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[quote=Frost;1373620]im ok with the Tunsil trade, however i do not understand the Javon Kinlaw signing.
Jonathan Allen would have cost us 16 mil vs Kinlaw who costs us 15 mil.. soo we're saving a mil for a player that's worse than Allen ?
I get it was time to move on from Allen but why the hell did we pay this below average dude so much?[/quote]

Looking at the guaranteed money handed out on day 1, Kinlaw near the top. I don’t understand it either. Seemed like a lot slotted for the position and him ranked among peers in the Dline.

Hope it works out, but there were other guys I woulda used that on DJ Reed, Joey Bosa, etc

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1373619]I like Tunsil, he makes the whole line better. Putting [B]Coleman and Tunsil on the left side[/B] with Cosmi and Wylie on the right will give JD5 that extra time to destroy the other team's scheme.

That said, our defense is taking hit after hxt and it wasn't good enough for that.

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100% agree. I hope they slide Coleman inside to Alegretti position. Down the stretch I thought inside, up the middle pressure was more of a problem than even the mediocre play of Wylie at tackle

I know folks..including myself…would welcome a replacement for Wylie, but Coleman best position imo is inside left guard.

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[quote=Frost;1373620]im ok with the Tunsil trade, however i do not understand the Javon Kinlaw signing.
Jonathan Allen would have cost us 16 mil vs Kinlaw who costs us 15 mil.. soo we're saving a mil for a player that's worse than Allen ?
I get it was time to move on from Allen but why the hell did we pay this below average dude so much?[/quote]

I agree here, and the market just proved your point that Allen is better, because he is now getting paid 20m vs Kinlaw's 15m.

We also had Allen under contract, in my eyes it was an unforced error. The only logical explanation I see us if Allen is irreperably injured only known by our staff and Kinlaw has been hindered by both his 49ers and Jets defensive coaching staff, or by his knee injuries that are secretly now bionic.

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[quote=skinsnut;1373632]I agree here, and the market just proved your point that Allen is better, because he is now getting paid 20m vs Kinlaw's 15m.

We also had Allen under contract, in my eyes it was an unforced error. The only logical explanation I see us if Allen is irreperably injured only known by our staff and Kinlaw has been hindered by both his 49ers and Jets defensive coaching staff, or by his knee injuries that are secretly now bionic.[/quote]

kinlaw is a head scratcher , even kiem on his podcast wasn't super positive and basically was like this is a wait and see

kinlaw is 27 vs allen's 30; trying to find positives

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[quote=htownskinfan;1373605]I absolutely hate the Tunsil deal.Living in Houston and being a Texans fan also I was so tired of seeing this guy kill drives with his false start penalties, couldnÂ’t wait for him to be gone, And then we trade for him!!? Wtf, Let me repeat, I absolutely freaking hate this deal, he is an absolute drive killer[/quote]

Looks to me like he really improved on it. In weeks 1-4 last year he was penalized 12 times for 65 yards. Then wasn't penalized at all weeks 5, 6, 7.

Week 8 thru 18 he had 7 penalties for 30 yards.

[url]https://www.nflpenalties.com/player/l-tunsil-houston-texans?year=2024[/url]

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They must have something up their sleeve to pair with Kinlaw, but the open market does not seem to have a DE worth it, and if it is Hendrickson, his run defense isn't great, maybe a secret trade partner for an edge setter? Even so, not sure where the sacks come from schematically, especially losing Chinn.

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I mean, i do like shoring up the oline, and even WR, but the reason we didnt get to the SB is defense and at this early point day 2 into Free agency, we are worse at a higher cost...waiting...

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[quote=Schneed10;1373636]Looks to me like he really improved on it. In weeks 1-4 last year he was penalized 12 times for 65 yards. Then wasn't penalized at all weeks 5, 6, 7.

Week 8 thru 18 he had 7 penalties for 30 yards.

[url]https://www.nflpenalties.com/player/l-tunsil-houston-texans?year=2024[/url][/quote]

Nice info!
It seems 17 of 19 penalties were unforced mental errors, mostly inexcusable false starts. Only 2 holding penalties all year, wow!

Didnt we have a star player in 60s underperform when the coach discovered he needed a hearing aid and then he went on to a hall if fame career?

This looks eerily familiar

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Will Harris signed at Safety , played for New Orleans last year and lined up at many different spots on D. Sounds like a depth signing? Not too familiar with Harris.

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[quote=skinsnut;1373637]They must have something up their sleeve to pair with Kinlaw, but the open market does not seem to have a DE worth it, and if it is Hendrickson, his run defense isn't great, maybe a secret trade partner for an edge setter? Even so, not sure where the sacks come from schematically, especially losing Chinn.[/quote]

It was on Reddit (?) but they said that DQ wants to run a defensive package where they have a "big end" and Kinlaw fits the bill. Was called something like the Hog package? If I can find the post, will link here, but it made more sense to me after reading about it.

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did i miss something ? because outside of tunsil very blah uninspiring

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[quote=Meks;1373640]Will Harris signed at Safety , played for New Orleans last year and lined up at many different spots on D. Sounds like a depth signing? Not too familiar with Harris.[/quote]

Check out this cool link of all grades, this one below average, Tunsil:elite
[url]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2025-nfl-free-agency-live-deal-grader-grading-and-tracking-every-transaction[/url]

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1373641]It was on Reddit (?) but they said that DQ wants to run a defensive package where they have a "big end" and Kinlaw fits the bill. Was called something like the Hog package? If I can find the post, will link here, but it made more sense to me after reading about it.[/quote]

Is this what you saw? [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/Commanders/comments/1j8hgt0/for_those_questioning_the_kinlaw_deal/[/url]

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[quote=GridIron26;1373647]Is this what you saw? [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/Commanders/comments/1j8hgt0/for_those_questioning_the_kinlaw_deal/[/url][/quote]

Interesting, thanks for posting

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;1373643]Check out this cool link of all grades, this one below average, Tunsil:elite

[url]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2025-nfl-free-agency-live-deal-grader-grading-and-tracking-every-transaction[/url][/QUOTE]not sure how they grade the trades, looking at all the safeties, Harris had one of the best pff scores and the contract value was not out of the range. In fact comparing Chinn and Harris, Chinn's pff grade is only slightly better but the Raiders paid twice as much.[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250311/d24dae5446f30ead0c480af9f5945eb4.jpg[/IMG]

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Not a big fan of the Kinlaw signing or the Tunsil trade but I fully recognize that Adam Peters is a hell of a lot smarter than me so I'll be optimistic.

Lots of needs and not a lot of picks. I'll be surprised if the first 2 picks aren't CB and DE.

Someone mention DeMarcus Lawrence. That would make me feel a lot better because we really need help at RB too. Robinson is average at best.

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[QUOTE=WCommandersfan99;1373602]Michael Gallup to visit:

[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/commanders/news/former-dallas-cowboys-star-wr-michael-gallup-with-dan-quinn-ties-visiting-washington-commanders[/url]

I could see him contributing but count me in the group that wanted to keep Dyami Brown. He is a good deep threat which played well for JD.[/QUOTE]


Dyami Brown was here for four years and had four touchdowns. He could have played another year and still not hit 1000 yards. He is a do nothing who had a couple nice postseason games where he still managed more fumbles than touchdowns. You will never hear his name again. Lol

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[QUOTE=MTK;1373610]For some perspective read through last year’s free agency thread, some real gems in there[/QUOTE]


Lol. Did this last night. Was thinking the exact same thing. Me and you guilty too. We both referred to ertz as a role player. Im not going to pass judgement this year in March. Especially not on a perennial pro bowler.

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[quote=punch it in;1373653]Lol. Did this last night. Was thinking the exact same thing. Me and you guilty too. We both referred to ertz as a role player. Im not going to pass judgement this year in March. Especially not on a perennial pro bowler.[/quote]

Oh I was totally off on Ertz. He had more in the tank than most of us thought.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1373654]Oh I was totally off on Ertz. He had more in the tank than most of us thought.[/QUOTE]


You only called him a role player. I called him a washed up bum over, and over again. Ha. Made me look like a fool and I love it.

Seriously though as i was reading through the comments about this years additions and subtractions I decided to look back. People absolutely bashing someone last offseason and begging them to be resigned this offseason. Goes to show you never can tell.

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[quote=punch it in;1373652]Dyami Brown was here for four years and had four touchdowns. He could have played another year and still not hit 1000 yards. He is a do nothing who had a couple nice postseason games where he still managed more fumbles than touchdowns. You will never hear his name again. Lol[/quote]I know he's not coming back. He didn't get enough opportunities through his career but still think the guy has talent. He was also instrumental in helping Commanders win 2 playoffs this year putting up nearly 100 yds in each. Glad you recognize that. Again, his strength is Jayden's strength (1 of many) which is the deep ball. Know he's not coming but rather he did. Honestly though Gallup would have already signed.

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[quote=MTK;1373654]Oh I was totally off on Ertz. He had more in the tank than most of us thought.[/quote]He was lethal over the middle. He always seemed to get open and make big plays. He had a better year than expected. Glad he's returning.

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Last year I think people were more excited about Armstrong than Fowler (and not over the moon about either) and Fowler played well for us. I trust AP to figure it out; he’s earned the benefit of the doubt.


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RB Jeremy McNichols is back on a one year deal

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[quote=MTK;1373666]RB Jeremy McNichols is back on a one year deal[/quote]

Makes sense, jack of all trades…run, catch and picks up the blitz

Still think they bring in someone from the draft. Super deep draft, hopefully a speed guy comes in…maybe someone who skill set is more Ekler than BRob

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I'm so ready to move on from B-Rob.

That big draft day Ron trade that everyone thought we killed at the time? Let's take another look:

Saints got Chris Olave

We got
Jahan Dotson
Brian Robinson Jr.
Sam Howell
Cole Turner

lol roasted

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last draft was a qb fest, this year it's RBs, all the way down. we'll draft one later (starters in round 4-5 potentially). kinlaw is weird for me too, but we'll see.

I imagine a CB and DE (And RT or G) are on the shopping list, as well as getting 1-2 low level WRs (but not handing out cracked 10m a year like jacksonville).

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[quote=njant;1373642]did i miss something ? because outside of tunsil very blah uninspiring[/quote]

You don't like the Samuels trade? That said one thing that is being missed is the Comp pick computation, we've lost 4FAs and signed 2FAs so far = comp picks.

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[url]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2025-nfl-free-agency-tracker-signings-trades-cuts[/url]

Nice tracker on who is left.

I could see us adding C/G depth, WR, CB and Edge.

I’m expecting MM to return as primary backup QB

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[quote=Chico23231;1373671][url]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2025-nfl-free-agency-tracker-signings-trades-cuts[/url]

Nice tracker on who is left.

I could see us adding C/G depth, WR, CB and Edge.

I’m expecting MM to return as primary backup QB[/quote]We absolutely must resign Mariota. Dude exceeded all expectations. Will never forget how incredible he was winning the game at Dallas.

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[quote=Chico23231;1373671][url]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2025-nfl-free-agency-tracker-signings-trades-cuts[/url]

Nice tracker on who is left.

I could see us adding C/G depth, WR, CB and Edge.

I’m expecting MM to return as primary backup QB[/quote]

Kind of jarring to see Kinlaw's contract compared to the guys around him on that list. Not that that list is gospel.

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[quote=simbosargos75;1373650]Not a big fan of the Kinlaw signing or [B]the Tunsil trade [/B]but I fully recognize that Adam Peters is a hell of a lot smarter than me so I'll be optimistic.

Lots of needs and not a lot of picks. I'll be surprised if the first 2 picks aren't CB and DE.

Someone mention DeMarcus Lawrence. That would make me feel a lot better because we really need help at RB too. Robinson is average at best.[/quote]

What?

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[quote=MTK;1373654]Oh I was totally off on Ertz. He had more in the tank than most of us thought.[/quote]

Count me in there too. He proved a lot of us wrong. However, just playing the law of averages, going back to the well w/ old guys like Ertz and Wagner probably will not work as well as it did last year. Really want to see more of Sinott and perhaps a MLB that is out first or 2rd rounder.

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I know this sounds absurd, but our greatest need is to stop the run, Calais Campbell is 38 and is available, he's still actually a beast against the run. A low cost 1 year beast could help as there is nothing else available, and too few draft picks to trade.

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[quote=skinsnut;1373676]I know this sounds absurd, but our greatest need is to stop the run, Calais Campbell is 38 and is available, he's still actually a beast against the run. A low cost 1 year beast could help as there is nothing else available, and too few draft picks to trade.[/quote]

I've always loved CC's game, I'd definitely be on board with him

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listening to talk radio

someone made an analogy that Free Agency is like a garage sale; every house puts its junk out for sale its other peoples job to find the treasures in the junk; and there is overpriced junk for sure

its better to miss a on a big deal then be stuck for years with a bad deal

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And this year wasn't a great garage sale to begin with.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1373668]I'm so ready to move on from B-Rob.



That big draft day Ron trade that everyone thought we killed at the time? Let's take another look:



Saints got Chris Olave



We got

Jahan Dotson

Brian Robinson Jr.

Sam Howell

Cole Turner



lol roasted[/QUOTE]damn

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Mariota is back on a 1 year deal

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[QUOTE=Frost;1373686]Mariota is back on a 1 year deal[/QUOTE]


That’s big. Worth one extra win I’ll predict.


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