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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]It's right on page 2 of this thread

[url="http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=108196&postcount=14"]http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=108196&postcount=14[/url][/QUOTE]

oh back there, thanks i see it now. a whole lot of unneccessary stuff continued after that, it should've ended right about there.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]i don't see this SUNRA post anywhere on this thread. Moderators did you do something?[/QUOTE]

post #14... sorry for posting late ;)

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brunell got sacked 5 times, can you imagine how many times ramsey would have been sacked. also that long run on 3rd down ?, ramsey would have never made it.again , i like ramsey but he's got a ways to go in his decision making to be all he can become.
brunell tends to be short and raqmsey tends to be long and short on his passes.brunell was the right choise for this game

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WORD TO LIVE BY!!!!!!


[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]I just got home from a trip - - had to watch the game in a hotel bar last night. I fully expected to see at least three or four threads in here full of apologies from people who had accused Joe Gibbs of being a lying weasel and a backstabbing ne'er-do-well, but I can't seem to find them. OK, you may still not like the way he handled the situation, but he got it right.

Maybe it's my browser that can't find the threads here that would try to explain that Patrick Ramsey would not have made that 25 yard scramble in the 4th quarter because had he started then, he'd still be running to make it to the full 25 yards.

So, let me say it explicitly:


Joe Gibbs made a QB decision and it was the CORRECT one.

Joe Gibbs is not infallible but he appears to know just a tad more about QBs than the "Patrick Ramsey Fan Cub" officers.


Now let me make a prediction that will make me no friends among the Patrick Ramsey Fan Club officers and members:


Unless Brunell is incapable of playing, Patrick Ramsey will not take another meaningful snap all of this year.

Next year, Ramsey's status with the team will be determined exclusively by two things:


1. The economics of his contract.

2. The development of Jason Campbell. If Campbell is ready to be the #2 QB next year, Ramsey's contract is a bit expensive for a #3 QB


Absent injury to Mark Brunell, Patrick Ramsey's next start in a meaningful regular season NFL game will be in a different uniform.[/QUOTE]

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First of all I want to say that was the most amazing win I have ever seen. I know I raised a lot of hell about the QB switch, when it was made, but for 50+ odd minutes Brunell was not doing something. I will say this that Brunell is a lot better QB than he was a year ago. I think Gibbs finally opened up the playcalling in desperation and looks like he found something. Brunell and Gibbs proved me wrong and I hope they keep on proving me wrong this entire season.
On another note I have liked Ramsey from the begining and I still do. I really do believe that he will make a fine QB in NFL, but he has to be given oppurtunities and shown some patience. Ramsey does not have near the number of starts that every other QB from his class does. It's difficult fo any QB to be yanked around like that and still expect his to perform at a high level, without playing to his strenghts. Ramsey has a very good arm, but when did we see playcalling this season or last season that took advantage of that arm.
Anywayz I will stop now and savour this win. I am really enjoying it hear in Texas. Every morning I get up to hear these CowTurds complain about how we got just lucky. They are finally experiecing what we have been for the past 2 seasons..
HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!!!

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]I just got home from a trip - - had to watch the game in a hotel bar last night. I fully expected to see at least three or four threads in here full of apologies from people who had accused Joe Gibbs of being a lying weasel and a backstabbing ne'er-do-well, but I can't seem to find them. OK, you may still not like the way he handled the situation, but he got it right.

Maybe it's my browser that can't find the threads here that would try to explain that Patrick Ramsey would not have made that 25 yard scramble in the 4th quarter because had he started then, he'd still be running to make it to the full 25 yards.

So, let me say it explicitly:


Joe Gibbs made a QB decision and it was the CORRECT one.

Joe Gibbs is not infallible but he appears to know just a tad more about QBs than the "Patrick Ramsey Fan Cub" officers.


Now let me make a prediction that will make me no friends among the Patrick Ramsey Fan Club officers and members:


Unless Brunell is incapable of playing, Patrick Ramsey will not take another meaningful snap all of this year.

Next year, Ramsey's status with the team will be determined exclusively by two things:


1. The economics of his contract.

2. The development of Jason Campbell. If Campbell is ready to be the #2 QB next year, Ramsey's contract is a bit expensive for a #3 QB


Absent injury to Mark Brunell, Patrick Ramsey's next start in a meaningful regular season NFL game will be in a different uniform.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Daseal]I'm sorry SC -- I can't excuse 3 1/4 of just horrible QBing with 3/4 of one. I feel Ramsey would have done better throughout the game and given us a win that wouldn't have stopped my heart three times! Brunell still doesnt have me sold till he can perform anywhere near the level of the 4th quarter more than once. We have 3 unproven QBs as far as Im concerned.[/QUOTE]


I agree completely with the above but Ramsey giving us a win....I don't buy it.

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No apology needed. The lack of offense for 3 quarters was a result of poor pass coverage ala Rabach & Dockery. Both were burnt several times on pure power rushing by the nose & end tackles.

Brunell never had a solid chance half the time to just sit & read the coverage, so maybe some of my fellow warpathers need to go back & watch the film & see how our coverage failed Brunell most of the game.

Portis's inability to get big plays only depleted our chances to pass the ball effectively. Think, the running game is not making it past the line or the LB's, so the S & FS can just sit on their heels & play 2 deep.


However, Parcells screwed himself into thinking the game was over in the 3rd Q & started backup RB's & conservative play calling. Just think how ridiculous that is, your up by only 2 TD's & think the game is over, so why not give your RB the rest of the evening off. DOH..!!!!

This wasn't won or lose by the QB position, it was through good play calling by Gibbs.

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]I thought we lived in America ...cause we disagree with the QB we arent fans??? I personally thought brunell sucked for most of the game he looked old. But he did make 2 great passes congrats to him... But i think Patrick would have thrown the ball downfield more....It's just years of frustration...I wouldn't be so quick to say I told you so just yet... Patrick will be back in there cause brunell will go down at some point... But fans can be critical of the team and the coach.... hey this is america..... Hail[/QUOTE]


I haven't seen any welcoming commitee for railcon, after 9 pages of non-appologies.

Welcome railcon! Hope to see you more often.

I'm not appologizing. I predicted a win by the B&G, and don't care whether it's PRam, M.Brunnell, J.Campbell or my favorite: Sonny!

I am extremely happy that we finally beat the cow manatees in their toilet bowl in the "Ring of Honor" game, a ring that we were able to steal!

I pray the bickering will tone down, and we can all support our favorite B&G, especially after we got win #2!

:dallas: :dallas:

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[QUOTE=canthetuna]Goddamnit. I thought I would enjoy coming on the warpath and discussing the games this year. All of this shit is really getting to me. I'm all for discussion and expression... but all this "you're not a real fan" and "wheres my apology" is total bullshit. I LOVE this team and I LOVE this site, but if I want to get ignorant shit talked to me I'll go join a dallas site. I'll never apologize for having an opinion whether its right or wrong and if you're looking for it you can suck it out of my white hairy ass.[/QUOTE]

Ditto :thumb:

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I don't want anyone apologizing for anything unless they offend someone. People should be aloud to say whatever they want and be disagreed with. If I tell someone I think they are wrong it shouldn't matter.

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[QUOTE=ChounsMan]No apology needed. The lack of offense for 3 quarters was a result of poor pass coverage ala Rabach & Dockery. Both were burnt several times on pure power rushing by the nose & end tackles.

Brunell never had a solid chance half the time to just sit & read the coverage, so maybe some of my fellow warpathers need to go back & watch the film & see how our coverage failed Brunell most of the game.

Portis's inability to get big plays only depleted our chances to pass the ball effectively. Think, the running game is not making it past the line or the LB's, so the S & FS can just sit on their heels & play 2 deep.


However, Parcells screwed himself into thinking the game was over in the 3rd Q & started backup RB's & conservative play calling. Just think how ridiculous that is, your up by only 2 TD's & think the game is over, so why not give your RB the rest of the evening off. DOH..!!!!

This wasn't won or lose by the QB position, it was through good play calling by Gibbs.[/QUOTE]

replace the word coverage with 'protection' and you may have something there. bad OLine play would effect Portis just as much though, and i doubt Dockery has much experience versus a Parcells 3-4.

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Although I originally thought after game 1 that Ramsey would continue to start (and I would've supported him) I actually took Gibbs' side on the issue since I trusted him more than either QB. By the second quarter against the Cowboys, I was actually starting to wonder if Gibbs was being too stubborn and just gratifying his own pride. I can't say I've doubted him like that before, but Brunell was playing horribly, looking an awful lot like the guy we saw last season. I was also pissed that we didn't throw more downfield passes, something I kept mentioning to my friends. In the end, I'm glad we won and I'm confident that Gibbs will look at the game tapes and open up the offense a little more. It's also nice to know that Brunell does still have an arm. For the time being, we have NO quarterback controversy.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]I'm sorry SC -- I can't excuse 3 1/4 of just horrible QBing with 3/4 of one. I feel Ramsey would have done better throughout the game and given us a win that wouldn't have stopped my heart three times! Brunell still doesnt have me sold till he can perform anywhere near the level of the 4th quarter more than once. We have 3 unproven QBs as far as Im concerned.[/QUOTE]

??????? What??? "Ramsey would have done better"....let's be realistic. One of the biggest, if not THE biggest plays of the game was Brunnell's run to make the 3rd and 27, a 4th and 2 play...Ramsey's scary ass would have thrown a INT or been sacked!

I COMPLETELY disagree!

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[QUOTE=ladyfan06]??????? What??? "Ramsey would have done better"....let's be realistic. One of the biggest, if not THE biggest plays of the game was Brunnell's run to make the 3rd and 27, a 4th and 2 play...Ramsey's scary ass would have thrown a INT or been sacked!

I COMPLETELY disagree![/QUOTE]

while that's probably true in that situation, i think the general feeling among the people who remember Ramsey from last season is that we would have had more points (as in *some*) by the fourth quarter and wouldn't be in that position.

while i'm glad he can still scramble to avoid sacks, we shouldn't be relying on the legs of a 35 yr old QB for actual yards anyway.

but it's all academic at this point isn't it.

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All right time to repeat myself, I am going to be a hypocrite, for before I was a Brunell & Gibbs basher, and an admited, "Ramsey Apologist" but having seen the Miracle in Big-D, I see error of my ways. The guys who wear the burgundy and gold jersey are OUR guys. So let us stop the bashing of the burgundy and gold and of each other, as someone pointed out we are begining to sound like Eagles fans.

We need to be there for the burgundy and gold. For Ramsey we need to root for him, that learns everything he can from this coaching staff so that if his number is called as the back-up he is ready. We need to hope that someone from the coaching staff was watching film of the Clevland - Greenbay game and noted how Trent Dilfer was moving around and rolling out of the pocket. Trent is not exactly the second coming of Steve Young and suggest that Ramsey work on such things when he is not running the scout team. That my fellow burgundy and gold brothers is what we need to do.


-D

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no one can really say what ramsey could or couldn't have done for sure, because he didn't play the game. brunell was awful, but he flipped some switch and hopefully he continues. As long as we win or don't have 56minutes of crap play every game, i can live just fine with him as our QB.

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Anyone who wants to put there faith in Brunells miracle 4 minutes can, good luck if you think that will happen again, the real Brunell showed up for 56 minutes, and couldn't have recieved more luck in the final 4 minutes if he paid off the defense himself.

NOOOOOOOOO, no way Ramsey could have done that, I seem to remember a game 3 years ago when he lead us back against Philli when he hit McCants on about a 40 yard strike down the middle for a TD late in the final minute. I also remember him coming in the Giant game last year and moving the ball up and down the field when Brunell did nothing but give up a defensive TD. Then Ramsey recieved a start against those very Giants and kicked their A**'s up and down the field, but it's just fine to kill anyone who believes Ramsey would have put up points and wouldn't have been in a position where he didn't need a miracle 4 minutes.

Bottom line Ramsey will score points, he proved it last year when Brunell failed, and for all those who think that monday night is how football games are won? Think again, lets see how pleased you are with that type of play when we are around game 12 and our defense is burnt out because they spent the first 11 game's on the field the majority of the time.

It's funny we haven't heard anything about Brunell's INT, and his fumble as well, I thought Gibbs main objective was to hang on to the ball, Brunell 10 starts, Brunell 10 turnovers.

Brunell didn't win this game with a methotical drive carving up a defense ala Montana, he threw the ball up in desperation because he couldn't move the ball with anything remotly resembling consistancy. I don't even lay all the blame on Brunell either, I lay it on Gibbs simplistic, conservative, offensive approach, which Ramsey has had not only to fight through, but had to fight a stacked deck as well in Gibbs desire to play Brunell.

Watching Gibbs press confrence I had what wouldn't be a strong feeling but a possible hint that he may be coming to the conclusion that other than the last 4 minutes in which he knows he was very lucky to win, Brunell was horrible, I really didn't hear him praising Brunell as in the past, after all we overcame a mountain in the final 4 minutes to avoid being shutout.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Anyone who wants to put there faith in Brunells miracle 4 minutes can, good luck if you think that will happen again, the real Brunell showed up for 56 minutes, and couldn't have recieved more luck in the final 4 minutes if he paid off the defense himself.

NOOOOOOOOO, no way Ramsey could have done that, I seem to remember a game 3 years ago when he lead us back against Philli when he hit McCants on about a 40 yard strike down the middle for a TD late in the final minute. I also remember him coming in the Giant game last year and moving the ball up and down the field when Brunell did nothing but give up a defensive TD. Then Ramsey recieved a start against those very Giants and kicked their A**'s up and down the field, but it's just fine to kill anyone who believes Ramsey would have put up points and wouldn't have been in a position where he didn't need a miracle 4 minutes.

Bottom line Ramsey will score points, he proved it last year when Brunell failed, and for all those who think that monday night is how football games are won? Think again, lets see how pleased you are with that type of play when we are around game 12 and our defense is burnt out because they spent the first 11 game's on the field the majority of the time.

It's funny we haven't heard anything about Brunell's INT, and his fumble as well, I thought Gibbs main objective was to hang on to the ball, Brunell 10 starts, Brunell 10 turnovers.

Brunell didn't win this game with a methotical drive carving up a defense ala Montana, he threw the ball up in desperation because he couldn't move the ball with anything remotly resembling consistancy. I don't even lay all the blame on Brunell either, I lay it on Gibbs simplistic, conservative, offensive approach, which Ramsey has had not only to fight through, but had to fight a stacked deck as well in Gibbs desire to play Brunell.

Watching Gibbs press confrence I had what wouldn't be a strong feeling but a possible hint that he may be coming to the conclusion that other than the last 4 minutes in which he knows he was very lucky to win, Brunell was horrible, I really didn't hear him praising Brunell as in the past, after all we overcame a mountain in the final 4 minutes to avoid being shutout.[/QUOTE]


I agree with alot of what you are saying I mean Ramsey came up with some big plays but Brunell's passes were pretty much perfectly thrown balls, on a route. Not a hail mary where evryone's in the end zone waving their hands. I also think both of these guys are so inconsistent that you can't say Ramsey would have definitely done better. I feel you man but I think for whatever this win is worth Ramsey won't start again barring injury.

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When did Brunell fumble?

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offiss - I hear ya...but enough of the negativity, at least for this week. Let us not bash. Let us hope that the real Brunell was the QB we saw leading the miracle, and making the 25 yard scamper on 3 and a mile, and then unleashing lightening on the Cowbumz.

Brunell is 35 the odds are not very good of him making it through the whole season unscathed. I am sure the six sacks, and horseshit horse collar from Roy Williams did not help either. So much for the Roy Williams rule, but I digress.

Ramsey will probably get back into a game, channel your faith and belief in him into hoping that when he gets his next opportunity he becomes the next Tom Brady. Not saying it is going to happen but have some faith, not just in Ramsey but the Burgundy and Gold.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Anyone who wants to put there faith in Brunells miracle 4 minutes can, good luck if you think that will happen again, the real Brunell showed up for 56 minutes, and couldn't have recieved more luck in the final 4 minutes if he paid off the defense himself.

NOOOOOOOOO, no way Ramsey could have done that, I seem to remember a game 3 years ago when he lead us back against Philli when he hit McCants on about a 40 yard strike down the middle for a TD late in the final minute. I also remember him coming in the Giant game last year and moving the ball up and down the field when Brunell did nothing but give up a defensive TD. Then Ramsey recieved a start against those very Giants and kicked their A**'s up and down the field, but it's just fine to kill anyone who believes Ramsey would have put up points and wouldn't have been in a position where he didn't need a miracle 4 minutes.

Bottom line Ramsey will score points, he proved it last year when Brunell failed, and for all those who think that monday night is how football games are won? Think again, lets see how pleased you are with that type of play when we are around game 12 and our defense is burnt out because they spent the first 11 game's on the field the majority of the time.

It's funny we haven't heard anything about Brunell's INT, and his fumble as well, I thought Gibbs main objective was to hang on to the ball, Brunell 10 starts, Brunell 10 turnovers.

Brunell didn't win this game with a methotical drive carving up a defense ala Montana, he threw the ball up in desperation because he couldn't move the ball with anything remotly resembling consistancy. I don't even lay all the blame on Brunell either, I lay it on Gibbs simplistic, conservative, offensive approach, which Ramsey has had not only to fight through, but had to fight a stacked deck as well in Gibbs desire to play Brunell.

Watching Gibbs press confrence I had what wouldn't be a strong feeling but a possible hint that he may be coming to the conclusion that other than the last 4 minutes in which he knows he was very lucky to win, Brunell was horrible, I really didn't hear him praising Brunell as in the past, after all we overcame a mountain in the final 4 minutes to avoid being shutout.[/QUOTE]

I usually disagree with a lot of your posts offiss, but you make some good poitns in this arguement. I think we can all agree that they both have flaws and its all about Risk vs. reward when dealing with Brunnell and Ramsey...

Hopefully this discussion ends more and more as Mr. Campbell continues to learn to be better than both

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Well just to be clear, I think Brunell did at least earn a shot with the win. I agree he did look like hell for most of the game with the blindside sacks and fumble and int, but he did make 2 huge plays in a clutch situation, which is something we havent seen around here in a while. Do I still wish Ramsey was the starter... yup, I wish he would've never been benched after the first 20something mins. Who knows, he could've played comeback there too and thrown for some bombs. We'll never know because he never got the shot. I do remember seeing him throw a few bombs in 2003 to Coles, Gardner and McCants, but that was the past and right now Marks in there and we're gonna see where he takes us. I'm just gonna be pissed if he gets another long (losing)leash like last year (although I'm still not gonna demand apologies from the brunell guys)

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[QUOTE=DirtBagZ]All right time to repeat myself, I am going to be a hypocrite, for before I was a Brunell & Gibbs basher, and an admited, "Ramsey Apologist" but having seen the Miracle in Big-D, I see error of my ways.[/QUOTE]

you shouldn't feel the need to apologize for your views 'Bagz, especially when the stats backed you up in every category. Monday night was great, but it didn't change the facts as Offiss so clearly pointed out. that said, we should rally behind whoever is leading our offense, there's enough uncertainty there already.

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[QUOTE=ladyfan06]??????? What??? "Ramsey would have done better"....let's be realistic. One of the biggest, if not THE biggest plays of the game was Brunnell's run to make the 3rd and 27, a 4th and 2 play...Ramsey's scary ass would have thrown a INT or been sacked!

I COMPLETELY disagree![/QUOTE]


I Remember A Monday Night game When Ramsey Ran Around the Left End For About 30 yards to win that game for US..... How quickly we forget.... what was that game? Plus Patrick would have never had us in that desperate situation...and Portis would have run for 150 yards cause the defense would have had to play back... 1 half is not a fair chance... but brunell will go down and soon he's very fragile and we all know how tought Ramsey is ...so he will get his chance... Plus Ramsey wouldn't have slid short of the 1st down like brunell did ..he would have ran somebody over...

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]I Remember A Monday Night game When Ramsey Ran Around the Left End For About 30 yards to win that game for US..... How quickly we forget.... what was that game? Plus Patrick would have never had us in that desperate situation...and Portis would have run for 150 yards cause the defense would have had to play back... 1 half is not a fair chance... but brunell will go down and soon he's very fragile and we all know how tought Ramsey is ...so he will get his chance... Plus Ramsey wouldn't have slid short of the 1st down like brunell did ..he would have ran somebody over...[/QUOTE]

If Ramsey would've run them over why not move him to running back if he's that good? There's no way of telling what Ramsey would've done. Brunell did what he did, and he won, lets leave it at that.

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[QUOTE=Redskins88]There's no way of telling what Ramsey would've done. Brunell did what he did, and he won, lets leave it at that.[/QUOTE]

I agree....besides we all know that had it been Jason Campbell, he would have direct snapped to himself, moonwalked 70 yards untouched into the endzone, then kicked the extra point off the wrong foot. :thumb:

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]I Remember A Monday Night game When Ramsey Ran Around the Left End For About 30 yards to win that game for US..... How quickly we forget.... what was that game? Plus Patrick would have never had us in that desperate situation...and Portis would have run for 150 yards cause the defense would have had to play back... 1 half is not a fair chance... but brunell will go down and soon he's very fragile and we all know how tought Ramsey is ...so he will get his chance... Plus Ramsey wouldn't have slid short of the 1st down like brunell did ..he would have ran somebody over...[/QUOTE]


I like it!

I was going to raise that very game myself but as you can see it's kind of a moot point by now, but the game you are refering to was the opener against the Jets under Spurrier, Ramsey had a big 3rd down conversion run to the left and was pulling away from LB Sam Coward, and at the time many of us were saying although he's not a scrambler persay he does have enough speed to be adequete when the situation presents itself, he's not Brunell in his prime, but he can make a play with his legs, but because he would rather sit in the pocket and make a play throwing, rather than taking off at the first hint of pressure, he get's labled as an immobile QB, he will never be vick, but he has enough to be effecient.

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Ramsey would have run over someone??

C'mon now, this weird fascination with Ramsey has got to stop!

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This debate is getting real old.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]This debate is getting real old.[/QUOTE]

Especially when these fish stories are developing about Ramsey, all of a sudden he's the next Diesel running people over. Puh-leaze.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Especially when these fish stories are developing about Ramsey, all of a sudden he's the next Diesel running people over. Puh-leaze.[/QUOTE]

I don't think Brunell or Ramsey are stellar guys. We need to keep our praise/criticism of each quarterback on a rational level. I'm hearing way too much black/white right/wrong talk.....not exactly the most nuanced and sophisticated analysis.

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I'd much rather have a nudist sapphic analysis.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Ramsey would have run over someone??

C'mon now, this weird fascination with Ramsey has got to stop![/QUOTE]

Why is it a weird fascination??? I just think he got a raw deal 1 half and out...brunell had all season and he sucked...like monday..there is no weird fascination...and btw he has handled this with class....he hasn't said anything ...but he will get his shot...cause brunells will need a new WALKER soon... LMAO

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[QUOTE=canthetuna]I'd much rather have a nudist sapphic analysis.[/QUOTE]

I think I would develop a weird fascination with that. :lol:

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Ramsey woulda thrown 3 INTS. Never woulda been close and never woulda hit even 1 of those 3 incredible passes to Moss. Ramsey doesn't have good judgement in a pinch and doesn't have great accuracy like Brunell can. I'm not saying Ramsey will never play again and I'm not saying Brunell is an instant probowler. Gibbs made the right decision and it got us a win. Our second win in 2 games. Sure we count on our defense, but Brunell isn't in there in the last 4 minutes we're just another pushover 'homecoming' team for the induction of the triplets. Brunell is kinda like my 85 Silverado; still got some gas in the tank and can impress better than some fuel injected crap.

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again, NO ONE knows for sure what ramsey would or would not have done because he didn't actually play the game.

we won, brunell pulled it out, let's see how the seahawk's game goes.

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]Why is it a weird fascination??? I just think he got a raw deal 1 half and out...brunell had all season and he sucked...like monday..there is no weird fascination...and btw he has handled this with class....he hasn't said anything ...but he will get his shot...cause brunells will need a new WALKER soon... LMAO[/QUOTE]

I'm talking about the running someone over part, sorry I just think that's hilarious.

Next thing you know we'll be saying Ramsey landed that plane at LAX last night.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I'm talking about the running someone over part, sorry I just think that's hilarious.

Next thing you know we'll be saying Ramsey landed that plane at LAX last night.[/QUOTE]

all that statement meant was that he has had the crucial 30yd scrambles to win games before (i swear you guys forget faster than Eagles fans) only he would have risked his body (as he does too often) instead of sliding 2yds short of the first down.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]This debate is getting real old.[/QUOTE]


It's already went way past the point of getting old! :frusty: