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[QUOTE=44deisel44]:Smoker: NO WAY!!!!! That play did away with the time out of turn of possesion! Great call Gibbs:goodjob: Come on TAFKAS with that loaded question....:spank:[/QUOTE]
tick tock,anotherfumble recovery by dockery.......hell yes that was a good call to run by gibbs........wish i could have a couple of those blitz packages back on defense though:insane:

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]And still there's ONE question no one knows the answer to...

3[/QUOTE]

ahhhhhhhh good old question 3

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The Bucs were playing the run due to the situation. Therefore Coach Gibbs should have called a pass play IMHO. But maybe there is a reason he is a pro coach and im only a high school coach.

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Wouldn't you know it, that Family Guy-Cookie Monster episode is on Cartoon Network right now...

Remember, whether you think you can or whether you think you can't....you're right!

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Rick Moranis's only funny movie: Strange Brew. Every other movie he's in, he's a secondary character, and doesn't provide much of the comedy.

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Rick Moranis has moved on to better [URL=http://www.rickmoranis.com/]things[/URL]

Gmanc, maybe you can lay some of these tracks on your next highlights video!

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[QUOTE=BDBohnzie]Rick Moranis's only funny movie: Strange Brew. Every other movie he's in, he's a secondary character, and doesn't provide much of the comedy.[/QUOTE]

Strange Brew!

What a classic, eh?

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]:insane:

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that is one of my favorite jokes from the entire collection of Family Guy. I love the part of Stewie talking to Grover, but I especially love it when he's in the john with the cookie dough, "Go Away!!"
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[QUOTE=BDBohnzie]Rick Moranis's only funny movie: Strange Brew. Every other movie he's in, he's a secondary character, and doesn't provide much of the comedy.[/QUOTE]

I personally think his funniest movie/best movie was the remake of Little Shop of Horrors.

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[QUOTE=skins052bgr8]I don't disagree with keeping the ball on the ground, but do something creative not straight up the middle three times in a row, we did the exact same thing last week three straight up the middle and turned the ball back over to the eagles and they drove right down the field fortunately we got a play from our D at the goal line. We had been driving the ball all game by mixing it up why do the exact same play with the box stacked. If we can see the same run in previous games don't you think other coaches see the tendancies every game in that situation dive in the middle of the pile with no success. I don't care that we ran on them all game, we do the same thing over and over again when we need to run the clock out, how can anyone say it is the right call when we have not been unsuccessful with running out the clock and converting in nearly everygame this year. Tell me when the last time you saw someone even if they new it was coming stop Cooley or Sellers in the flat for a score or a first down. Where was the stretch play let Portis pick his gap.[/QUOTE]
manyou are exactly right,how can anyone say it was a good call when we lost the game? if we do the rollout you either run for it,make a safe pass,or take the sack,brunells been making great descisions all yr so he's probably not going to make a mistake,we made a lot of mistakes during the game but if you make that first down the game is over,so how anybody can say that was the right call when it didnt work and it cost us the game just boggles my mind

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan]manyou are exactly right,how can anyone say it was a good call when we lost the game? if we do the rollout you either run for it,make a safe pass,or take the sack,brunells been making great descisions all yr so he's probably not going to make a mistake,we made a lot of mistakes during the game but if you make that first down the game is over,so how anybody can say that was the right call when it didnt work and it cost us the game just boggles my mind[/QUOTE]

I don't understand that logic. Because it didn't work doesn't make it the wrong call. If we were down by one with five seconds left, 4th down, John Hall comes out for the game-winning 25 yard field goal and the kick is blocked....does that make it the wrong call?

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I don't understand that logic. Because it didn't work doesn't make it the wrong call. If we were down by one with five seconds left, 4th down, John Hall comes out for the game-winning 25 yard field goal and the kick is blocked....does that make it the wrong call?[/QUOTE]

Not only that, but when you're averaging 5.6 yds a carry ALL game, its the most logical thing to do. Run it!!! Especially if you're trying to burn the clock.

I really don't understand why we needed to pass in that situation. If anything, Gibbs ran it because if he wouldn't have made it....he had his defense to stop them. But that didn't happen either.

Can't blame a loss on one freaking play man.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]Can't blame a loss on one freaking play man.[/QUOTE]

u can if u pull a mcnabb :biggthump :hitfan:

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I can't beleive this thread is still going!!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]u can if u pull a mcnabb :biggthump :hitfan:[/QUOTE]

True.... :lol:

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I don't understand that logic. Because it didn't work doesn't make it the wrong call. If we were down by one with five seconds left, 4th down, John Hall comes out for the game-winning 25 yard field goal and the kick is blocked....does that make it the wrong call?[/QUOTE]


Htown is right, and here's why, we are lousey at running the ball on short yardage plays, we have been since Gibbs took over, when a defense is prepaired for short yardage against us they almost alway's stop us, that is why you go to some kind of a roleout option, if they stop us then they stop us on a play we are very strong and successful at running, like our 4th and 2 rollout pass to Cooley earlier in the game, the fact that we went to our weekest offensive play in the most crucial part of the game makes it the wrong call, if we were a team that consistantly grinds out the tough yards running than it's a good call, but we are not so it's not a good call in that situation, we mixed the pass and the run all game, but in crunch time we go away from what made us successeful and go with the weekest part of our game, a short yardage run. I knew it was going to happen before he ran it, I was hoping he would surprise me, but he didn't surprise me, or the Eagles.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I don't understand that logic. Because it didn't work doesn't make it the wrong call. If we were down by one with five seconds left, 4th down, John Hall comes out for the game-winning 25 yard field goal and the kick is blocked....does that make it the wrong call?[/QUOTE]
now your being redicilous,2 totally different situations,they dont apply to each other at all,of course you kick the fg,I dont understand your logic?
we did a lot of things wrong in this game so i dont know if you can pin the loss on just 1 play,but the topic of this thread is did gibbs make the right call on that play,since the play failed miserably and we lost the game because of it,I would have to say it was the wrong call,hindsight is always 20-20,but before that play was ran i was praying dont run it,dont run it,{just dont do the straight handoff}and if we would have tried another play besides running and it failed,I wouldnt have been happy about it becuse I want the play to succeed,but i would have been satisfied by the call not being predictable,if gibbs or musgrave calls just about any other play besides the straight handoff on that play and it would have failed and this same question is posted,I would say it was the right call,as others have noted,we did the same thing against the eagles,didnt work,but mcnabb bailed us out,this time we werent so lucky

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan]now your being redicilous,2 totally different situations,they dont apply to each other at all,of course you kick the fg,I dont understand your logic?
we did a lot of things wrong in this game so i dont know if you can pin the loss on just 1 play,but the topic of this thread is did gibbs make the right call on that play,since the play failed miserably and we lost the game because of it,I would have to say it was the wrong call,hindsight is always 20-20,but before that play was ran i was praying dont run it,dont run it,{just dont do the straight handoff}and if we would have tried another play besides running and it failed,I wouldnt have been happy about it becuse I want the play to succeed,but i would have been satisfied by the call not being predictable,if gibbs or musgrave calls just about any other play besides the straight handoff on that play and it would have failed and this same question is posted,I would say it was the right call,as others have noted,we did the same thing against the eagles,didnt work,but mcnabb bailed us out,this time we werent so lucky[/QUOTE]
But your whole point was "How can any1 say it was the right call when it didnt work"........:insane:

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I can't believe it's Wednesday, and people are still whinning about this stupid 3rd and 2 call. It was the right call, case closed. Let me put it in perspective. Which would you rather do. Force your offense to go up against the # 1 defense in the league? Or allow your defense, which happens to be one of the better defenses in the league, go up against a young inexperienced quarterback? Honestly, if you're a coach in that situation, it's a no-brainer call. You run on 3 and 2. This isn't playstation or Xbox.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]This isn't playstation or Xbox.[/QUOTE]

But that's where all the GREAT coaches come from!!!

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woooooops not 100, o well 101!!!!

i would have liked gibbs to throw it like he did to cooley on that 4th down play, it worked like a charm.

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]woooooops not 100, o well 101!!!!

i would have liked gibbs to throw it like he did to cooley on that 4th down play, it worked like a charm.[/QUOTE]

But if I were a coach for Tampa....I would've made sure we were ready for it. Just like how Lavar tried to come over the pile to stop Alstott, cause Alstott had been going over the pile all game.

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[QUOTE=Redskins88]But that's where all the GREAT coaches come from!!![/QUOTE]


LOL....sounds like it!

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[QUOTE=Redskins88]But if I were a coach for Tampa....I would've made sure we were ready for it. Just like how Lavar tried to come over the pile to stop Alstott, cause Alstott had been going over the pile all game.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but Gruden called Alstott's number three times, and all three times it worked.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]Yeah, but Gruden called Alstott's number three times, and all three times it worked.[/QUOTE]

True...granted, we should've been able to run for two yards. If I remember, Portis had run for like 6 on the first down and then we just couldn't move much. But it is hard to stop anyone when you're within the five.

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[QUOTE=Redskins88]But if I were a coach for Tampa....I would've made sure we were ready for it. Just like how Lavar tried to come over the pile to stop Alstott, cause Alstott had been going over the pile all game.[/QUOTE]
yeah but they seemed to go straight after portis like they knew we were giving it to portis.

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]yeah but they seemed to go straight after portis like they knew we were giving it to portis.[/QUOTE]

If I remember....I think Portis was the only one back there so I would imagine that they figured it was a run, and since portis was back there, they probably figured it'd go to him. Now our o-line should've been able to put up a little bit of push to give portis a run....either way, I think Gibbs made the right call.

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:bdh: :bdh: :bdh: :bdh: :bdh: :bdh: :bdh: :bdh: :bdh: :bdh:

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]I can't believe it's Wednesday, and people are still whinning about this stupid 3rd and 2 call. It was the right call, case closed. Let me put it in perspective. Which would you rather do. Force your offense to go up against the # 1 defense in the league? Or allow your defense, which happens to be one of the better defenses in the league, go up against a young inexperienced quarterback? Honestly, if you're a coach in that situation, it's a no-brainer call. You run on 3 and 2. This isn't playstation or Xbox.[/QUOTE]


Your kidding right?

How can anyone say giving an offensive opportunity to the opposing team is the right move?

Did you watch the game?

Did you see at that point they were pretty much doing whatever they wanted to us in the air?

Did you notice our big time defense isn't so big time with player's like Griffen and Taylor out?

I can't figure out why anyone would say running there is the right call? We are horrible running the ball in short yardage situations, the right move is to go to your strength in that situation, what did running the ball accomplish? Nothing! A first down was needed other wise Tampa gets the ball back with enough time to go down the field regardless.

If you think the defense is that great then why not take a chance at doing what we do best rolling out with a short passing game, if it fails let the defense bail us out? Either way the defense still has to make a stop.

Bottom line loser's leave the game up to chance, any time you run a series of play's on offense as we did you leave yourself open to the possibility of a big play from the opposition, Gibbs went into scared mode on that last series instead of attack mode. If we were up by 2 scores it's a different story.

If we had a good short yardage running game I would have no problem with the call, but can anyone remember the last time we were able to run the ball when the defense knew it was coming?

Relying on your defense in situations like that is a last resort, kind of like taking knee with time on the clock to rely on a 50 yd field goal, both should be relied upon only if all else fails.

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[QUOTE=offiss]If we had a good short yardage running game I would have no problem with the call, but can anyone remember the last time we were able to run the ball when the defense knew it was coming?[/QUOTE]

What do you consider an "obvious running situation" aka a situation where the defense knew the run was coming?

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[QUOTE=FirstandTen]:bdh: :bdh: :bdh: :bdh: :bdh: :bdh: :bdh: :bdh: :bdh: :bdh:[/QUOTE]


I can't remember the last time someone begged for this post to be stopped, but you have been visiting this post two days since you first said stop it. Why do people keep coming back there are plenty of other posts to view if this one is so painful. Just funny, it helps many to vent or get their opinion out to move onto the next post and game. Tough loss with many questionable calls that will get alot of conflicting opinions and discussion whether it be repeated. If people like discussing this let them. Guess what even Gibbs as great as he is gets caught up in the emotion of a lost he has to move on to the next game, the good thing about a fan is they will be talking about this weeks from now and it has no impact what so ever on this upcoming game or the playoffs. I looked at it and lol myself this morning when it had more posts than when I last looked last night.

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Where is the Power Poll?

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[QUOTE=offiss]
I can't figure out why anyone would say running there is the right call?[/QUOTE]

I guess you missed Tony McGee's take this week.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I guess you missed Tony McGee's take this week.[/QUOTE]


Tony can't be right all the time. :coach:

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[QUOTE=offiss]Your kidding right?
How can anyone say giving an offensive opportunity to the opposing team is the right move?[/Quote]

No, I'm being sensible.

And what do you think you're doing by passing it on third down and throwing an incompleting pass? Or worse, throwing an INT that is returned for a TD. Yeah, tha'ts definitely better. :yeahright

[quote= offiss]
Did you watch the game?[/quote]

What kind of stupid question is that?

[quote= offiss]
Did you see at that point they were pretty much doing whatever they wanted to us in the air?[\quote]


And giving the ball back to them with even more time on the clock would help this situation out how? :stop:


[QUOTE=offiss]
Did you notice our big time defense isn't so big time with player's like Griffen and Taylor out?[/Quote]


What does that have to do with us running it on 3rd down?


[Quote=offiss]
I can't figure out why anyone would say running there is the right call? We are horrible running the ball in short yardage situations, the right move is to go to your strength in that situation, what did running the ball accomplish? Nothing! A first down was needed other wise Tampa gets the ball back with enough time to go down the field regardless.[/QUOTE]

You're assuming that passing the ball would have been an automatic first down. You're also assuming that lining up 8 or 9 men the box only stops the run. You're assuming that Brunell is going to have enough time to get the pass to his receivers. You're not taking into account how fast the defensive ends for TB are. You don't think they'd be ready for a short pass to the flat? You're also not taking into consideration how we ran over top of Tampa's defense all day.

[QUOTE=offiss]
If you think the defense is that great then why not take a chance at doing what we do best rolling out with a short passing game, if it fails let the defense bail us out? Either way the defense still has to make a stop.[/QUOTE]

That is the same arugment with running the ball. If we don't get the first down, we keep the clock rolling and we punt the ball away and let our defense bail us out. It's better to give an offense with an inexperienced quarterback less time on the clock to score a TD rather than to give him an extra minute dontcha think? It's foolish to think otherwise.

[QUOTE=offiss]
Bottom line loser's leave the game up to chance, any time you run a series of play's on offense as we did you leave yourself open to the possibility of a big play from the opposition, Gibbs went into scared mode on that last series instead of attack mode. If we were up by 2 scores it's a different story.[/QUOTE]

So tell me again how long you have been coaching in the NFL and how many Super Bowl appearances and trophies you've won again? I think this is where you're question fits into the best.....did you even watch the game?

[QUOTE=Offiss]
If we had a good short yardage running game I would have no problem with the call, but can anyone remember the last time we were able to run the ball when the defense knew it was coming?[/Quote]

Plenty of times this year...go back and watch the games.

[Quote=offiss]
Relying on your defense in situations like that is a last resort, kind of like taking knee with time on the clock to rely on a 50 yd field goal, both should be relied upon only if all else fails.[/QUOTE]

This doesn't go along with what you just stated earlier. You said that we'd have to rely on our defense either way, so how can it be a last resort? Again, there is no way you can prove to me that passing the ball would have given us an automatic first down. I can certainly prove to you that as long as Portis holds onto the ball and doesn't go out of bounce, the clock continues to run regardless if we get the first down or not...and running the clock out when you're leading in the game is an obvious strategy that any sensible coach is going to want to do.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Tony can't be right all the time. :coach:[/QUOTE]

So I guess he's only right when you think you are too?

;)

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]No, I'm being sensible.

And what do you think you're doing by passing it on third down and throwing an incompleting pass? Or worse, throwing an INT that is returned for a TD. Yeah, tha'ts definitely better. :yeahright



What kind of stupid question is that?

[quote= offiss]
Did you see at that point they were pretty much doing whatever they wanted to us in the air?[\quote]


And giving the ball back to them with even more time on the clock would help this situation out how? :stop:





What does that have to do with us running it on 3rd down?




You're assuming that passing the ball would have been an automatic first down. You're also assuming that lining up 8 or 9 men the box only stops the run. You're assuming that Brunell is going to have enough time to get the pass to his receivers. You're not taking into account how fast the defensive ends for TB are. You don't think they'd be ready for a short pass to the flat? You're also not taking into consideration how we ran over top of Tampa's defense all day.



That is the same arugment with running the ball. If we don't get the first down, we keep the clock rolling and we punt the ball away and let our defense bail us out. It's better to give an offense with an inexperienced quarterback less time on the clock to score a TD rather than to give him an extra minute dontcha think? It's foolish to think otherwise.



So tell me again how long you have been coaching in the NFL and how many Super Bowl appearances and trophies you've won again? I think this is where you're question fits into the best.....did you even watch the game?



Plenty of times this year...go back and watch the games.



This doesn't go along with what you just stated earlier. You said that we'd have to rely on our defense either way, so how can it be a last resort? Again, there is no way you can prove to me that passing the ball would have given us an automatic first down. I can certainly prove to you that as long as Portis holds onto the ball and doesn't go out of bounce, the clock continues to run regardless if we get the first down or not...and running the clock out when you're leading in the game is an obvious strategy that any sensible coach is going to want to do.[/QUOTE]


I don't no what to tell you exept I think you learned football in the twilight zone somewhere.

I know your struggling hard for contradiction's but trust me there are none other than hilousanations in your mind.

So throwing wouldn't have worked even though running on the #1 defense against the run would have? Our weekest strength against their strongest strength, always a good matchup. :banghead:

Further more a role out would have taken advantage of the over pursuit of Rice, in case you didn't notice it worked earlier in the second half.

Point out to me the short yardage runs we have made over the last year and a half in crucial situations goal line, and with the game on the line, I find it pointless to look for something that's just not there even though you say it is, please enlighten me. Bears, philli, Tampa, the second dallas game last year, the opening game against tampa last year, just off the top of my head are all games we gave the ball back when a simple first down would have iced the game when a team was within 1 score of tying, or beating us. Didn't we winde up giving the ball back to Dallas the last time we played them with our big comeback?

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We ran on the #1 run defense all day long and we did it far better than any team had done all season long.

And what's a hilousanation?...Offiss "[URL=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8079250463296492129&q=%22family+guy%22]hilousanating[/URL]" while constructing another deep thought

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[QUOTE=offiss]
I don't no what to tell you exept I think you learned football in the twilight zone somewhere.
[/Quote]

I'm sure that makes sense to only you.


[QUOTE=offiss]
I know your struggling hard for contradiction's but trust me there are none other than hilousanations in your mind.
[/QUOTE]

I have no idea what hilousanation is. Is that english from the twilight zone? Didn't have to struggle very hard to find the contradiction. It stuck out as a sore thumb. I can understand not being able to see it when you're reading with your eyes closed.

[QUOTE=offiss]
So throwing wouldn't have worked even though running on the #1 defense against the run would have? Our weekest strength against their strongest strength, always a good matchup. :banghead:[/QUOTE]

Never said it wouldn't have worked. Stop making things up just to argue. Again, your question comes into play, did you actually watch the game? How many yards did Clinton Portis run on this defense all day? You still haven't told me how many years you've coached in the NFL nor how many Super Bowl appearances and trophies you have won.

[QUOTE=offiss]
Further more a role out would have taken advantage of the over pursuit of Rice, in case you didn't notice it worked earlier in the second half.[/quote]

It might have worked and it might not have worked. It is a bigger risk to role your qb out on that third down play AND to throw the ball. It's idiotic in my opinion. Our strength that day was running the ball.

[QUOTE=offiss]
Point out to me the short yardage runs we have made over the last year and a half in crucial situations goal line, and with the game on the line, I find it pointless to look for something that's just not there even though you say it is, please enlighten me. Bears, philli, Tampa, [B]the second dallas game last year, [/B]the opening game against [B]tampa last year[/B], just off the top of my head are all games we gave the ball back when a simple first down would have iced the game when a team was within 1 score of tying, or beating us. Didn't we winde up giving the ball back to Dallas the last time we played them with our big comeback?[/QUOTE]


That is why your argument is a weak one at best. You can't come up with anything that has to do with the present season to fully support your argument. It's last year this, last year that. The only people who care about last year are the ones who live by the old saying, "misery loves company." They haven't got the strength to put down last season and move forward.

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Thanks to all that contributed to this thread.......You've kept me giggling all week.