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[quote=CultBrennan59;991219]Well, March 12 is when we'll find out which Free Agents go where.

Richard Seymour anyone?[/quote]

Richard Seymour? I doubt if the Redskins need him. We have Cofield, Bowen, Carriker, Neild, C. Baker, and Jarvis Jenkins.

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;991228]Richard Seymour? I doubt if the Redskins need him. We have Cofield, Bowen, Carriker, Neild, C. Baker, and Jarvis Jenkins.[/QUOTE]

Agreed lets concentrate on areas of need. Secondary oline and mlb. Dont really want to see any moves or picks outside of there.

Re: 2013 Free Agents
 

[quote=punch it in;991234]Agreed lets concentrate on areas of need. Secondary oline and mlb. Dont really want to see any moves or picks outside of there.[/quote]

Agreed. Has anyone heard any new scuttlebutt regarding free agency moves? I doubt there is much news given the coaching staff is on vacation, but I'm starved for information.

Re: 2013 Free Agents
 

[quote=mbedner3420;991236]Agreed. Has anyone heard any new scuttlebutt regarding free agency moves? I doubt there is much news given the coaching staff is on vacation, but I'm starved for information.[/quote]

We may not be able to get much of anything.

[URL="http://http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2013/01/redskins-have-few-restructure-candidates.html"]http://http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2013/01/redskins-have-few-restructure-candidates.html[/URL]

[quote][B][U]Redskins have few restructure candidates[/U][/B]

Thanks to the $18 million salary cap penalty they will be hit with this year, [U]the Redskins are about $4 million over their 2013 salary cap number.[/U] That sounds like a lot to be over but normally it is something that can easily be handled by restructuring a few contracts. But that will not be easy for the Redskins to do.

The ideal contract for a restructure is one for a player with a high base salary, in the $10 million range or higher, and at least three years remaining. The team and the player get together and work it out so the player gets most of his salary for that year up front in the form of a signing bonus. That allows the team to spread the cap hit for that salary over the remaining years of the contract.

The problem is, the Redskins don’t have many high salaries this year. Their highest 2013 salary is $7.5 million and it belongs to DeAngelo Hall.
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As already noted, we also have alot of our own guys we need to re-sign. I dont forsee us making a single "splashy" move.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;991326]We may not be able to get much of anything.

[URL="http://http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2013/01/redskins-have-few-restructure-candidates.html"]http://http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2013/01/redskins-have-few-restructure-candidates.html[/URL]



As already noted, we also have alot of our own guys we need to re-sign. I dont forsee us making a single "splashy" move.[/quote]

I saw that. Rather disappointing news, really. Looks like we'll be making a lot of cuts...

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The team can make this work, just taking a quick look at the cap sheets I see Hall, Moss, Trent W., Cofield, Bowen, Morgan, and Garcon all have numbers that could be reduced for 2013 to clear up room.

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[quote=Mattyk;991328]The team can make this work, just taking a quick look at the cap sheets I see Hall, Moss, Trent W., Cofield, Bowen, Morgan, and Garcon all have numbers that could be reduced for 2013 to clear up room.[/quote]

And if there's one thing the Redskins are good at, it's making cap space. We'll be able to keep our players and make a decent signing or two.

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[quote=Mattyk]
The team can make this work, just taking a quick look at the cap sheets I see Hall, Moss, Trent W., Cofield, Bowen, Morgan, and Garcon all have numbers that could be reduced for 2013 to clear up room. [/quote]


[quote=Coff;991331]And if there's one thing the Redskins are good at, it's making cap space. We'll be able to keep our players and make a decent signing or two.[/quote]

I think you two are both missing the point of the article. Unless i'm missing something, the problem isnt that we can't restructure contracts. Its that the contracts are fairly small compared to the contracts we've restructured in the past. In other words, we cant just restructure a few contracts and create 20MM in cap space like we have in the past. We'd have to restructure AND EXTEND the contracts of a number of aging veterans (hurting us in future years) to create a fairly small amount of cap space in 2013. In doing so, we'd essentially be giving OURSELVES a cap penalty in 2014, 2015, etc.

We may be better off just eating the bullet in 2013 by only making the minimum number of restructures we have to to get under the cap, resign our own guys, and make budget acquisitions (like we did this year on defense). Then, we're set up to be extremely flexible in 2014 and beyond.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;991374][quote=Mattyk]
The team can make this work, just taking a quick look at the cap sheets I see Hall, Moss, Trent W., Cofield, Bowen, Morgan, and Garcon all have numbers that could be reduced for 2013 to clear up room.[/quote]




I think you two are both missing the point of the article. Unless i'm missing something, the problem isnt that we can't restructure contracts. Its that the contracts are fairly small compared to the contracts we've restructured in the past. In other words, we cant just restructure a few contracts and create 20MM in cap space like we have in the past. We'd have to restructure AND EXTEND the contracts of a number of aging veterans (hurting us in future years) to create a fairly small amount of cap space in 2013. In doing so, we'd essentially be giving OURSELVES a cap penalty in 2014, 2015, etc.

We may be better off just eating the bullet in 2013 by only making the minimum number of restructures we have to to get under the cap, resign our own guys, and make budget acquisitions (like we did this year on defense). Then, we're set up to be extremely flexible in 2014 and beyond.[/quote]
I imagine there will be some amount of cap restructures that let us get the guys they are interested in, but without pushing more than x% of the cap penalty forward through cap magic. My guess is that they would try to keep about 60% of the penalty in this year, and move the rest forward by minor restructures that turn into dead cap if we cut someone. One good thing is we have quite a few midrange guys that we might just want to lock up an extra year or two that would give us that same flexibility.

I guess I basically believe that if we made it through last year when the final punishment wasn't proclaimed until right before FA(even if they had some concept it was coming), then this year they will be able to make it work with the time and knowledge they had to prepare for it.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat]I think you two are both missing the point of the article. Unless i'm missing something, the problem isnt that we can't restructure contracts. Its that the contracts are fairly small compared to the contracts we've restructured in the past. In other words, we cant just restructure a few contracts and create 20MM in cap space like we have in the past. We'd have to restructure AND EXTEND the contracts of a number of aging veterans (hurting us in future years) to create a fairly small amount of cap space in 2013. In doing so, we'd essentially be giving OURSELVES a cap penalty in 2014, 2015, etc.

We may be better off just eating the bullet in 2013 by only making the minimum number of restructures we have to to get under the cap, resign our own guys, and make budget acquisitions (like we did this year on defense). Then, we're set up to be extremely flexible in 2014 and beyond.[/quote]

Point is they're gonna have to do something in order to clear up some room. There's options, more limited than in the past but they can still make some things work.

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I believe we can fit 2 players on our roster with base salary of 6 million per a year.

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[quote=Evilgrin;990526][URL="http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/1/23/3905076/2013-free-agency-potential-washington-redskins-targets"]2013 Free Agency: Potential Washington Redskins Targets - Hogs Haven[/URL]

Good read, some names already mentioned here, definately more realistic list

Anyone heard anything else?[/quote]

Don't really see much on that list that is an upgrade over what we currently have. Chung is a possibilty for depth. Not sure Albert fits our system.

Re: 2013 Free Agents
 

[quote=Mattyk;991380]Point is they're gonna have to do something in order to clear up some room. There's options, more limited than in the past but they can still make some things work.[/quote]

some things, yes. your response was pretty measured but i wanted to point out that coff's interpretation of your comment seems to be that the skins could do what they always do. My fear is thats exactly what the skins always used to do under Cerrato. I dont want to go back there. This team was 10-6 playing with a rookie RGIII who was injured a good portion of the season, no fred davis and garcon for huge chunks of time, and a defense that was down 4 ke starters the entire season.

If everyone comes back healthy - and our younger players now have an extra year of experience, i think we'll be alot better in 2013 if we just keep our core guys together. I dont think we have a NEED to get any big money free agents. Certainly not at the expense of future seasons. Id rather be conservative this offseason and dont do anything crazy that puts future seasons at risk. we'll have plenty of money to spend in 2014.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;991395]some things, yes. your response was pretty measured but i wanted to point out that coff's interpretation of your comment seems to be that the skins could do what they always do. My fear is thats exactly what the skins always used to do under Cerrato. I dont want to go back there. This team was 10-6 playing with a rookie RGIII who was injured a good portion of the season, no fred davis and garcon for huge chunks of time, and a defense that was down 4 ke starters the entire season.

If everyone comes back healthy - and our younger players now have an extra year of experience, i think we'll be alot better in 2013 if we just keep our core guys together. I dont think we have a NEED to get any big money free agents. Certainly not at the expense of future seasons. Id rather be conservative this offseason and dont do anything crazy that puts future seasons at risk. we'll have plenty of money to spend in 2014.[/quote]

Who will be available in 2014. That has to be taken into account. It's easy to say we can wait a year but are those players available going to be fits?

Re: 2013 Free Agents
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;991395]some things, yes. your response was pretty measured but i wanted to point out that coff's interpretation of your comment seems to be that the skins could do what they always do. My fear is thats exactly what the skins always used to do under Cerrato. I dont want to go back there. This team was 10-6 playing with a rookie RGIII who was injured a good portion of the season, no fred davis and garcon for huge chunks of time, and a defense that was down 4 ke starters the entire season.

If everyone comes back healthy - and our younger players now have an extra year of experience, i think we'll be alot better in 2013 if we just keep our core guys together. [B]I dont think we have a NEED to get any big money free agents. Certainly not at the expense of future seasons. Id rather be conservative this offseason and dont do anything crazy that puts future seasons at risk. we'll have plenty of money to spend in 2014[/B].[/quote]

I agree. Plus we get Davis, Carriker and Rak back. Just need to add a player in the secondary and have another productive draft

However, we had low expectations last year. Next year this team will be expected to make the playoffs. With or w/out RG3. How will be play with those expectations?