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Unlike another veteran [URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/01/mcnabb-doesnt-sound-ready-to-retire/"]who still doesn't seem to realize that he's washed up[/URL], I doubt Manning tries to play unless he's 110% confident he can play at a high level.

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[quote=SmootSmack;882935]How do you figure?[/quote]

I don't think Tannehill or Cousins will be able to start and win at all in 2012 and then in 2013 either one would be essentially a rookie. So basically any winning we do in the next 2 years would likely be put on Orton's shoulders. Orton would be the 4th best QB in the NFC East. It's not enough of an upgrade for me to feel confident. Maybe locking them into last place was over stating it but how much better is Orton then Grossman? I know he's better but in my opinion he's not enough of an upgrade to pair with a rookie who could be a couple years away.

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[quote=mbedner3420;882926]I often confuse doctors and pool men, too. They are just so similar what with the fact that both doctors and pool men have to endure eight years of education and training on top of their four year Bachelors degrees. Honestly, if you put two up side by side, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference...[/quote]

and then there's all the bodily fluids they deal with... :vomit:

A human body is mostly water, a pool is mostly water.

All the chemicals they have to prescribe....

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NFL would eat up this Peyton to DC move. Goodell would be drooling to Brother vs Brother twice a year especially with Eli winning his second superbowl. You know Snyder is telling Bruce and Shanny to make it happen

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[quote=Mattyk;882939]Unlike another veteran [URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/01/mcnabb-doesnt-sound-ready-to-retire/"]who still doesn't seem to realize that he's washed up[/URL], I doubt Manning tries to play unless he's 110% confident he can play at a high level.[/quote]


That is what I am afraid.

If we can get PM just as a FA and then draft Tannehill then I am cool with that.

I just think if PM comes here we will just be glued to the injury line every week waiting to see if he is going to play.

If I am PM I am going to Bal, AZ, SF, etc... basically a team that is a QB away from the Super Bowl.

Let me also add B-more would be a great landing spot for him. they could keep Flacco and have him learn from PM and PM could get them to the SB. After PM retires Flacco comes back with some great QB coaching. One of the negatives about Flacco is he doesn't have anyone pushing him, PM could do that.

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[quote=Mattyk;882939]Unlike another veteran [URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/01/mcnabb-doesnt-sound-ready-to-retire/"]who still doesn't seem to realize that he's washed up[/URL], [/quote]


One of the comments from that McNabb article.

[quote]The groundskeepers who will have to replace his divots just sighed..[/quote]


:laughing- :laughing-

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[quote=Mattyk;882939]Unlike another veteran [URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/01/mcnabb-doesnt-sound-ready-to-retire/"]who still doesn't seem to realize that he's washed up[/URL], I doubt Manning tries to play unless he's 110% confident he can play at a high level.[/quote]

THAT is not going to sit well with ShadowByte......
Then again...TO can probably get him a tryout.

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[quote=mredskins;882950]That is what I am afraid.

If we can get PM just as a FA and then draft Tannehill then I am cool with that.

I just think if PM comes here we will just be glued to the injury line every week waiting to see if he is going to play.

If I am PM I am going to Bal, AZ, SF, etc... basically a team that is a QB away from the Super Bowl.

Let me also add B-more would be a great landing spot for him. they could keep Flacco and have him learn from PM and PM could get them to the SB. After PM retires Flacco comes back with some great QB coaching. One of the negatives about Flacco is he doesn't have anyone pushing him, PM could do that.[/quote]

I really doubt Flacco would be down with that plan.

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[quote=Mattyk;882959]I really doubt Flacco would be down with that plan.[/quote]


IT is not up to him. Flacco is not that good. they honestly could get rid of Flacco and say Ed, Ray and Peyton here is your best shot of getting another ring before you guys are done. I say they have 2 years of legit shots at a SB ring.

After that the Ravens start rebuilding but they would would really only need to fill a few holes becasue they have draft so well over the years.

Also I don't know why you love Flacco so much. Even this past summer you argued with him he still had growing to do and I said he has peaked. Well guess what we were both wrong he decreased.

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[quote=celts32;882946]I don't think Tannehill or Cousins will be able to start and win at all in 2012 and then in 2013 either one would be essentially a rookie. So basically any winning we do in the next 2 years would likely be put on Orton's shoulders. Orton would be the 4th best QB in the NFC East. It's not enough of an upgrade for me to feel confident. Maybe locking them into last place was over stating it but how much better is Orton then Grossman? I know he's better but in my opinion he's not enough of an upgrade to pair with a rookie who could be a couple years away.[/quote]

So if I'm understanding you right. Manning/Tannehill is better than Orton/Tannehill because with the former we have a better chance of avoiding the division cellar in 2012 and 2013. But really what you're saying is Manning over the next two years is better than Orton over the next two years? Tannehill is kind of irrelevant to your discussion

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[quote=mredskins;882961]IT is not up to him. Flacco is not that good. they honestly could get rid of Flacco and say Ed, Ray and Peyton here is your best shot of getting another ring before you guys are done. I say they have 2 years of legit shots at a SB ring.

After that the Ravens start rebuilding but they would would really only need to fill a few holes becasue they have draft so well over the years.

Also I don't know why you love Flacco so much. Even this past summer you argued with him he still had growing to do and I said he has peaked. Well guess what we were both wrong he decreased.[/quote]


Flacco isn't the reason they didn't make it to the Super Bowl. You can thank Evans and Cundiff for that. He'll be back next year.

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If we sign Peyton Manning I wouldn't draft a QB in rounds 1-3.

Those picks would be better spent trying to add pieces to improve the team.

I would target developmental QB starting round 4 and down.

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[quote=NC_Skins;882967]Flacco isn't the reason they didn't make it to the Super Bowl. You can thank Evans and Cundiff for that. He'll be back next year.[/quote]


He also not the reason they made it to the AFC Champ game. One game doesn't define a career and if you go back and watch Flacco he is average at best. He has a great line, good WR's and a great back. If he played in Wash. he would look awful.

I am not saying he is bad I am just saying he is a average Joe at QB, not a franchise put them on my back bring them to the SB type QB.

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[quote=mredskins;882971]He also not the reason they made it to the AFC Champ game. One game doesn't define a career and if you go back and watch Flacco he is average at best. He has a great line, good WR's and a great back. If he played in Wash. he would look awful.

I am not saying he is bad I am just saying he is a average Joe at QB, not a franchise put them on my back bring them to the SB type QB.[/quote]

Flacco just needs to be a bit more consistent. Cameron's play calling didn't help. One game the lost, they only rushed Ray Rice 8 times while Flacco threw the ball some 48 times. (they weren't down that much either)

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[quote=mredskins;882961][B]IT is not up to him.[/B] Flacco is not that good. they honestly could get rid of Flacco and say Ed, Ray and Peyton here is your best shot of getting another ring before you guys are done. I say they have 2 years of legit shots at a SB ring.

After that the Ravens start rebuilding but they would would really only need to fill a few holes becasue they have draft so well over the years.

Also I don't know why you love Flacco so much. Even this past summer you argued with him he still had growing to do and I said he has peaked. Well guess what we were both wrong he decreased.[/quote]

Maybe not this year, but he would be as good as gone next year. It wouldn't be a Ravens type of move anyway to go after Manning.

Who said I love Flacco? I just don't think he's as bad as his haters make him out to be.

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[quote=SmootSmack;882966]So if I'm understanding you right. Manning/Tannehill is better than Orton/Tannehill because with the former we have a better chance of avoiding the division cellar in 2012 and 2013. But really what you're saying is Manning over the next two years is better than Orton over the next two years? Tannehill is kind of irrelevant to your discussion[/quote]

Yes pretty much. I don't see Tannehill being ready to help us win for about 2 years so if he's the rookie answer then I want Manning because I know he can win right now. Our QB answer needs to put us in position to win now and secure the position long term. Tannehill covers the future but i don't think Orton is good enough for the now part.

These are the QB scenarios I would like to see:

1. Luck + Any Veteran(Maybe even Rex will do) + Late round developmental QB
2. Bradford + Any Veteran(Maybe even Rex will do) + Late round developmental QB
3. RG3 + Okay Veteran like Orton or Moore + Late round developmental QB
4. Manning + Tannehill + Late round developmental QB

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[quote=los panda;882921]i am a big fan of peyton manning. sounds like you're not a fan of snakes?[/quote]

Ha very good, I did not see this by the time I sent my other response.

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[quote=Mattyk;882981]Maybe not this year, but he would be as good as gone next year. It wouldn't be a Ravens type of move anyway to go after Manning.

Who said I love Flacco? [B]I just don't think he's as bad as his haters make him out to be.[/B][/quote]

I am sure that a lot of people dislike Flacco b/c of the Ravens fans. And while at times he has struggled, he has been the QB of a team that has gone to the playoffs since 2008 (his rookie year) and this year was a forgotten-Lee-Evans-TD-drop away from taking his team to the Super Bowl. I don't think he's an elite QB, but I'd take that any day of the week and twice on Sunday over the crap our team has had under center.

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[quote=Ruhskins;882998]I am sure that a lot of people dislike Flacco b/c of the Ravens fans. And while at times he has struggled, he has been the QB of a team that has gone to the playoffs since 2008 (his rookie year) and this year was a forgotten-Lee-Evans-TD-drop away from taking his team to the Super Bowl. I don't think he's an elite QB, but I'd take that any day of the week and twice on Sunday over the crap our team has had under center.[/quote]

Most of his haters [I]are[/I] Ravens fans, lol

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[quote=30gut;882970]If we sign Peyton Manning I wouldn't draft a QB in rounds 1-3.

Those picks would be better spent trying to add pieces to improve the team.

I would target developmental QB starting round 4 and down.[/quote]

If we sign PM I still would want to draft a QB high. Let the young buck learn behind PM for a spell. Should Manning prove fragile, we'd still have a reasonable cameo starter.

This plan turns QB from a position of weakness to, potentially, a position of strength.

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I agree with 30gut, if we get PM you've gotta take your best shot at winning now and that would mean getting him as much help as possible.

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[quote=Ruhskins;882998]I am sure that a lot of people dislike Flacco b/c of the Ravens fans. And while at times he has struggled, he has been the QB of a team that has gone to the playoffs since 2008 (his rookie year) and this year was a forgotten-Lee-Evans-TD-drop away from taking his team to the Super Bowl. I don't think he's an elite QB, but I'd take that any day of the week and twice on Sunday over the crap our team has had under center.[/quote]

this...

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[quote=Mattyk;883000]Most of his haters [I]are[/I] Ravens fans, lol[/quote]

Yeah I don't get that either.

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[quote=Lotus;883004]If we sign PM I still would want to draft a QB high. Let the young buck learn behind PM for a spell. Should Manning prove fragile, we'd still have a reasonable cameo starter.

This plan turns QB from a position of weakness to, potentially, a position of strength.[/quote]

I agree. Matty doesn't know what the hell he's talking about

Seriously though, I would look to make some trades and get some more picks in the first 4 rounds so that we can take a QB by the 2nd round but still be able to add other players. On top of that, I suspect we'd be very active (more so than expected) in free agency.

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[quote=30gut;882970]If we sign Peyton Manning I wouldn't draft a QB in rounds 1-3.

Those picks would be better spent trying to add pieces to improve the team.

I would target developmental QB starting round 4 and down.[/quote]

I think the Redskins would feel the same way and this is the exact reason I am lukewarm on the idea of signing Peyton.

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[quote=SmootSmack;883014]I agree. Matty doesn't know what the hell he's talking about

Seriously though, I would look to make some trades and get some more picks in the first 4 rounds so that we can take a QB by the 2nd round but still be able to add other players. On top of that, I suspect we'd be very active (more so than expected) in free agency.[/quote]

Or how about still getting someone like Hoyer?

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[quote=Mattyk;883024]Or how about still getting someone like Hoyer?[/quote]

Not sure Hoyer would be up for that. He's ready to be a starter if he's going to go anywhere

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[quote=SmootSmack;883014]I agree. Matty doesn't know what the hell he's talking about

[B]Seriously though, I would look to make some trades and get some more picks in the first 4 rounds so that we can take a QB by the 2nd round but still be able to add other players.[/B] On top of that, I suspect we'd be very active (more so than expected) in free agency.[/quote]

This is the plan I had in mind. Sign PM. Trade down from #6 so that we still had picks to select a QB, OL, and WR before the second round ends. WIN.

To me signing PM also means acquiring his successor. And if we want that successor to be good, it behooves us to draft him in the first 2 rounds.

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[quote=Lotus;883030]This is the plan I had in mind. Sign PM. Trade down from #6 so that we still had picks to select a QB, OL, and WR before the second round ends. WIN.

To me signing PM also means acquiring his successor. [B]And if we want that successor to be good, it behooves us to draft him in the first 2 rounds.[/B][/quote]

This. I also agree completely with this plan. Of course, the question still remains unanswered: Is Peyton capable of returning to his previous state of good health? If he can't, this entire thing is moot.

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[quote=Ruhskins;883013]Yeah I don't get that either.[/quote]


Becasue if you watch him every week for every snap (like I have ) you will see he is average at best. I thin ka lot of fans wanted hi mto be the next best thing and now realize he is not so they are bitter. I don't hate the guy I think he is better then what we have but I also beleive he is as good as he is going to be.

I think it would be safe to say if the Ravens had a healthy PM under center this year they would have at least been in the Super Bowl.

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[quote=celts32;883016]I think the Redskins would feel the same way and this is the exact reason I am lukewarm on the idea of signing Peyton.[/quote]


Which was the same plan with McNabb and that set us back big time. I don't want go down that road again.

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[quote=SmootSmack;882909]I'm still not so sure entirely what to believe on Manning. My understanding is they don't really intend to negotiate with Manning. They have a set "take it or leave" deal in mind (don't know what the terms are). And if he accepts great. If not, they move on.[/quote]

Well, by the sound of it, it doesn't sound like they really HAVE to negotiate with Manning. After all, it sounds like he would be happy with an incentive laced contract as opposed to a lot of guaranteed money up front. If this happens to be true, I'm sure any GM would jump on that deal in a heartbeat. It would be a no-brainer to sign PM then.

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[quote=SBXVII;882868]OMG, ok folks can we lay of the Chris Weinke BS? We could say the very same thing about each QB. Let me show you....

"I don't want PM cause he might turn out to be another McNabb."

"I don't want RGIII or Luck cause they might turn out to be another J.Campbell."

You see. We all want so bad for the QB we want to take to be picked so we over look their possible fault and talk big about all the other QB's faults. All I know is we had a look at Weeden and how he somewhat could run our basic offense and he did very well. Even the INT in the Senior Bowl can't be blamed on him like some would like to believe, he was hit in the lower back while trying to deliver the ball and the ball was INTed.

The bad news is we don't even know how RGIII or Luck would look in our offense or if they would even get along with our coaching staff.


"You know we wouldn't want to throw all those draft picks at a Rookie QB whom we don't even know if he can play in the NFL or might turn out to be a dud cause they are not playing in the spread offense or are having to take the ball from the Center 60-70% of the time which they didn't do in college."[/quote]

I'm just not interested in drafting a 28 year old to be our "qb of the future". That is where the Weinke comparison comes in. A ton of picks for Luck >>>>>>>>> one pick on Weedon.

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So what would you guys rather have:
QB Robert Griffin III
RB Roy Helu
RB Evan Royster
WR Leonard Hankerson
WR Jabar Gaffney
WR FA WR
TE Fred Davis
TE Chris Cooley

or

QB Peyton Manning
QB Ryan "Clark Kent" Tannehill
RB Roy Helu
RB Evan Royster
WR Justin Blackmon
WR Leonard Hankerson
WR Jabar Gaffney
WR FA WR
TE Fred Davis
TE Chris Cooley

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[quote=mredskins;883037]Which was the same plan with McNabb and that set us back big time. I don't want go down that road again.[/quote]

Edit: nevermind, I see what you are getting at now. I agree. Can't get PM without also getting a young stud. Otherwise we might reprise the Curtis Painter Experience.

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[quote=mredskins;883037]Which was the same plan with McNabb and that set us back big time. I don't want go down that road again.[/quote]

Exactly...it's to big a risk to take without backing it up with as good a rookie QB as you can get your hands on. No one knows if Peyton is playing 1 or 100 more games...

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[quote=mooby;883031]This. I also agree completely with this plan. Of course, the question still remains unanswered: Is Peyton capable of returning to his previous state of good health? If he can't, this entire thing is moot.[/quote]

The Redskins need to get out of the needy habit of acquiring quarterbacks from other teams. Brad Johnson, Tony Banks, Mark Brunell, Todd Collins, Donovan McNabb....will this crap ever stop? While Johnson and Brunell did guide us to playoff appearances, that's all they did. That is as far as they took us. I understand that Peyton Manning is the best QB since Marino, but how much will the Redskins offense improve with him at the helm? Will he be able to play in a west coast offense after being in the same offense for Indy for so long? Will he call his own plays like he's used to doing? Why would he want to play for a team like Washington who is not only rebuilding, but tries to micro manage what their QB does? I can see lots of conflict taking place between Peyton and Kyle Shanahan and it will result the same as with McNabb.

The Redskins need to do whatever it takes to land their future QB in the draft. Last year we stockpiled draft selections and this offseason Washington needs to give up some draft selections in order to find their passer. If Landry Jones and Matt Barkley had declared for the NFL draft then the Redskins would have more healthy options. But with RG3 and A. Luck being the best two QBs in the upcoming draft, Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan need to do what it takes even if it means giving up a lot in order to land one of these two young quarterbacks two months from now.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;883043]So what would you guys rather have:
QB Robert Griffin III
RB Roy Helu
RB Evan Royster
WR Leonard Hankerson
WR Jabar Gaffney
WR FA WR
TE Fred Davis
TE Chris Cooley

or

QB Peyton Manning
QB Ryan "Clark Kent" Tannehill
RB Roy Helu
RB Evan Royster
WR Justin Blackmon
WR Leonard Hankerson
WR Jabar Gaffney
WR FA WR
TE Fred Davis
TE Chris Cooley[/quote]

Either one would make me happy. But if I had to choose, I'd take option #2.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;883043]So what would you guys rather have:
QB Robert Griffin III
RB Roy Helu
RB Evan Royster
WR Leonard Hankerson
WR Jabar Gaffney
WR FA WR
TE Fred Davis
TE Chris Cooley

or

QB Peyton Manning
QB Ryan "Clark Kent" Tannehill
RB Roy Helu
RB Evan Royster
WR Justin Blackmon
WR Leonard Hankerson
WR Jabar Gaffney
WR FA WR
TE Fred Davis
TE Chris Cooley[/quote]

I choose option #1 but I would not be unhappy with either of those options.

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[quote=Mattyk;883008]I agree with 30gut, if we get PM you've gotta take your best shot at winning now and that would mean getting him as much help as possible.[/quote]

I don't neccessarily agree with taking a QB in round 4 or beyond but I do agree there needs to be a heavy dose of offense brought in. Thats not to say our defense is done. I'm saying the defense held it's own pretty well I think and we could stand to pick up a FS and depending on how our FA's play out possibly a CB.

If the team does pick up Manning then I'd look to trade back for more picks as SS has stated and get more picks, then I'd take a developemental QB in round 2, and then look for OL. Depending on how many times we could trade back for more picks I might even look for another WR, TE, and possibly FB.

The team needs to atleast pick up 1 really good WR in free agency. Christmas if they got two.