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[url]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-merchandise-sales-instantly-164330925.html[/url]


Sales merchandised doubled. Yeah....Bob Kraft isn't hurting too much out of all this. He's made millions off this whole fiasco.


[quote=DYoungJelly;1113323]Integrity?

Couldn't help but chuckle a little.

We're talking about the league that facilitates prescription drug proliferation and addiction?

The league that went to the ends of the earth to cover up concussion related information until they couldn't?

The league whose officials were caught on the Dallas Cowboy party bus with a bunch of future Hooters' waitresses?

The league who didn't realize knocking a woman out cold was really bad until the news media told them it was after they botched the punishment?

The league who knows Jerry Jones is talking to other teams' running backs and determines the tampering rules don't apply to the Cowboys?

The league who creates a "Commissioner's exempt list" out of thin air?

The league who penalized the Redskins 30+ million dollars for violating cap rules that didn't exist?

This league does whatever it wants with no consistency.

Every team breaks rules and most of those violations end exactly like the post above says, with a phone call that says we know what you're doing, quit.

Brady's punishment is a farce. Zero impact on the competitiveness of that game.

Intentionally roughing the passer has more of an impact on the outcomes of games than deflating a ball 1.2 psi. Suspend those guys. They are intentionally breaking a rule that impacts the competitiveness of the game.[/quote]

I think you are confusing examples of "integrity of the game" with morality aspects. The NFL could care less if some 50 year old NFL vet offs himself due to lasting brain damage. It doesn't affect the game. Them not giving a shit is definitely a humanitarian/morality issue. Them not caring about domestic abuse doesn't affect the integrity of the game, it affects their image, which in turns affects their sponsors. Social issues don't affect the game, only their image.

When we talk about affecting the "integrity of the game", what we really mean is affecting the "outcome of the game". This is the point to which Joe/Schneed are talking about. What can affect the integrity(outcome) of the game is cheating. Video taping defensive hand signals, using stickem on their hands, pumping in fake crowd noise, deflating balls. This doesn't mean any of these actions WILL affect the outcome (integrity), just that it could. Even allowing the potential of these game changers could affect the public's perception (and value) of the game. That means more than anything in the grand scheme of it.

Also, I personally don't believe the Patriots (and Brady) were hammered the way they were merely over deflating balls or the integrity of the game. This was a cumulative punishment that took into the account their previous cheating history, the lying and refusal to cooperate, and lastly the actual act of deflating the balls. The bigger factors were their lying/cover up and past history.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1102133]Here's an interesting article comparing the current 49er GM (Baalke) vs the previous (McCloughan) and their draft picks and FA moves in 5 years for each of them. McCloughan is currently retired (fairly young guy).

[url=http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2014/12/29/baalke-vs-mccloughan-pro-bowl-count/]Kawakami: And now the spotlight shifts to 49ers GM Trent Baalke: A look at his Pro Bowl count vs. Scot McCloughan's acquisitions[/url][/quote]

I kind of like this one myself from 12/29/2014 page #6.

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[B][SIZE="3"]@NEPD_Loyko

Brady has hired Jeffery Kessler according to @AdamSchefter .. he is a pain in the ass. Was the biggest hurdle in the way of NBA/NFL CBAs



@Mike_Dyer13

Schefter on Sportscenter just said he got a text from a source today: "Brady's (legal) team is unreal. My prediction..he won't miss a game"
[/SIZE][/B]




I think Brady's suspension will probably drop to 1-2 games.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1113338][url]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-merchandise-sales-instantly-164330925.html[/url]


Sales merchandised doubled. Yeah....Bob Kraft isn't hurting too much out of all this. He's made millions off this whole fiasco.




I think you are confusing examples of "integrity of the game" with morality aspects. The NFL could care less if some 50 year old NFL vet offs himself due to lasting brain damage. It doesn't affect the game. Them not giving a shit is definitely a humanitarian/morality issue. Them not caring about domestic abuse doesn't affect the integrity of the game, it affects their image, which in turns affects their sponsors. Social issues don't affect the game, only their image.

When we talk about affecting the "integrity of the game", what we really mean is affecting the "outcome of the game". This is the point to which Joe/Schneed are talking about. What can affect the integrity(outcome) of the game is cheating. Video taping defensive hand signals, using stickem on their hands, pumping in fake crowd noise, deflating balls. This doesn't mean any of these actions WILL affect the outcome (integrity), just that it could. Even allowing the potential of these game changers could affect the public's perception (and value) of the game. That means more than anything in the grand scheme of it.

Also, I personally don't believe the Patriots (and Brady) were hammered the way they were merely over deflating balls or the integrity of the game. This was a cumulative punishment that took into the account their previous cheating history, the lying and refusal to cooperate, and lastly the actual act of deflating the balls. The bigger factors were their lying/cover up and past history.[/quote]

You left out all the other instances that do affect the actual integrity of the game I mentioned in the post.

I bet Detroit fans would agree that referees partying with the Cowboys is probably a bad thing.

They treated Tom Brady differently because they wanted to.

What was Tom Brady's cheating history? Should they suspend Aaron Rodgers? Should they suspend the people from Minnesota?

Should they suspend any player who intentionally violates a rule that affects the integrity of the game or just this one?

If a safety comes across the middle and kills the other teams number 1 with a head shot on the first drive, does that affect the offensive teams competitiveness the rest of the game? Hell yea it does. Was it against the rules? Hell yea it is. It is an intentional violation of the rule that will detrimentally affect the offensive team's ability to use their number 1 receiver.

A headshot violates a rule just like deflating balls 1.2 psi. Is the post game interview a cover up when the safety says with a grin it was a football play I didn't intentionally rivet his ear hole with the crown of my helmet.

What makes this rule different than any other rule?

There are so many rules violations every week that affect the competitiveness of games. Blandino holds Minnesota's hand but they suspend Brady 4 games for the same violation.

Has the league asked to see Rodgers' phone yet?

Has the league called Tim Hasselbeck in to see which of his teams were feeding him the defensive plays through his headset since he announced it on national television? There is a darn good chance those individuals are still in the league.

Integrity and consistency mean nothing to that overpaid buffoon of a commissioner.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1113341]They treated Tom Brady differently because they wanted to.

What was Tom Brady's cheating history? Should they suspend Aaron Rodgers? Should they suspend the people from Minnesota? [/quote]


No they didn't. Tom fucked himself by lying and refusing to cooperate. THAT is what got Tom his 4 game suspension, not the deflating balls. Had he told the truth and cooperated, at the least he's looking at a small fine and at the absolute worst it may have been a 1 game suspension.

[quote=DYoungJelly;1113341]Should they suspend any player who intentionally violates a rule that affects the integrity of the game or just this one?[/quote]

They normally do if the situation calls for it. Breaking a rule within the game is one thing, manipulating situations to favor you during games is something completely different.


[quote=DYoungJelly;1113341]If a safety comes across the middle and kills the other teams number 1 with a head shot on the first drive, does that affect the offensive teams competitiveness the rest of the game? Hell yea it does. Was it against the rules? Hell yea it is. It is an intentional violation of the rule that will detrimentally affect the offensive team's ability to use their number 1 receiver. [/quote]


So you consider manipulating air pressure in balls (not a normal game act and outside the game) to a hard hit (within the game) the same? It's not the same. Breaking a rule during the game is one thing and they are punished according. Those same guys that continue to hit hard also see fines increase and finally see suspensions. Did you not see many of the suspensions last year due to continued pattern of illegal hits? I believe our safety was one of them.


[quote=DYoungJelly;1113341]What makes this rule different than any other rule? [/quote]

One is during the course of the game and is penalized via flags/yards and possible ejection depending on the action. The other is manipulating events or situations outside of the course of the game that could possibly affect a future game. They are totally different and not sure why I even need to explain that.


[quote=DYoungJelly;1113341]There are so many rules violations every week that affect the competitiveness of games. Blandino holds Minnesota's hand but they suspend Brady 4 games for the same violation. [/quote]

It wasn't the same situation and I dont' recall Minnesota outright lying to the commissioner or refusing to cooperate.

[quote=DYoungJelly;1113341]Has the league asked to see Rodgers' phone yet?[/quote]

When somebody turns in the Packers for deflating balls, I imagine he will be under investigation. I think Rodgers was just saying it was a common thing, which is why I believe the original punishment would have been a simple fine and slap on the wrist. However, Tom and the Patriots decided to play the "fuck you and your investigation" card and they paid dearly for it.




You are going off on a wild tangent to say the least and somehow you think the league has it out for Brady. If anything, the league has done nothing BUT protect Brady. Tuck rule ring a bell? The mere fact they changed the rules about defenders lunging at knees after Brady gets an ACL tear, yet didn't do shit when it happened to Carson Palmer? Puhhhhlease.....stop making Brady out to be some god damn victim.

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One more thing to note since everybody is blaming Goodell.


[url=http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sm5lnq]TwitLonger — When you talk too much for Twitter[/url]



[quote]An NFL owner said in an interview with Bleacher Report that he supports the decision by Roger Goodell to hit quarterback Tom Brady and the Patriots hard over Deflategate.
"The main thing (Troy Vincent) said is true," explained the owner, who asked not to be identified, "we need to make sure everyone is following the rules. All of us. [B]I think Roger made the right decision and my guess is the rest of the owners agree.[/B]"[/quote]


Newsflash: THE REST OF THE NFL OWNERS AGREE WITH ROGER GOODELL.



Also, even after the evidence, you still have the Patriots owner denying the balls were tampered with. Really? GTFO!!!

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1113341]You left out all the other instances that do affect the actual integrity of the game I mentioned in the post.

I bet Detroit fans would agree that referees partying with the Cowboys is probably a bad thing.

They treated Tom Brady differently because they wanted to.

What was Tom Brady's cheating history? Should they suspend Aaron Rodgers? Should they suspend the people from Minnesota?

Should they suspend any player who intentionally violates a rule that affects the integrity of the game or just this one?

If a safety comes across the middle and kills the other teams number 1 with a head shot on the first drive, does that affect the offensive teams competitiveness the rest of the game? Hell yea it does. Was it against the rules? Hell yea it is. It is an intentional violation of the rule that will detrimentally affect the offensive team's ability to use their number 1 receiver.

A headshot violates a rule just like deflating balls 1.2 psi. Is the post game interview a cover up when the safety says with a grin it was a football play I didn't intentionally rivet his ear hole with the crown of my helmet.

What makes this rule different than any other rule?

There are so many rules violations every week that affect the competitiveness of games. Blandino holds Minnesota's hand but they suspend Brady 4 games for the same violation.

Has the league asked to see Rodgers' phone yet?

Has the league called Tim Hasselbeck in to see which of his teams were feeding him the defensive plays through his headset since he announced it on national television? There is a darn good chance those individuals are still in the league.

Integrity and consistency mean nothing to that overpaid buffoon of a commissioner.[/quote]

What did aaron rodgers do?

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*oops* brain malfunction

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[quote=mbedner3420;1113351]What did aaron rodgers do?[/quote]

My guess is it has something to do with this. He's under the assumption that Rodgers likes to deflate his footballs, but he actually likes them inflated

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12201369/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers-upset-referees-take-air-footballs]Aaron Rodgers of Green Bay Packers upset referees take air out of footballs[/url]

[quote]"The majority of quarterbacks, I would say more than half, are maybe on the other end of the spectrum and like it on the flatter side," he said on his show. "My belief is that there should be a minimum air-pressure requirement but not a maximum. There's no advantage, in my opinion -- we're not kicking the football -- there's no advantage in having a pumped-up football.

"There is, if you don't have strong grip pressure or smaller hands, an advantage to having a flat football, though, because that is easier to throw. So I think that is something they need to look at. There should be a minimum on the air pressure but not a maximum. Every game they're taking air out of the footballs I'm throwing, and I think that's a disadvantage for the way that I like them prepped."[/quote]


Short answer is nothing.

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Brady isn't a victim. He broke a rule. He should be punished. 4 games is crazy. I just disagree with the harshness of the punishment.

[url=http://www.sbnation.com/2014/10/15/6982041/nfl-fined-bengals-vontaze-burfict-twisting-ankles-panthers-cam-newton-greg-olsen]Vontaze Burfict fined for twisting ankles of Cam Newton, Greg Olsen - SBNation.com[/url]

This is a much worse rules violations that actually affects the competitiveness of the games it occurred in. Trying to break a guy's ankle after the play occurred on the field so it isn't as important a rule as deflating balls 1.2 psi off the field.

I'm not saying you're a bad person for getting up in arms about deflating balls 1.2psi. I just don't think it is a big deal.

Why would someone have to turn Rodgers in since he admitted breaking the same rule?

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[url=http://deadspin.com/aaron-rodgers-likes-to-tamper-with-footballs-too-1680676328]Aaron Rodgers Likes To Tamper With Footballs, Too[/url]

Nah, this.

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[quote=Schneed10;1113317]Yeah. You're an idiot.

What does the NFL sell? Incredibly competitive football games. So competitive that they draw in the emotions of millions of fans willing to pay tons of money to attend those games, watch them on TV, buy concessions, buy jerseys, etc. etc.

But as soon as the competitiveness of the very product they're selling is compromised, you're talking about risking the Golden Goose.

The time and money spent on the Wells report pales in comparison to protecting the immense revenue stream their competitive games generate.[/quote]

Pick up two footballs and see if the one that's deflated 1.2 psi under the limit would impact a game. It doesn't. You have 0 common sense.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1113343]One more thing to note since everybody is blaming Goodell.

[url=http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sm5lnq]TwitLonger — When you talk too much for Twitter[/url]

Newsflash: THE REST OF THE NFL OWNERS AGREE WITH ROGER GOODELL.

Also, even after the evidence, you still have the Patriots owner denying the balls were tampered with. Really? GTFO!!![/quote]

I don't understand why people forget or don't understand that Roger Goodell works for the owners. Anything that he does, I would think, would have to be agreed upon by the majority of the owners, even when teams get punished.

Goodell is not some type of dictator that does whatever the hell he wants with the league. In my eyes, Goodell is probably the highest paid scapegoat in the country. I'm not saying he doesn't have his own mind and makes his own decisions, but at the end of the day there has to be a significant number of owners that backup his decisions. And I'm sure this includes tough team punishment like Spy/Bounty/Cap/Deflate "gates" we've seen.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1113334]Manipulating balls:

[URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/11218/nfl-aware-of-game-ball-incident-during-panthers-vikings"]NFL aware of game ball incident during Vikings-Panthers - Minnesota Vikings Blog - ESPN[/URL]

Ended in a phone call saying knock it off.

Blandino said he would remind the teams the next week not to violate the rules again!

The integrity of the league I say!

Too funny.[/quote]

Exactly, this is how the entire thing should have been handled. A simple mandate is something that fits this kind of incident. Not a multi million dollar investigation and asking to see someone's cell phone.

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[url=http://deadspin.com/gronk-theres-only-one-thing-you-can-deflate-deez-nut-1702720123]Gronk: "There's Only One Thing You Can Deflate: Deez Nuts!" [/url]

yes!

Gronk is awesome, the definition of meathead

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[quote=skinsfan69;1113358]Exactly, this is how the entire thing should have been handled. A simple mandate is something that fits this kind of incident. Not a multi million dollar investigation and asking to see someone's cell phone.[/quote]

I think there is a big difference between the league warning two teams about heating up balls during a cold game and having a repeat offender team's QB and equipment personnel deliberately altering football to gain some type of competitive advantage.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1113355][url=http://deadspin.com/aaron-rodgers-likes-to-tamper-with-footballs-too-1680676328]Aaron Rodgers Likes To Tamper With Footballs, Too[/url]

Nah, this.[/quote]

This is why this whole deflategate thing is stooopid.
Add that to all the retired QBs that claim that there was frequent ball manipulating and its bullshit that the Patriots got hammered for it.
They should let the teams decide what the PSI is, it will put more points on the board.
Let the QBs play.....

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1113361]This is why this whole deflategate thing is stooopid.
Add that to all the retired QBs that claim that there was frequent ball manipulating and its bullshit that the Patriots got hammered for it.
They should let the teams decide what the PSI is, it will put more points on the board.
Let the QBs play.....[/quote]

If it was so stupid, then Brady and the Pats shouldn't have hidden anything. I believe during SpyGate, the Pats had the whole attitude of "yeah we did it, but the whole league does it." I was surprised the same thing didn't happen this time.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1113363]If it was so stupid, then Brady and the Pats shouldn't have hidden anything. I believe during SpyGate, the Pats had the whole attitude of "yeah we did it, but the whole league does it." I was surprised the same thing didn't happen this time.[/quote]

Well I agree with you there, the cover up was stupid on Brady's part. He should have just come clean and it would've been over and done with.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1113361]This is why this whole deflategate thing is stooopid.
Add that to all the retired QBs that claim that there was frequent ball manipulating and its bullshit that the Patriots got hammered for it.
They should let the teams decide what the PSI is, it will put more points on the board.
Let the QBs play.....[/quote]

Do you remember the "Steroid Era" in MLB? Sure, it looked good for a while as hitters put up big numbers, but, when the reason for it came out, all the records were called into question.

You want to play balloon ball - fine. If you don't see how that will ultimately affects the NFL's profitability, then pretty sure the concept of "death by a 100 cuts" is foreign to you.

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I fail to see what is wrong with changing the rule and letting each team set their own PSI. No one gets an advantage.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1113355][url=http://deadspin.com/aaron-rodgers-likes-to-tamper-with-footballs-too-1680676328]Aaron Rodgers Likes To Tamper With Footballs, Too[/url]

Nah, this.[/quote]

This is an intentionally misleading article. Deadspin literally left half the quote out.

Rodgers said he likes the balls over inflated. But then they are given to the NFL refs who he hopes wont bring them all the way back down to allowable PSI limits.

In no way, shape or form did Rodgers ever say he has his equipment guy tamper with the balls after the NFL refs check them.

“‘I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it,'” Simms said Rodgers told them before the game.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/20/aaron-rodgers-likes-his-footballs-overinflated/]Aaron Rodgers likes his footballs overinflated | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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another misconception out there.

The investigators did not want all of Brady's personal info.

The investigators offered to have Brady's agent go through his text and emails and have him cull out and then turn over what was only related to deflategate.

Brady and his agent refused.

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[quote=over the mountain;1113367]This is an intentionally misleading article. Deadspin literally left half the quote out.

Rodgers said he likes the balls over inflated. But then they are given to the NFL refs who he hopes wont bring them all the way back down to allowable PSI limits.

In no way, shape or form did Rodgers ever say he has his equipment guy tamper with the balls after the NFL refs check them.

“‘I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it,'” Simms said Rodgers told them before the game.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/20/aaron-rodgers-likes-his-footballs-overinflated/]Aaron Rodgers likes his footballs overinflated | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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another misconception out there.

The investigators did not want all of Brady's personal info.

The investigators offered to have Brady's agent go through his text and emails and have him cull out and then turn over what was only related to deflategate.
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Brady and his agent refused[/COLOR].[/quote]

I dont have a problem with that.
He didnt commit a crime.
The NFL isnt the FBI.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1113364]Well I agree with you there, the cover up was stupid on Brady's part. He should have just come clean and it would've been over and done with.[/quote]

Well, duh. While the issue of NE's intentional manipulation of air pressure was the catalyst for the investigation:

[quote][t]he NFL’s statement did not really focus on that, rather the way in which both Brady and the Patriots were not completely forthcoming during the league’s investigation. They also mentioned their 2007 decision, in which they punished the Patriots for "Spy-gate."[/quote]

[url=http://www.examiner.com/article/tom-brady-banned-4-games-for-role-deflate-gate-patriots-fined-lose-picks]Tom Brady banned 4 games for role in 'Deflate-gate;' Patriots fined, lose picks - National NFL | Examiner.com[/url]

You cannot [I]not[/I] investigate teams with a history of circumventing the rules in order to affect the on-field product when it becomes known that they are, once again, allegedly circumventing such rules. If you do, the inevitable cheating rumors affect the final product and, ultimately, the profitability of that product. NE put itself in the position of being subjected to an investigation b/c it has a history of seeking to manipulate the rules through off-the-field actions for an on-field advantage.

Similarly, once subject to investigation, anything other than full compliance should be harshly penalized as, once again, if the investigation looks half-assed, the cheating rumors will continue to circulate.

Sure, 1.2 psi, in and of itself, is unlikely to affect the competitive balance of any particular game. The sanction is simply not about the psi. Rather, the sanction [I]and investigation[/I] are directly related to preventing further spread of the perception that (1) a team is consistently manipulating the rules with its off-the-field actions to affect the on-field product; AND (2) it will actively attempt to cover-up such actions. If those perceptions are allowed to spread, it will ultimately affect the integrity and profitability of the final product [I]for all teams[/I]. Thus, both the investigation and sanction were reasonable under the circumstances that NE created for itself.

NE and Brady brought this on themselves. In the end, the sanctions send a clear statement that teams should not, through off the field actions, attempt to affect the play on the field and, once you have been determined to have done so once, you will be subject to an even higher level of scrutiny. Further, if the NFL investigates you, even for a minor violation, you better be forthcoming with everything.

Plus, Brady is a rat-ass liar.

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From what I have been hearing, a player has an obligation to cooperate with an NFL investigation. But I also heard that a "duty to cooperate" is not in the current NFLPA contract. Until someone writes a good, accurate article or goes combing through the contract, Im not sure. This would be an area Smoot might have actual knowledge on.

No one is saying he committed a crime. He is not being criminally punished.

The NFL obviously doesnt have subpoena power .. or they would have used it.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1113368]I dont have a problem with that.
He didnt commit a crime.
The NFL isnt the FBI.[/quote]

So, your employer says, "I think you have been tampering with the our equipment and I have emails from other employees incriminating you and making seem likely you did the actions I suspect you did. I need to see your e-mails and text messages from you personal accounts that relate to your work or that were sent to other employees. If not, I will just assume you are hiding something (or worse, lying to me), make my decision based on what I know now. You're fired."

You're right. He is not obligated to turn them over. Since he didn't, however, the NFL (since they're not doing a criminal investigation) is free to assume he's lying or hiding incriminating information and act accordingly.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1113356]Pick up two footballs and see if the one that's deflated 1.2 psi under the limit would impact a game. It doesn't. You have 0 common sense.[/quote]

Yeah because you're qualified to say. Are you a pro QB?

If it doesn't make a difference then why the flying F is there a rule about it, and why does the NFL go to the lengths to have the head ref test the ball pressure 2 hours before the game and then keep the balls under the watchful eye of an official until minutes before kickoff?

Seriously your critical thinking skills are impaired.

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I'm amazed at the number of people who are comparing cheating to breaking the law.

They're entirely different things. It's like comparing oranges and zebras.

Breaking the law, like domestic violence hurts the league's [U]image[/U]. Cheating to gain an advantage playing football games hurts the ACTUAL PRODUCT that the league is selling.

The response has to be entirely different.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/13/a-j-feeley-says-he-witnessed-patriots-use-doctored-footballs/]A.J. Feeley says he witnessed Patriots use doctored footballs | ProFootballTalk[/url]

culture of cheating

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look, first, i think some people are still under the assumption this was a one time thing, and not something that had been going on for 3+ years. Some article mentioned the patriots fumble rate vs league average, which could be considered an unfair advantage.

second, brady made two mistakes. 1. he got caught, and 2. he lied about it.

this also isn't the first time the pats have been caught doing something shady.

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[quote=Hog1;1113335][/B]
NO
DONE!
DONE!
Maybe
In Progress
ANd....yes
HTTR![/quote]

Amazing how much can be done in one off season if the FO has a clue as to how to go about things.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/feature/maddenvote]Madden NFL 16 Cover Vote - ESPN[/url]

ok madden/video game nerds, vote for either Gronk or Odell Beckham for the Madden Cover. Im going with Gronk

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[IMG]http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a479/hatch113/chartoutdooroffplaysperfum_zpsb3e203bc.png[/IMG]

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[quote=Schneed10;1113372]Yeah because you're qualified to say. Are you a pro QB?

If it doesn't make a difference then why the flying F is there a rule about it, and why does the NFL go to the lengths to have the head ref test the ball pressure 2 hours before the game and then keep the balls under the watchful eye of an official until minutes before kickoff?

Seriously your critical thinking skills are impaired.[/quote]

Well I do know a thing or two about quarterbacking. Obviously not at the professional level.

I'm not going to get into name calling with you Schneed. Kind of immature thing to do. You seem like the kind of guy that thinks he's the smartest person in the room. We'll agree to disagree.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1113369]Well, duh. While the issue of NE's intentional manipulation of air pressure was the catalyst for the investigation:



[URL="http://www.examiner.com/article/tom-brady-banned-4-games-for-role-deflate-gate-patriots-fined-lose-picks"]Tom Brady banned 4 games for role in 'Deflate-gate;' Patriots fined, lose picks - National NFL | Examiner.com[/URL]

You cannot [I]not[/I] investigate teams with a history of circumventing the rules in order to affect the on-field product when it becomes known that they are, once again, allegedly circumventing such rules. If you do, the inevitable cheating rumors affect the final product and, ultimately, the profitability of that product. NE put itself in the position of being subjected to an investigation b/c it has a history of seeking to manipulate the rules through off-the-field actions for an on-field advantage.

Similarly, once subject to investigation, anything other than full compliance should be harshly penalized as, once again, if the investigation looks half-assed, the cheating rumors will continue to circulate.

Sure, 1.2 psi, in and of itself, is unlikely to affect the competitive balance of any particular game. The sanction is simply not about the psi. Rather, the sanction [I]and investigation[/I] are directly related to preventing further spread of the perception that (1) a team is consistently manipulating the rules with its off-the-field actions to affect the on-field product; AND (2) it will actively attempt to cover-up such actions. If those perceptions are allowed to spread, it will ultimately affect the integrity and profitability of the final product [I]for all teams[/I]. Thus, both the investigation and sanction were reasonable under the circumstances that NE created for itself.

NE and Brady brought this on themselves. In the end, the sanctions send a clear statement that teams should not, through off the field actions, attempt to affect the play on the field and, once you have been determined to have done so once, you will be subject to an even higher level of scrutiny. Further, if the NFL investigates you, even for a minor violation, you better be forthcoming with everything.

Plus, Brady is a rat-ass liar.[/quote]

Again though, this to me is a mountain out of a molehill. It's a common sense type of thing where it should be handled with a mandate. We'll just agree to disagree.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1113382]Again though, this to me is a mountain out of a molehill. It's a common sense type of thing where it should be handled with a mandate. We'll just agree to disagree.[/quote]

You seem to completely disregard the whole thing about the Patriots being repeat offenders.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1113382]Again though, this to me is a mountain out of a molehill. It's [B]a common sense type of thing where it should be handled with a mandate.[/B] We'll just agree to disagree.[/quote]

... and I am betting it would have been for any team other than NE.

Yes. We will have to disagree -- I'll agree with the more persuasive well thought out position and you will disagree with it. ;)

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1113384]... and I am betting it would have been for any team other than NE.

Yes. We will have to disagree -- I'll agree with the more persuasive well thought out position and you will disagree with it. ;)[/quote]

If the Redskins had done this, opinions would be very different around here. I would believe they would be similar to the way I feel about it.

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The Patriots organization was long overdue for a hard kick in the pants for actively promoting creative cheating from the top down for many years. They practically made cheating an art form. On top of the that, the lying, arrogant rat-bastards thought they could stonewall the investigation of their latest cheating scandal because Tom Brady thinks he's bigger than the game and Bob Kraft thought he had Roger Goodell in his pocket.

I really don't care that the punishment was instigated by the act of deflating footballs or if it had come from washing towels at the wrong temperature. This was simply the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

Haven't we all known someone who needed a good ass-kicking and finally got it? Whether or not the punishment was fair, it was needed.

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Forget the Pats fumble rate. Look who's at the bottom! It's our own Washington Redskins. Sheesh!