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Some guys at PFF (Steve , Sam) argue that running the ball isn't a priority in today's league, I disagree with the notion of abandoning the run all together.. I think it's still pretty important as we saw with the Rams Saturday Night.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1217132]The best thing right now is for this team to win 2-3 games next year. That way everyone will get fired. I'm just not sure there would be anyone capable that could pick the next coach. They'd only pick someone that could get along, like a Gruden or Zorn type.[/quote]

My hope is that next year shows that this roster has talent, but that the season goes wrong enough for Dan to have no choice but to fire everybody and try to hire some proven coaches to stop this fanbase's erosion.

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[B]Read the following at risk of becoming deeply depressed.[/B]

From cbssports.com, Mike Martz on Sean McVay:

"There's just one of him. This isn't a prototype, they don't just churn these things out," Martz said Tuesday during an appearance on Reiter's Block. "He's unique, he's very special -- as is Sean Payton -- and for some reason, the league thinks that they're all out there. They're not.

These good coaches they came in all kinds of sizes and shapes and ages. The younger generation of coaches, they're not all going to be Sean McVay. You have to understand how different and special this guy really is. Just because someone has been with him doesn't mean he's going to be the next Sean McVay. It just doesn't work like that."

[I]So many of us were upset when the Skins' worthless FO let Sean McVay get away. I posted at the time that they should have fired Gruden and elevated McVay to HC so they wouldn't lose him. It may have seemed to be an extreme position for me to take at the time but it wasn't. If our FO could recognize rare talent and if they were bold enough and decisive enough to make the right moves, then McVay would be our HC right now. Unfortunately, they are not and so he is not our HC. As long as we have an ignorant owner and an unqualified GM, the Redskins will never rise to the level of SB contenders.[/I]

[I]At this point, discussing the running game, assistant coaching hires, etc. is nothing more than mental masturbation. They all mean nothing unless the owner hires a competent GM and stays out of his way.[/I]

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Yeah it sucks we missed out on McVay, he made Jay look better than what he was clearly.

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There's no way to guarantee McVay would be having the same success here as he is in LA. In fact, I think there's a strong argument to be made that he WOULDN'T have as much success, simply due to our culture/ownership.

McVay would of gotten hired here, sucked for 3 years or so due to this organizations inability to win anything and get relegated back to an Offensive Coordinator somewhere else.

Then we'd all be saying, "See he was way too young for that position."

I'm very happy for Sean and love seeing him succeed. But just assuming his exact success would have transpired here as well is silly. There's a lot that goes into winning, from top to bottom.

We may have had a quality coach but he'd be sandwiched with shit above him and shit below him. Hard to win with that.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1217126]The video was quite funny... But I have to admit this word gave me a good laugh too.

Not at your expense, but I had to google it up to make sure, and it's a common misspelling of "Apropos", from french "À propos", which can mean "speaking of which" or "right on point", depending on context.
Again, not mocking anybody in particular but it sounds (and in this instance looks) so funny when french words are used in english... [B]Aprapoe[/B] sounds like a Native American first name, doesn't it?[/quote]

Our new name...The Washington Aprapoes...what'd ya think?

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Another coach jumping ship. Kirk Olivadotti meeting with Packers for SAME position

Article says other coaches are trying to leave, but they’ve been blocked from talking to other teams. Literally no one wants to coach here.

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[quote=sevier2;1217143]There's no way to guarantee McVay would be having the same success here as he is in LA. In fact, I think there's a strong argument to be made that he WOULDN'T have as much success, simply due to our culture/ownership.

McVay would of gotten hired here, sucked for 3 years or so due to this organizations inability to win anything and get relegated back to an Offensive Coordinator somewhere else.

Then we'd all be saying, "See he was way too young for that position."

I'm very happy for Sean and love seeing him succeed. But just assuming his exact success would have transpired here as well is silly. There's a lot that goes into winning, from top to bottom.

We may have had a quality coach but he'd be sandwiched with shit above him and shit below him. Hard to win with that.[/quote]

McVay went to a team that was loaded with talent, which was being held back by a bad coach (Fisher).

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The NFL right now basically has a massive 100mg of Viagra hard on for McVay. If you talked to him in passing you'll get a NFL job. It's ridiculous.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1217158]The NFL right now basically has a massive 100mg of Viagra hard on for McVay. If you talked to him in passing you'll get a NFL job. It's ridiculous.[/QUOTE]



We will be watching him like Browns fans watch Bellichek


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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1217148]Another coach jumping ship. Kirk Olivadotti meeting with Packers for SAME position

Article says other coaches are trying to leave, but they’ve been blocked from talking to other teams. Literally no one wants to coach here.

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hogshaven.com/platform/amp/2019/1/16/18184033/redskins-coaching-news-kirk-olivadotti-given-permission-to-interview-for-same-job-with-packers[/url]


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If, as reported, Manusky was asking Gruden to back him up in replacing Olivadotti and Torian Gray, it might be that Gruden has asked him to see what options he has. Makes sense and I have no issue with it if it was handled well internally.

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The funny part about this is that even if they had replaced Manusky it wouldn’t fix a thing. The problems with this organization are NOT Manusky.

But, why not fire Manusky and promote Tomsula?


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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1217164]The funny part about this is that even if they had replaced Manusky it wouldn’t fix a thing. The problems with this organization are NOT Manusky.

But, why not fire Manusky and promote Tomsula?


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Would Tomsula even want to be promoted? His name is on that unconfirmed list of coaches trying to bail on this shitshow.

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So now we are in a position where we either tank or draft a QB... who would come to a team with a coach who is going to be fired and doesn't have the time to groom him. Gruden should have been fired so this process could speed up. Even now, I would be fine with him getting fired. I know a lot of hot coaches are off the market, but let the process start. There are pieces. We were 6-3. A new coach could've brought some much needed hope.
And I don't need to pile on the SOB Bruce Allen, but I will anyway. He has to have pics if Snyder with a farm animal. It's the only logical conclusion.

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This is gonna be one long off-season. :Smoker:

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[QUOTE=Dlyne8r;1217144]Our new name...The Washington Aprapoes...what'd ya think?[/QUOTE]Nobody can ever get offended... problem solved !

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1217172]Nobody can ever get offended... problem solved !

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No, of course not!

From Wikipedia: "The Arapaho (/əˈræpəhoʊ/; French: Arapahos, Gens de Vache) are a tribe of Native Americans historically living on the plains of Colorado and Wyoming."

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1217183]No, of course not!



From Wikipedia: "The Arapaho (/əˈræpəhoʊ/; French: Arapahos, Gens de Vache) are a tribe of Native Americans historically living on the plains of Colorado and Wyoming."[/QUOTE]Oh damn it! Plus we couldn't be named after a tribe that is literally called "cow people" in French, too close to cowboys !

Sidenote: how the heck did you find that?!

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On McVay, I don't understand what the Redskins were supposed to do there. Were they going to fire Gruden and hire a 30 year old? The fan base would have went ape shit. Most of you hated his playcalling anyway. The fact is McVay walked into a great position with a overall #1 pick, and a true stud 3 down back.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1217133]From a 2011 article by Kevin Cowherd:

"It was former Orioles GM Syd Thrift who famously observed of all the talented free agents who spurned the club more than a decade ago: 'It's like we're offering Confederate money.'"

[I]I've long thought that Dan Snyder is a lot like Peter Angelos in the way he ineptly runs his organization oblivious to the perceptions of the outside world. Now, he has finally sunk to the same level as Angelos where good people won't even accept big money to work for him.[/I][/quote]

Syd was a huge part of the problem in early 2000s. Once Angelos brought in McPhail in 2007 and stayed relatively away the Orioles began to be competitive. I actually hope that Snyder could learn from that hire good ball people and let them make good decisions. Side note: I am very excited about the new O's GM but I know it will be at least 3 years before they start being competitive again.

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[quote=mooby;1217165]Would Tomsula even want to be promoted? His name is on that unconfirmed list of coaches trying to bail on this shitshow.[/quote]

Who said Tomsula is any better anyway? lol.

Basically the Redskins kicked Manusky in the balls. They openly had people in for his job. No one wanted to come work here and now they had to go back to Manusky. It's a shitty way to do business in the NFL. Other coaches see this, coaches talk. The Redskins are just screwing themselves and are taking yet another PR hit. It's one of the reasons we're one of the bottom feeders in the NFL when it comes to quality franchises. It wasn't like this when the Cooke's ran the team.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1217188]Oh damn it! Plus we couldn't be named after a tribe that is literally called "cow people" in French, too close to cowboys !

Sidenote: how the heck did you find that?![/quote]

I have a strong interest in history related to Native American tribes and I knew there is a tribe known as the Arapaho to European emigrants.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1217192]I have a strong interest in history related to Native American tribes and I knew there is a tribe known as the Arapaho to European emigrants.[/QUOTE]Quality knowledge there!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1217192]I have a strong interest in history related to Native American tribes and I knew there is a tribe known as the Arapaho to European emigrants.[/quote]

I have an Arapaho Redskin Story!

There is a Town Square in Santa Fe, NM that Native Americans setup a little shop on the ground to sell jewelry to tourists. It's mostly handmade sterling silver and turquoise womens jewelry.
[URL="https://www.travelseewrite.in/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Native-American-Shopping-Downtown-Plaza-Santa-Fe-New-Mexico-USA.jpg"]Image for reference.[/URL]

One vendor had on nothing but Redskins gear including Redskins shoes and socks!
I asked him about it and he said there are a lot of Skins fans on the reservations and typically anyone that doesn't want to cheer for the Broncos or Cowboys will end up a Redskins fan, poor bastards.

He said he was 100% Arapaho but lived in Pecos with his wife who was 100% Pecos Indian.
I ended up with a pair of overpriced sterling silver earrings for the old lady and his business card just in case Dan needs me to find some Indians to support the team.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1217090]Things look gloomy now but you know how it goes. A splashy free agent here or there, Guice looking good in training camp, and all of a sudden our hopes are sky high again.[/QUOTE]



Until they aren’t. Thinking around Thanksgiving.

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[QUOTE=Tennskinsfan;1217114]The only thing I’m excited about this off season is the draft. I have mixed emotions about it. But we have done fairly well the last couple years with our early picks. Even though the 19 season will be a wash the draft can atleast (hopefully) be a bright spot for the future.



Also in my naiveness I’m still holding out a little hope that Dumb A$$ Dan has some kinda big picture plan for the future that were just not seeing yet.



One can dream atleast[/QUOTE]



Guice may or may not be good. We will see. Geron Christian in the third was a huge reach. 2017 draft was atrocious outside Allen. I have absolutely zero faith in these toolbags building through the draft.

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[QUOTE=jamf;1217194]I have an Arapaho Redskin Story!



There is a Town Square in Santa Fe, NM that Native Americans setup a little shop on the ground to sell jewelry to tourists. It's mostly handmade sterling silver and turquoise womens jewelry.

[URL="https://www.travelseewrite.in/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Native-American-Shopping-Downtown-Plaza-Santa-Fe-New-Mexico-USA.jpg"]Image for reference.[/URL]



One vendor had on nothing but Redskins gear including Redskins shoes and socks!

I asked him about it and he said there are a lot of Skins fans on the reservations and typically anyone that doesn't want to cheer for the Broncos or Cowboys will end up a Redskins fan, poor bastards.



He said he was 100% Arapaho but lived in Pecos with his wife who was 100% Pecos Indian.

I ended up with a pair of overpriced sterling silver earrings for the old lady and his business card just in case Dan needs me to find some Indians to support the team.[/QUOTE]



Been to that exact spot. Santa Fe is awesome. My wife has family out there. It is funny because I have only really known one full blooded native American in my life. Mary - super cool lady. Worked with her at a bar out in Tahoe in the 90’s and she was a die hard Skins fan. Not because of the superbowl years - in other words she wasn’t a bandwagon. She was pretty old than so it isn’t like she started watching football in the 80’s. She wasn’t from the DC area. Born n raised out west. She rooted for them because of the emblem and the name. Her words.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1217222]Guice may or may not be good. We will see. Geron Christian in the third was a huge reach. 2017 draft was atrocious outside Allen. I have absolutely zero faith in these toolbags building through the draft.[/QUOTE]



Guice will be a stud, easy bet


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[QUOTE=MTK;1217226]Guice will be a stud, easy bet


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I tend to agree. Just that it isn’t really fair to say we nailed that pick until he actually takes the field. We are also going to have to have a healthy O-line, and some semblance of a passing game so the box isn’t constantly stacked against him.

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[quote=MTK;1217226]Guice will be a stud, easy bet


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No he won't.

[SIZE="1"]Because he's gonna tear his other ACL on the first play of training camp. [/SIZE]

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1217223]Been to that exact spot. Santa Fe is awesome. My wife has family out there. It is funny because I have only really known one full blooded native American in my life. Mary - super cool lady. Worked with her at a bar out in Tahoe in the 90’s and she was a die hard Skins fan. Not because of the superbowl years - in other words she wasn’t a bandwagon. She was pretty old than so it isn’t like she started watching football in the 80’s. She wasn’t from the DC area. Born n raised out west. She rooted for them because of the emblem and the name. Her words.[/QUOTE]That is a really awesome story [emoji106]

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Will Guice be young AP level stud?


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[quote=MTK;1217226]Guice will be a stud, easy bet


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And Christian ? And Apke ? They squander too many high picks.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1217234]And Christian ? And Apke ? They squander too many high picks.[/quote]

Are we really giving up on Geron Christian that quickly? Man played like 2 games into his rookie year before he got hurt. :doh:

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[quote=mooby;1217238]Are we really giving up on Geron Christian that quickly? Man played like 2 games into his rookie year before he got hurt. :doh:[/quote]

Yup, clearly time to move on

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I like the Geron pick. Still do. I'm down with athletic tackles. Our LT now has worked quite well. He's no TW, TW is a HOFer, but I definitely like the potential.

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Moses didn't look good until his second year. So much so that the team drafted Scherff with the intention of playing him at RT. When Moses emerged in his second year, it was then they got comfortable moving Scherff to G.

Let Christian have his offseason to get stronger, etc. He's got good feet. Too early to give up on him.

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[quote=Schneed10;1217243]Moses didn't look good until his second year. So much so that the team drafted Scherff with the intention of playing him at RT. When Moses emerged in his second year, it was then they got comfortable moving Scherff to G.

Let Christian have his offseason to get stronger, etc. He's got good feet. Too early to give up on him.[/quote]

Agreed, I actually think he's already shown signs of tremendous improvement from the pre-season when he looked quite awfully bad to the few snaps he took in regular season where he did an average job for the most part.

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Its time to move on from Trent too , BUM

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1217250]Its time to move on from Trent too , BUM[/quote]

With his old ass....