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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1229795]Who gives us shit!![/QUOTE]



I don’t know but we shouldn’t let them because they are bullies.

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at any rate , that background doesn't look like DC lol

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[quote=punch it in;1229791]How does posing with your friends and a nice car make him a pimp?[/quote]

I saw that pic and thought of the movie "Be Cool"with John Travolta............


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Everyday BA makes the point about TW, his value goes down more as a trading chip. Offer him up and get a draft pick who can then replace Moses or Penn.

By the end of this season TW will have not played and we have no draft pick for him. BA mismanaging another athlete on the team.




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I don't even want Trent back. We suck. Might as well save the money. Moses can go after the year too. Start Christian at one of the spots and draft another starter.

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I would hate for Trent to end here in SF, I hate the 49ers and not too fond of Trent after his bullshit.

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Trade him for the best deal in the NFL. We need more draft picks to rebuild this team. He doesn’t want to play here anymore!!


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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1230247]I don't even want Trent back. We suck. Might as well save the money. Moses can go after the year too. Start Christian at one of the spots and draft another starter.[/quote]

Christian would be a total disaster. Penn was signed and is playing for a reason. Penn was basically retired, he was probably on his couch, he's 50 years old, he comes out of retirement and beats out Christian. That tells you all you need to know.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1230300]Christian would be a total disaster. Penn was signed and is playing for a reason. Penn was basically retired, he was probably on his couch, he's 50 years old, he comes out of retirement and beats out Christian. That tells you all you need to know.[/QUOTE]



Yeah Christian is not the answer, he may never be more than a backup - if he’s even that good. Penn is a one or two year stopgap. Flowers is doing far better than expected.

Moses is playing terrible, as well as a penalty machine.

After the Trent Williams fiasco, will Scherff even re-sign here? The team DOES NOT have a good track record of keeping its talented players. BA sucks as a negotiator, and a talented player can go to another team with less chaos, a better chance of winning and for more money.

TW has proved he is not coming back. At some point even a poor judge of talent and motivation like BA and Dan Snyder will figure it out and get a trade for him. However, my sense is that this disaster will continue until the season is over, diminishing his trade value.

BL - pretty much a big OL rebuild using our top draft picks and new, expensive FA. Is BA up to the task?


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Christian is just another shit pick by a shit organization run by an absolute moron. A stubborn moron. The worst kind.

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[quote=punch it in;1230350]Christian is just another shit pick by a shit organization run by an absolute moron. A stubborn moron. The worst kind.[/quote]

Kyle Smith has made some nice picks, BA has nothing to do with picks, he’s too stupid.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1224616]Yes, but there have also been plenty of bullshit stories put out there by some local and national media people who have a negative bias against the team and who live for these exaggerated stories.



I don't have a problem with people always thinking negatively about the team and front office, they (team/FO) have done very little to have any trust from the fanbase.



However, if you come in bitching and whining all the time because you are easily duped into believing some of these speculative stories in the media, well that shit gets old quickly.[/QUOTE]



Still believe we were duped? Lol. I wont say I told you so...no worries.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1230290]I would hate for Trent to end here in SF, I hate the 49ers and not too fond of Trent after his bullshit.



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There is major bad blood between the Shanahans and snyder/Allen so this will never happen.

Also, Bruce has made it abundantly clear he’s not trading Trent or giving him a new deal. And to be honest, I applaud his stance.

Trent has a history of injuries and suspensions and two years left on his deal. But he demanded a new deal or to be traded. When he didn’t get what he wanted, he not only held out (which has hurt the team), but he put word out that the medical staff had mistreated him - something we now know is completely false.

I do not like Bruce Allen. I don’t think he’s qualified for his job. But i like the way Trent has behaved even less. I would not reward Trent for his bad behavior.

Obviously, there is always an offer that is so good that it simply cannot he refused, but I doubt anyone has made - or would make - such an offer for Trent.


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Funny how quickly fans turn on a player.
TW made a few mistake early in his career but for the most part has been an elite if not the best LT in the game.
He's been injured as well but always put the team first and played with those injuries.

What's gone on this year is definitely a black eye for Trent but all these player issues lead back to Bruce, Jay, and Dan.

We could field a team of former players that would probably beat the crap out of this team. I know Fuller and Breeland would be a big upgrade over that shitshow we saw yesterday at Corner.

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[quote=jamf;1230362]Funny how quickly fans turn on a player.
TW made a few mistake early in his career but for the most part has been an elite if not the best LT in the game.
He's been injured as well but always put the team first and played with those injuries.

What's gone on this year is definitely a black eye for Trent but all these player issues lead back to Bruce, Jay, and Dan.

We could field a team of former players that would probably beat the crap out of this team. I know Fuller and Breeland would be a big upgrade over that shitshow we saw yesterday at Corner.[/quote]

The first round pick for Trent confirmed on multi sources...Bruce passed.

If we keep TW and don't extend him...complete mismanagement again by Bruce.

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[quote=jamf;1230362]Funny how quickly fans turn on a player.
TW made a few mistake early in his career but for the most part has been an elite if not the best LT in the game.
He's been injured as well but always put the team first and played with those injuries.

What's gone on this year is definitely a black eye for Trent but all these player issues lead back to Bruce, Jay, and Dan.

We could field a team of former players that would probably beat the crap out of this team. I know Fuller and Breeland would be a big upgrade over that shitshow we saw yesterday at Corner.[/quote]

That’s funny, most here wanted Breeland gone, I wanted him instead of Norman.

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You're right. I was tired of Breeland mouthing off and freelancing after they signed Norman. Too bad we don't have a coach with the authority to shut that shit down.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1230358]There is major bad blood between the Shanahans and snyder/Allen so this will never happen.

Also, Bruce has made it abundantly clear he’s not trading Trent or giving him a new deal. And to be honest, I applaud his stance.

Trent has a history of injuries and suspensions and two years left on his deal. But he demanded a new deal or to be traded. When he didn’t get what he wanted, he not only held out (which has hurt the team), but he put word out that the medical staff had mistreated him - something we now know is completely false.

I do not like Bruce Allen. I don’t think he’s qualified for his job. But i like the way Trent has behaved even less. I would not reward Trent for his bad behavior.

Obviously, there is always an offer that is so good that it simply cannot he refused, but I doubt anyone has made - or would make - such an offer for Trent.


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If Trent wants to sit out the whole season, the team will happily take his 11-12 million salary for cap relief.

That's the biggest difference between Trent's and Cousins' situation:

Cousins didn't want to be here and we stupidly kept him here under the tag; we could have saved that money and gotten picks for him.

If Trent continues to sit, it costs the team nothing, and as I said before, they are actually saving that salary money this year. I'm no cap expert (paging Schneed) but I believe we would take a cap hit if we traded him right now.

So unless some team comes with an offer we can't refuse, let him sit out and we'll take that salary money.

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[quote=jamf;1230362]Funny how quickly fans turn on a player.
TW made a few mistake early in his career but for the most part has been an elite if not the best LT in the game.
He's been injured as well but always put the team first and played with those injuries.

What's gone on this year is definitely a black eye for Trent but all these player issues lead back to Bruce, Jay, and Dan.

We could field a team of former players that would probably beat the crap out of this team. I know Fuller and Breeland would be a big upgrade over that shitshow we saw yesterday at Corner.[/quote]

Yep I turned on him in two seconds because he is dead wrong. I have no problem ripping the FO but this one is on TW. They stood by him through all his bullshit and now he doesn't show up cause he is too stupid to go to the doctor himself.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1230373]If Trent wants to sit out the whole season, the team will happily take his 11-12 million salary for cap relief.

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Where's the cap relief?
Trents money is still counting against the cap.
Snyder gets to pocket all the money from missed games and fines but it's still counting against the cap and the team doesn't get to use the 12m on another player. Also, don't forget to factor in Donald Pens 2m contract with 3m in incentives.



Winning the dick swinging contest might boost Bruce's ego but it does nothing for the team or the product they put out on the field.



They need to cut their losses now and get a 1st for him if they still can.

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Houston should have traded for Trent...fucking Tunsil been garbage so far this year.

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[QUOTE=jamf;1230379]Where's the cap relief?
Trents money is still counting against the cap.
Snyder gets to pocket all the money from missed games and fines but it's still counting against the cap and the team doesn't get to use the 12m on another player. Also, don't forget to factor in Donald Pens 2m contract with 3m in incentives.



Winning the dick swinging contest might boost Bruce's ego but it does nothing for the team or the product they put out on the field.



They need to cut their losses now and get a 1st for him if they still can.[/QUOTE]



Bingo

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[quote=skinsfan69;1230300]Christian would be a total disaster. Penn was signed and is playing for a reason. Penn was basically retired, he was probably on his couch, he's 50 years old, he comes out of retirement and beats out Christian. That tells you all you need to know.[/quote]

I would hope he would be capable by year 3. If not, still trade Trent and cut Moses. And draft 2 tackles or use the saved money to sign someone that can play RT and draft a stud LT.

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[quote=jamf;1230362]Funny how quickly fans turn on a player.
TW made a few mistake early in his career but for the most part has been an elite if not the best LT in the game.
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I love Trent and I dont blame him for wanting to finish his career with a different organization. Trade him to the Pats for the 32 overall pick or a package of 2 and 3s and wish him the best. 4 years from now when he is done, sign him to a 1 day contract so he retires a Skin then put him in the ring of honor.

But this is the Snyder/Allen redskins so of course we are doing the opposite of logical.

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TW doesn’t want to play here anymore. For whatever reason. Sure he’s in the wrong - but in the end this is about getting his replacement, not making a statement.

We aren’t a good enough team to makes “statements”. We are one of the bottom teams in the NFL and have been there for 20 years. The fan base has disappeared. If this wasn’t the capital with tens of thousands of fans from around the league (attending our games - making them a “home game”) we’d have under 50% attendance. The HC is going to be fired. The owner is one of the worst in the NFL. The “GM” (Bruce Allen) is a joke and hated by player reps. Stadium sucks and prices are high. The franchise is often in chaos.

FA Players come here to play for one reason: to get overpaid. They get overpaid and then under perform.

The only way out is to draft well and home-grow players. But then we have to figure a way to keep them.


At the end of this season:

BA will have held the line. He will AGAIN prove why he is the most loathed and disrespected GM in the NFL.

TW will lose all this season’s money and pay fines.

We will have to hope 35 year old Penn can hold up this season.

We will be a 5-11 team who lost its best player FOR NOTHING. No trade value, no draft picks to fix our OL.

We’ll be talking about this again next year and hoping Penn can last another year.

We have to re-sign Scherff. If you were him and just saw what happened to TW, AP and how lousy we are, would you stay?




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its BECAUSE we are a bad team that we HAVE to take stands when players act like trent. Otherwise, players know they can escape by holding out and telling lies about the medical staff. If we make it that easy, everyone will want out.

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It's a fine line between not letting players show they can force themselves out and doing what is best for the team. It's now clear that we are not going to have a good season with or without Trent. The left side of the OL is no where near the top of our problems list.

If we get a good offer, I'm taking it, and moving on.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1230422]It's a fine line between not letting players show they can force themselves out and doing what is best for the team. It's now clear that we are not going to have a good season with or without Trent. The left side of the OL is no where near the top of our problems list.

If we get a good offer, I'm taking it, and moving on.[/quote]

True, although if anyone on the left side of the OL gets injured, it will move very quickly to the top of our problems list. And Penn isn't a kid....

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[quote=calia;1230425]True, although if anyone on the left side of the OL gets injured, it will move very quickly to the top of our problems list. And Penn isn't a kid....[/quote]

Yeah an injury would be bad. When I say it's not at the top of our problems list, I'm referring strictly to this season. LT is a huge concern for future seasons. Gonna spend a high pick (preferably 1st round) to get our long term answer.

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SF and NE could both use an upgrade, trade Trent now

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If Trent came back, I wonder if they’d move Penn to RT and sit Moses until he can stop with the drive killing holding penalties. Moses has been a huge disappointment this year.


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Go smoke another L bro and get suspended for a different team. Just move on and trade this dude.

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[quote=MTK;1230446]SF and NE could both use an upgrade, trade Trent now[/quote]

agreed- He doesn't want to be here so trade him already and get something for him

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1230417]its BECAUSE we are a bad team that we HAVE to take stands when players act like trent. Otherwise, players know they can escape by holding out and telling lies about the medical staff. If we make it that easy, everyone will want out.[/QUOTE]



We are a bad team because we have a jackass owner and an idiot gm. And you have no idea if Trent lied about anything.

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[QUOTE=calia;1230459]If Trent came back, I wonder if they’d move Penn to RT and sit Moses until he can stop with the drive killing holding penalties. Moses has been a huge disappointment this year.


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Moses has been getting drive killing holds since he has been here. For the last few years I thought maybe it was my imagination that it was always 76 when you just couldn’t have a hold. Now I know it wasn’t. Just another shitty pick at the end of the day.

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Trade Williams now. Get what you can. Also, do what you can to get Minkah and Jalen since both are available. If you could bring those guys in, you can let Josh go (now, in the offseason, whenever). Two shutdown corners, even at great cost, would do SO much for our defense.

-pipe dream over-

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Or we can dream a little smaller -- get Ramsey in exchange for Trent plus a pick. Jax wants at least a 1st? How about Trent plus something less than a 1st.

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[quote=calia;1230469]Or we can dream a little smaller -- get Ramsey in exchange for Trent plus a pick. Jax wants at least a 1st? How about Trent plus something less than a 1st.[/quote]

If you are going to dream, dream big. :-)

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Ok. We keep Trent who apologizes and plays like he has to make amends to the team, and to AP in particular. He mauls defenders for the rest of the season. Ramsey and Fitzpatrick are so taken by his selflessness that they decide they want to play here and for the new DC Tomsula. They somehow convince their respective teams to do a straight up trade - Moses for Ramsey (Penn slides to RT) and Colt for Fitzpatrick.

Snyder sells the team to Jon Bon Jovi, and he immediately does a deal with DC to build New RFK with bleachers designed to bounce and a promotion for cheap tix for DC, MD, and VA residents - a promotion that magically rescinds if you are caught wearing anything that smacks of Eagles, Cowboys, or Giants colors.

Jay decides he was, indeed, over his head and steps back to OC, giving the reins to O’Connell who becomes the east coast equivalent of McVay.

We rout the Patriots in the Super Bowl.

How’s that?


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[quote=calia;1230471]Ok. We keep Trent who apologizes and plays like he has to make amends to the team, and to AP in particular. He mauls defenders for the rest of the season. Ramsey and Fitzpatrick are so taken by his selflessness that they decide they want to play here and for the new DC Tomsula. They somehow convince their respective teams to do a straight up trade - Moses for Ramsey (Penn slides to RT) and Colt for Fitzpatrick.

Snyder sells the team to Jon Bon Jovi, and he immediately does a deal with DC to build New RFK with bleachers designed to bounce and a promotion for cheap tix for DC, MD, and VA residents - a promotion that magically rescinds if you are caught wearing anything that smacks of Eagles, Cowboys, or Giants colors.

Jay decides he was, indeed, over his head and steps back to OC, giving the reins to O’Connell who becomes the east coast equivalent of McVay.

We rout the Patriots in the Super Bowl.

How’s that?


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Pretty good.