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[quote=CRedskinsRule;600919]But how many posters have said you need to take the shot and maybe you get a PI off it, or if he had dumped it off, they would have screamed that his completion percentage is high because he dumped it off. Sometimes, a lot of times, JC is in a no win situation with his critics.[/quote]Well, exactly.

I'm through every offensive play in the first half now (review comes tonight. Expect the offense prior to 9 pm) and every mistake Jason has made in this half is of the "pass was never, ever there" variety.

One sort of exception to the rule was the Anthony Henry near pick-six, which was because the Lions disguised their cover two coverage well, and Campbell just had no idea that Henry would do anything except follow Devin Thomas up the field. It's [U]completely[/U] on Campbell, but then again, when you go up against Blache schemes in practice every day, you don't see that ever.

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[quote=SmootSmack;600908]I wouldn't be shocked to see Campbell starting in Arizona next year (assuming he's not starting here and KW has retired).

And if Mike Shanahan is our head coach I can almost guarantee you we will talk to the Cardinals about Matt Leinart. Shanahan really likes Leinart.

(If Gruden is the coach it's a more remote possibility)[/quote]Campbell would be a perfect scheme fit in the Whisenhunt system.

And I like him in the WCO, but whereas Leinart is sort of a square peg there, Campbell's the prototype.

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Also in a game that the Lions actually won, isn't it fitting that DeAngelo Hall is having the first half of his life, and London Fletcher looks horrendous (to the point of getting benched for the remainder of the Lions third drive)?

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[quote=Paintrain;600894]And if you select 2-3 plays from any NFL QB's game you will see open receivers, missed reads and points left on the field. Not to call the poster a cherry picker, but he had an overall point he wanted to make and found some isolated video to support him. Also, without seeing the coaches tape it's impossible to accurately assess plays. From a TV camera angle you can't see what's happening in the pocket at the same time as seeing down the field accurately.[/quote]

I agree with you and Matty. I'm not trying to say "Look I can prove JC sucks." I just know there has been comments for and against. This was a blog with pictures. I'll agree that it's hard to take 3-4 seperate plays and call him a bust, I'm not doing that. Teams are not going to show us their coach's film which I'm sure we all would love to see in order to make a fair judgement. But even if he did miss a WR down field open we are possibly left with out the finer details of what Zorn wants him to do or where to go with the ball and even if JC was able to see the whole field due to the battling on the lines in front of him.

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[quote=GTripp0012;600923]Campbell would be a perfect scheme fit in the Whisenhunt system.

And I like him in the WCO, but whereas Leinart is sort of a square peg there, Campbell's the prototype.[/quote]

The Whisenhunt system developed under Cowher and derived of course from...the Gibbs system.

Thoughts on Leinart here? It truly could happen

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[quote=Mattyk72;600895]Yeah I dunno, I've seen that thread too and it's awfully easy to take some screen caps and say hey, that guy is open, or this guy is. What the pics don't tell you is who was open when JC made the decision to throw, what the pressure on him was like, where he was in his progression, etc.[/quote]

I've seen the thread too and shook my head. You can point out 3-4 bad plays. But take notice he is not showing the complete picture. As far as if Jason was being pressured and other factors. To pick out a few plays seems very suspect to say the most. I am sure people could do the same thing for Brett Favre but does than mean he is a bad QB? JC may have made some bad plays. But I think you probably could do the sme thing with most QBs in the NFL if you want to be selectively picking out bad plays or plays that can be made to look like bad plays. If he showed everything from JC to the receivers in one complete picture it would have had a greater impact. But still as I said this is only 3 or 4 plays. No QB makes perfect decisions 100% of the time.

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[quote=dgack;600888]Just for shits and giggles, I just spent 15 minutes googling and found threads on Bucs, Bills, Raiders, Browns, Rams, and Panthers forums discussing the possibility of getting Campbell next year. Unsurprisingly, most of the people in the discussion think Soup is a solid if unspectacular QB who works his ass off, isn't a diva, and doesn't make a ton of mistakes.

Perhaps more importantly, they almost all believe he's a steal who is undervalued because of where he plays and the constant chaos here.[/quote]

I pointed it out in a earlier post. What team in the NFL is harder on their QB than we are? Pressure is pressure. But imagine having a whole team on your shoulders and hardly getting support from your fans. Even when you are improving game by game. I see JC putting up big numbers and a couple of TDs the next game. But I will guarantee someone will find something negative. Someone said JC wouldn't be the starter for another team if we let him go. I find that hard to believe because he is better than the bottom half of Qbs in this league and isn't a diva like Cutler and is coachable and has been very level headed and has worked his ass off. But that means nothing to some people.

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[quote=SmootSmack;600926]The Whisenhunt system developed under Cowher and derived of course from...the Gibbs system.

Thoughts on Leinart here? It truly could happen[/quote]

I don't think he is a Charlie Casserly type guy!

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[quote=SmootSmack;600926]The Whisenhunt system developed under Cowher and derived of course from...the Gibbs system.

Thoughts on Leinart here? It truly could happen[/quote]Probably among the best things a Campbell-exit could end up being. If you're going to give away a guy who as done as much as Jason while his value is low, it makes sense to pick up another guy with low stock.

Leinart makes a lot more sense than either Cutler or Sanchez did from a cost perspective.

If you're talking about a one for one trade, while the only thing negative I could say (that I haven't already) is, why do I have to root for Mike Shanahan?

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Plus, it would be the best thing to happen to Fred Davis' career.

I don't know what to think of pass protection schemes that have Davis blocking the LDE with no help in a non-blitz situation.

1) What the heck are Zorn/Bugel doing?

or

2) Todd Yoder would have been called for holding here.

Either way, he could play RT on this team. At 260 lbs.

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[quote=GTripp0012;600930]Probably among the best things a Campbell-exit could end up being. If you're going to give away a guy who as done as much as Jason while his value is low, it makes sense to pick up another guy with low stock.

Leinart makes a lot more sense than either Cutler or Sanchez did from a cost perspective.

If you're talking about a one for one trade, while the only thing negative I could say (that I haven't already) is, why do I have to root for Mike Shanahan?[/quote]

Well your guy Jon Gruden likes Leinart as well (liked him at least). But have we met a QB Gruden hasn't liked at some point?

Seriously though, I've had too many reputable sources tell me if Shanahan comes here two things he is very interested in are bringing his son Kyle here and making a play for Matt Leinart to think otherwise. The first step is, of course, Shanahan coming here. Which I don't have a problem with as long as he leaves that GM title behind

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There was a thread on whether Romo as overrated and people said that he was good and they got a lot of production out of him compared to where he was drafted or not drated. Compare JC to other QBs and other players that were selected in the year he was drafted.

[URL="http://football.about.com/od/nfldrafthistory/a/2005draftresult.htm"]NFL Draft - 2005 NFL Draft Results - Round 1[/URL]

1. Alex Smith 49ers (sucks)
21. Matt Jones Jags (not even a QB anymore)
24. Aaron Rodger (Good QB - got to learn from one of the best)
25. Jason Campbell (drafted after he wont [B]National Championship[/B])
69. Andrew Walter, QB (mediocre)
85. David Greene, QB
106 Kyle Orton, QB Purdue (doing ok in Denver's system but not spectacular)
230. Matt Cassel, QB (did well in [B]NE's system[/B] but not so good with KC - Learned from one of the best)

I can go on..but you get the point.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;600919]But how many posters have said you need to take the shot and maybe you get a PI off it, or if he had dumped it off, they would have screamed that his completion percentage is high because he dumped it off. Sometimes, a lot of times, JC is in a no win situation with his critics.[/quote]

I think it's hard to blame JC for everything and say he's the whole problem when none of us have all the facts on every play of every down during any of the games. None of us know if Zorn is not giving him specific instructions as to what to do with the ball, or is he given leeway as to what he can do. I truly wonder if Zorn is trying to micro manage? I don't know. Could it be Zorn's scheme? We keep hearing how on some plays JC can change the play, and some plays they do not have a secondary play to change into which forces JC to run the play given even though he knows the play most likely won't work.

I know I have been negative about JC in the past, but my negativity is not a complete JC must go he sucks attitude cause I'm not privy to the issues I stated above. Kinda hard to blame the QB when his play caller sends in crappy plays, O-line breaks down, or WR's can't get seperation.

I just know I see other teams spreading out the opponents defense better, passes look too easy, WR's get seperation sometimes with 10 yrds or more, WR's on other teams coming back to the ball or making a play on a jump ball in double coverage and it appears our WR's are waiting for the ball to come to them (obviously not JC's fault).

I wonder if the plays that are working between the 20's are basically due to defenses having so much field to cover, but when we get down inside the 20's whatever plays were working between the 20's don't cause there's less room to work with. Zorn's duty is to find a way to spread the defense out better inside the 20's and he's not doing that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;600932]Well your guy Jon Gruden likes Leinart as well (liked him at least). But have we met a QB Gruden hasn't liked at some point?

Seriously though, I've had too many reputable sources tell me if Shanahan comes here two things he is very interested in are bringing his son Kyle here and making a play for Matt Leinart to think otherwise. The first step is, of course, Shanahan coming here. Which I don't have a problem with as long as he leaves that GM title behind[/quote]I'll admit that I think Shanahan is a good (great?) coach (share your fears about him as a GM).

I just think he's a dick. After having Gibbs here only 2 years ago, I'm not sure I could stomach his crap.

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[quote=SmootSmack;600926]The Whisenhunt system developed under Cowher and derived of course from...the Gibbs system.

Thoughts on Leinart here? It truly could happen[/quote]

To my uneducated eyes Leinart might be one of those qb's who wakes up with serious seasoning and has a much better second half of his career than the first half. He sure has the physical skills to bring it. Then again, maybe he won't wake up, and he'll always be, well, Leinart.