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SBXVII, Shannahan brought in RG3 and made the trade. If RG3 is a bust then Shannhan must go because he perpetrated that draft pick fiasco. Either way Shanny's record is poor.

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This is like the Middle Ages debate about how many angels can stand on the point of a pin.

Who gives a damn about the true reasons why Shanahan shut down RGIII? He and his entire coaching staff will soon be gone. That's what is important.

I can hardly wait to wave bye-bye to them so I can start bitching about the new guy and his staff.

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[quote=SBXVII;1048697]Such a great line, just like the one Obama and his administration uses when someone does not agree with his policies...."your a racist."[/quote]


One track mind obsessed with Obama. i said Tebow and he said Obama??? WTH?

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[quote=HailGreen28;1048710]Currently the thread poll agrees with Shanny. Debating the merits is cool, and people here have made a lot of good points for and against. People arguing over just rationale is lunch room talk, IMO.

I thought the rationale Shanny said in his presser was that he didn't want RG3 getting hurt. And some people agree with that, I think. (I'm torn, sure playing in the NFL any regular position means getting blasted, but reps would be good for RG3.)[/quote]

Reps don't mean anything if you are just repeating bad mechanics. Get him with a QB coach and get his mechanics straightened out before next season.

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From Profootballtalk.com:

"Last night’s NFL Network pregame show included a lively discussion regarding the still-unfolding situation in Washington.

[B]Former Cowboys teammates Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders [/B]argued about the treatment Robert Griffin III has received in Washington."

I am so glad I missed this.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1048757]From Profootballtalk.com:

"Last night’s NFL Network pregame show included a lively discussion regarding the still-unfolding situation in Washington.

[B]Former Cowboys teammates Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders [/B]argued about the treatment Robert Griffin III has received in Washington."

I am so glad I missed this.[/quote]


ELi nor Peyton would have been treated this way. Believe me Eli had a more horrid start to his career than RG3 .

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1048758]ELi nor Peyton would have been treated this way. Believe me Eli had a more horrid start to his career than RG3 .[/quote]
Eli has been worse THIS YEAR than RG3. Guy has won the Super Bowl twice and he's not as good as the guy Shanahan just sat.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1048748]SBXVII, Shannahan brought in RG3 and made the trade. If RG3 is a bust then Shannhan must go because he perpetrated that draft pick fiasco. Either way Shanny's record is poor.[/quote]

I don't argue the poor record, but just because MS is the HC and RG3 was drafted does not mean RG3 was MS's guy and he wanted him and we all should blame MS for picking RG3.

WE all have seen in the past and heard years later that Snyder wanted a specific player or Cerrato wanted a specific player and the HC didn't want them. I'd believe you had these things not happened before. Then the rumor that Cousins was drafted because MS really wanted Cousins.

If RG3 was truly MS's guy and the face of the Franchise then there was no need to draft Cousins or any QB so high after RG3. We could have picked up a 6th rounder or 7th rounder to ride the bench or hold a clip board. The only fiasco I see is a possible QB controversy if Cousins plays well in these last 3 games. The problem is Snyder probably does not want to fire MS and pay him 7 mill as well as pay another coach 7 mill.

Also do any of the other coaches get the same treatment in regards to getting paid even if they are fired? I doubt DS wants to pay this whole coaching staff if he fires them and another coaching staff to do the job. It's easy for us fans to say "Fire Shanahan" but that's because it's not coming out of our pockets.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1048746]RG3 does not play special teams or defense. As soon as the Redskins get down by double digits, it's gonna get ugly. I saw Kirk's quarter Sunday, offensive line looks the same. He took a beating. Kirk is not Tebow.[/quote]

Wait... does that mean he's better? I'm asking cause I think Tebow is not a good QB.

Everyone thought drew brees wasn't any good after he left SD and now look at the guy. Patience people

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[quote=SBXVII;1048786]Wait... does that mean he's better? I'm asking cause I think Tebow is not a good QB.[/quote]

His body type is inferior.

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[quote=donofriose;1048747]If cousins plays well it will be because the Skins played the Falcons (29th ranked D), The Giants (21st ranked D), and the Cowboys... possibly the Worst defense ever. If he actually was concerned for RG3 or wanted to give Cousins a chance he would have benched him against KC. Except Shanahan knows KC would kill Cousins too so he would look like an idiot, which in my opinion, he already does.

I think this was well calculated move by Shanahan for future coaching jobs for him or his son.[/quote]

Ok, so I guess the coaches mind set is "hey, if I bench the 90% healthy starting QB with 3 meaningless games left and claim I'm protecting him then some other team will look at that as being brilliant and hire me." ? That does not make sense since most here seem to think its a dumb idiot move.

I think MS and KS would have gotten picked up somewhere else no matter what. I mean look at Marty Schottenheimer and his son. Marty moved to several teams but kept getting picked up. His son is with the Rams right now but didn't coach well with the Jets his final year.

I think owners are smart enough to know that its not just about putting together a great coaching staff but also having great players who buy into the system. If any one of the three are bad (coaching, system, or players) then no play offs, no SB. But sometimes its a crap shoot. A very expensive crap shoot putting together the right mix.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1048751]This is like the Middle Ages debate about how many angels can stand on the point of a pin.

Who gives a damn about the true reasons why Shanahan shut down RGIII? He and his entire coaching staff will soon be gone. That's what is important.

I can hardly wait to wave bye-bye to them so I can start bitching about the new guy and his staff.[/quote]

Don't bring Religion into this debate.

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[quote=SBXVII;1048785]I don't argue the poor record, but just because MS is the HC and RG3 was drafted does not mean RG3 was MS's guy and he wanted him and we all should blame MS for picking RG3.

WE all have seen in the past and heard years later that Snyder wanted a specific player or Cerrato wanted a specific player and the HC didn't want them. I'd believe you had these things not happened before. Then the rumor that Cousins was drafted because MS really wanted Cousins.

If RG3 was truly MS's guy and the face of the Franchise then there was no need to draft Cousins or any QB so high after RG3. We could have picked up a 6th rounder or 7th rounder to ride the bench or hold a clip board. The only fiasco I see is a possible QB controversy if Cousins plays well in these last 3 games. The problem is Snyder probably does not want to fire MS and pay him 7 mill as well as pay another coach 7 mill.

Also do any of the other coaches get the same treatment in regards to getting paid even if they are fired? I doubt DS wants to pay this whole coaching staff if he fires them and another coaching staff to do the job. It's easy for us fans to say "Fire Shanahan" but that's because it's not coming out of our pockets.[/quote]

I heard if they remove the entire coaching staff it would cost around 20 million dollars. Not sure of the exact number though.

Mike had the final say on personnel decisions so if he didn't want RG3, he should have said no. It is irrelevant if Snyder was pushing for him or not. Shanahan was in control, not Snyder.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1048787]Everyone thought drew brees wasn't any good after he left SD and now look at the guy. Patience people[/quote]

yeah i lived in san diego at that time and the few chargers fans that existed were split with "hes okay" or "we need to upgrade".

a lot like jason campbell discussions here (not that they were similar skill sets, just the split opinion amongst fans).

Ultimately they didnt have a talented all-around team and didnt give brees many weapons to work with in the receiving corps. I think they brought in a washed up david boston and fans thought brees had all the help he needed.

Alot like the skins now, bad coaching with an incomplete team

rg3 will be a stud.