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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1113387]Forget the Pats fumble rate. Look who's at the bottom! It's our own Washington Redskins. Sheesh![/quote]

There is 0 proof behind this. It sure didn't help Stevan Ridley. He was benched for fumbling.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1113385]If the Redskins had done this, opinions would be very different around here. I would believe they would be similar to the way I feel about it.[/quote]

Well let's see. Our organization has done some stupid things in the past. If the Redskins had already gone through SpyGate and then gotten busted for this, I'd be pissed at the organization (and around here it takes very little for that to happen).

I would also be confused as to why our QB would break the rules to do something that clearly has not given them a competitive advantage.

Come to think of it, you could say that this organization already has its "strike one" from CapGate. So maybe our team needs to make sure they are doing things within the rules so they don't get busted the same way the Pats did.

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[IMG]http://www.thedrawplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/2015-05-12-PatsTears.png[/IMG]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1113385]If the Redskins had done this, opinions would be very different around here. I would believe they would be similar to the way I feel about it.[/quote]

I think opinions do vary greatly around here. You are not alone in thinking the PSI is not a big deal. Cooley and some other NFL players have said they could probably barely tell if there was a difference and dont think it tipped the scales of competitive play.

Other posters here and other NFL players do think it is a slight advantage.

My opinion is that it probably did give a slight advantage to Brady, or else Brady would not have done it and would not have been so pissed after the Jets regular season game in wk 5 or wherever when the balls were not able to be under-inflated. The fumble stats are interesting and the statistical anomaly cannot be ignored.

The whole ducking into a bathroom scheme just smells bad. pun intended.
Brady and the Pats went all in or broke. They gambled and lost. The text messages were the silver bullet and explained the PSI variance.

The punishment cannot be tied to the level of competitive advantage that was gained by the illegal act. If that were the case, every team would have a green light to commit slightly illegal acts knowing a slap on the wrist was the only deterrent.

Thats another thing. In punishment there is specific and general deterrent. The League had to bitch slap the Pats bc they have exhibited a pattern and practice of knowing violating league rules.

The league also had to set a general deterrent for the rest of the teams - you scheme to gain an advantage, you do not cooperate fully, you make one-sided smear campaign comments to the public knowing the league cannot rebut in public bc of an on-going investigation = you will get bitch slapped.

I, for one, love the bitch slap.

Skinsfan - you have your opinion, stick to it buddy but keep your mind open. this is about so much more than PSI for 1 game imo.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1113390][IMG]http://www.thedrawplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/2015-05-12-PatsTears.png[/IMG][/quote]

You would still have to build a massive desalinization plant.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1113388]There is 0 proof behind this. It sure didn't help Stevan Ridley. He was benched for fumbling.[/quote]

If a Pats running back gets the fumbles, he doesn't dress the next week and is standing on the sidelines holding a football.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1113396]If a Pats running back gets the fumbles, he doesn't dress the next week and is standing on the sidelines holding a football.[/quote]

Of course they do. As a head coach, you would sideline players who couldn't even hold on to a deflated ball.

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1113397]Of course they do. As a head coach, you would sideline players who couldn't even hold on to a deflated ball.[/quote]

Well played Sir, well played.

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CB Kyle Arrington signs with Baltimore

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[quote=Schneed10;1113380][IMG]http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a479/hatch113/chartoutdooroffplaysperfum_zpsb3e203bc.png[/IMG][/quote]

It's such an extreme outlier you can't help but ask what's going on there with NE.

Any moron should be able to see that.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1113401]CB Kyle Arrington signs with Baltimore[/quote]

Well good players don't stay on the market long. Salt in the wound too since its Baltimore that gets him

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000492660/article/tyler-polumbus-set-to-sign-with-atlanta-falcons]Tyler Polumbus set to sign with Atlanta Falcons - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;1113389]Well let's see. Our organization has done some stupid things in the past. If the Redskins had already gone through SpyGate and then gotten busted for this, I'd be pissed at the organization (and around here it takes very little for that to happen).

I would also be confused as to why our QB would break the rules to do something that clearly has not given them a competitive advantage.

Come to think of it, you could say that this organization already has its "strike one" from CapGate. So maybe our team needs to make sure they are doing things within the rules so they don't get busted the same way the Pats did.[/quote]

Well with the cap hit, everyone here was pretty much upset about it. Some of you wanted to kill John Mara. Although this isn't a rule, obviously the Redskins did something they were told not to do.

I have no doubt that if Tom Brady were our QB, and lead our organization to 4 Super Bowls, the opinions here would be totally different. I'd bet my life savings on it. People here would be furious, just like the cap situation.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1113406][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000492660/article/tyler-polumbus-set-to-sign-with-atlanta-falcons]Tyler Polumbus set to sign with Atlanta Falcons - NFL.com[/url][/quote]



RIP Matt Ryan

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[quote=skinsfan69;1113416]Well with the cap hit, everyone here was pretty much upset about it. Some of you wanted to kill John Mara. [B]Although this isn't a rule, obviously the Redskins did something they were told not to do. [/B]

I have no doubt that if Tom Brady were our QB, and lead our organization to 4 Super Bowls, the opinions here would be totally different. I'd bet my life savings on it. People here would be furious, just like the cap situation.[/quote]

I'm sure there were plenty of people upset with the organization for what they did. The problem with CapGate is that the league did exactly what the NFLPA was accusing them of doing.

Yes, fans will be biased, but that doesn't change the fact that in the eyes of the league our team did and what Brady did was wrong.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/14/pats-jim-mcnally-called-himself-deflator-because-hes-fat/]Pats: Jim McNally called himself “Deflator” because he’s fat | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Cant make this stuff up folks. These excuses are about as lame as Ive ever heard...the lying and cheating continues courtesy of the Patriots organization

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[quote=Schneed10;1113380][IMG]http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a479/hatch113/chartoutdooroffplaysperfum_zpsb3e203bc.png[/IMG][/quote]

SkinsFan69, what say you to this?

Doesn't impact anything my ass.

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An even more cogent graphic. The Pats fumbled once per 42 touches in the period from 2000 - 2006. After the ball rules were changed, it went up to 1 fumble in 74 touches, a drastic outlier.

If you're statistically inclined, the P-Value on this 0.0001711874, meaning there is a 0.017% chance that this improvement in fumble rate was the result of chance, aka 'just the way the football bounces'.

[IMG]http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/01/150126_SN_chart01.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg[/IMG]

This is a fairly widespread bell curve distribution but the Patriots are still up on the tail end by a mile.

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Do more reading here if you enjoy the maths as much as me.

[url=http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/01/stats_show_the_new_england_patriots_became_nearly_fumble_proof_after_a_2006.html]Stats show the New England Patriots became nearly fumble-proof after a 2006 rule change pushed by Tom Brady.[/url]

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[quote=Schneed10;1113425]Do more reading here if you enjoy the maths as much as me.

[url=http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/01/stats_show_the_new_england_patriots_became_nearly_fumble_proof_after_a_2006.html]Stats show the New England Patriots became nearly fumble-proof after a 2006 rule change pushed by Tom Brady.[/url][/quote]

Nice find with this article. Funny how Peyton and Brady lobbied for the rule change...def something shady going on with those numbers.

Speaking of Peyton, he's been aweful quiet about this situation.

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[quote=Chico23231;1113426]Nice find with this article. Funny how Peyton and Brady lobbied for the rule change...def something shady going on with those numbers.

Speaking of Peyton, he's been aweful quiet about this situation.[/quote]

I think he's been asked about it but has declined comment. Meaning he was asked to comment on Brady's situation. I haven't seen anything where he was asked if he doctored balls outside of the rules.

There's no evidence that he has, including in his team's fumble rates.

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[url=http://redskinscapitalconnection.com/source-redskins-are-hbos-hard-knocks-backup-plan/]Source: Redskins are HBO's Hard Knocks Backup Plan[/url]

[quote]Nothing makes for better television than drama, and there is no bigger drama surrounding the Washington Redskins than that of their name. Just this week, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D) tweeted that “[He] finds it stunning that the NFL cares more about how much air is in a football than it cares about a racist franchise name.”

Given that the Redskins training camp enjoys one of the best fan turnouts in the entire NFL, [B]do not be shocked to see the HBO cameras talking to fans and asking them directly about the issue of the name[/B][/quote]

You know they would, gleefully.

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[quote=SirLK26;1113432][url=http://redskinscapitalconnection.com/source-redskins-are-hbos-hard-knocks-backup-plan/]Source: Redskins are HBO's Hard Knocks Backup Plan[/url]



You know they would, gleefully.[/quote]

God, I hope Snyder says no to this.

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[quote=SirLK26;1113432][url=http://redskinscapitalconnection.com/source-redskins-are-hbos-hard-knocks-backup-plan/]Source: Redskins are HBO's Hard Knocks Backup Plan[/url]



You know they would, gleefully.[/quote]

My answer would be "what issue?" Id like to see HBO down here at training camp.

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[quote=Chico23231;1113435]My answer would be "what issue?" Id like to see HBO down here at training camp.[/quote]

I think it would be a big issue. There's enough nonsense surrounding a Redskins training camp without adding the HBO madness. We need to get some serious work done, and we certainly can do without this kind of major league distraction...

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[quote=Ruhskins;1113433]God, I hope Snyder says no to this.[/quote]

Unfortunately he [URL="http://deadspin.com/the-nfl-can-now-force-teams-to-appear-on-hard-knocks-1442484351"]doesn't[/URL] really have a choice.

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with capgate the redskins broke a rule that didn't actually exist. an unwritten rule shouldn't really be enforceable, even though the skins obviously were trying to dump salary into an uncapped year.

the psi level in footballs is a REAL rule, that's written and enforceable. if you don't enforce your rules, then they're no longer rules, they're just suggestions.

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[quote=That Guy;1113445]with capgate the redskins broke a rule that didn't actually exist. an unwritten rule shouldn't really be enforceable, even though the skins obviously were trying to dump salary into an uncapped year.

the psi level in footballs is a REAL rule, that's written and enforceable. if you don't enforce your rules, then they're no longer rules, they're just suggestions.[/quote]

Couldn't have said it better myself. That's the best possible compliment I could ever give.

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[quote=Schneed10;1113424]An even more cogent graphic. The Pats fumbled once per 42 touches in the period from 2000 - 2006. After the ball rules were changed, it went up to 1 fumble in 74 touches, a drastic outlier.

If you're statistically inclined, the P-Value on this 0.0001711874, meaning there is a 0.017% chance that this improvement in fumble rate was the result of chance, aka 'just the way the football bounces'.

[IMG]http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/01/150126_SN_chart01.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg[/IMG]

This is a fairly widespread bell curve distribution but the Patriots are still up on the tail end by a mile.[/quote]

Wow.

I'm pissed we haven't been doing this.

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[quote=Chico23231;1113422][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/14/pats-jim-mcnally-called-himself-deflator-because-hes-fat/]Pats: Jim McNally called himself “Deflator” because he’s fat | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Cant make this stuff up folks. These excuses are about as lame as Ive ever heard...the lying and cheating continues courtesy of the Patriots organization[/quote]

I can see why Robert Kraft thinks the public masses are a bunch of imbeciles. Just look at our current political situation and see how many brainless idiots believe the tripe that's fed to them.

That said, I'm not one of these people that believe the horse manure he's trying to shovel. It's just as bad and as insulting as some of the excuses from guys who get caught using PEDs/drugs.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1113458]
That said, I'm not one of these people that believe the horse manure he's trying to shovel. It's just as bad and as insulting as some of the excuses from guys who get caught using PEDs/drugs.[/quote]


but these steroids, they are for my horse.

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[quote=That Guy;1113465]but these steroids, they are for my horse.[/quote]

i never inhaled

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Maybe league executives were on the Cowboys party bus too.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/68338/tom-bradys-impact-on-nfc-east-race]Tom Brady's impact on NFC East race - NFC East - ESPN[/url]

Honestly, who is pulling for the league to reduce his suspension at least 1 game? I am.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1113480]Maybe league executives were on the Cowboys party bus too.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/68338/tom-bradys-impact-on-nfc-east-race]Tom Brady's impact on NFC East race - NFC East - ESPN[/url]

Honestly, who is pulling for the league to reduce his suspension at least 1 game? I am.[/quote]

Some pundits were saying that they think the NFL is not going to want to have a Brady-less game against the Cowpukes because of ratings. Also, I feel that Goodell's plan was to have Brady be suspended two games, but because of the appeals he probably upped it to four.

Honestly, to me even an upheld one-game suspension is enough to tarnish Brady's legacy. And I'm not calling him a cheater, he's just a smug idiot who thought he was above the rules (like his coach).

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Interesting article from ESPN's legal guru on this.

[url=http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/12888612/tom-brady-nflpa-cannot-win-appeal-filed-deflategate]Lester Munson: Tom Brady, NFLPA cannot win appeal filed in Deflategate[/url]


Doesn't seem to think Brady or the NFLPA have a shot in hell at overturning this.

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Interesting.........

[url=http://yourteamcheats.com/]Your Team Cheats - The Definitive Guide to NFL Cheating[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1113488]Interesting article from ESPN's legal guru on this.

[url=http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/12888612/tom-brady-nflpa-cannot-win-appeal-filed-deflategate]Lester Munson: Tom Brady, NFLPA cannot win appeal filed in Deflategate[/url]


Doesn't seem to think Brady or the NFLPA have a shot in hell at overturning this.[/quote]

Not as long as Goodell is the judge but also representing the NFL on this. Talk about a conflict of interest.

Judge Goodell: Commisioner Goodell, why should I keep the original punishment?
Commisioner Goodell: Because we're the same person who handed the punishment down in the first case?
Judge Goodell: Ah, great point. Punishment upheld.

(He might even throw in a little touch of Mara)
Later he whispers to Brady: You're lucky we didn't suspend you for an entire season...[SIZE="1"]bitch[/SIZE]

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[quote=Hog1;1113489]Interesting.........

[URL="http://yourteamcheats.com/"]Your Team Cheats - The Definitive Guide to NFL Cheating[/URL][/quote]

Every team has players caught for PEDs so that just kind of washes itself out.

Still, nothing has remotely close to the impact deflating the balls may be having (see graphs on the drastic improvement in fumble rate).

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[quote=Schneed10;1113423]SkinsFan69, what say you to this?

Doesn't impact anything my ass.[/quote]

This proves nothing, other than NE doesn't fumble the ball. Again, why didn't it help Ridley? Where is your proof that every ball they played with was deflated?

I guess that normal sized ball hurt Brady in the SB when he picked apart Seattle with pin point pass after pin point pass. I guess the heavy ball slowed down his reads. Or slowed down his ability to check things at the line. Or look off the safeties, or when he has that 6th sense with the pass rush and steps up to avoid sacks. I guess all those things that he does so well comes down to an under deflated ball by 1.2 psi. It has nothing to do with the countless hours that he puts in. He's a great QB all cause of the deflated ball. Right?

Again, we'll just agree to disagree.

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[quote=mooby;1113497]Not as long as Goodell is the judge but also representing the NFL on this. Talk about a conflict of interest.

Judge Goodell: Commisioner Goodell, why should I keep the original punishment?
Commisioner Goodell: Because we're the same person who handed the punishment down in the first case?
Judge Goodell: Ah, great point. Punishment upheld.

(He might even throw in a little touch of Mara)
Later he whispers to Brady: You're lucky we didn't suspend you for an entire season...[SIZE="1"]bitch[/SIZE][/quote]

F Goodell. The league has become General Hospital ever since he took over.