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[QUOTE=punch it in;1198870]Fail at what? Lol.[/QUOTE]At understanding

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1198875]At understanding[/QUOTE]



Hahahaha. I understand perfectly, and you just cemented that with your response. Time will show that one of us didn’t understand CRed, that I can promise you.
Time will show that a whole bunch of you didn’t understand when they followed the orange guy into the gutters.

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[quote=punch it in;1198882]Hahahaha. I understand perfectly, and you just cemented that with your response. Time will show that one of us didn’t understand CRed, that I can promise you.
Time will show that a whole bunch of you didn’t understand when they followed the orange guy into the gutters.[/quote]

you lumped all supporters as white alpha males, it's just statistically impossible given his current approval rating, and the make up of the US population. Even if all white males of voting age supported Trump (which it's clear they don't) then that would leave 25% percent of his voters from outside that base.

I understand he's not Ronald Reagan personality wise, but policy wise he is pretty close. and that's what you fail to understand.

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[url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-house-counsel-don-mcgahn-to-leave-administration/ar-BBMBSKb?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ientp[/url]

I got a hundred (One hundred dollars and 00/cents) that says McGahn is leaving because he won't back Trump on pardoning Manafort. Any takers?

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[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/29/trump-warns-violence-if-republicans-lose-fall-elections.html"]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/29/trump-warns-violence-if-republicans-lose-fall-elections.html[/URL]

[URL="http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-florida-governors-race-20180829-story.html"]http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-florida-governors-race-20180829-story.html[/URL]

Shameless!

I can't believe "Normal Citizens" find this acceptable.

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[quote=jamf;1198907][URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/29/trump-warns-violence-if-republicans-lose-fall-elections.html"]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/29/trump-warns-violence-if-republicans-lose-fall-elections.html[/URL]

[URL="http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-florida-governors-race-20180829-story.html"]http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-florida-governors-race-20180829-story.html[/URL]

Shameless!

I can't believe "Normal Citizens" find this acceptable.[/quote]


Are we in the misleading headlines section?
Here is the LA Times Headline:
Florida GOP's Ron DeSantis tells voters not to '[B] [U]monkey this up' by choosing his black opponent [/U] [/B]in governor's race

Here is the quote in the article:
Meanwhile, on Fox News, DeSantis called Gillum an “articulate” candidate, but said “[U][B]the last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting this state[/B].[/U] That is not going to work. It's not going to be good for Florida.”

Hmm one seems racist, while the other seems political (not racist)

Liberal media at it's finest my friends

The other while on Fox news is the AP (which i still respect but again looking headline vs reality here)
Headline:
Trump warns of 'violence' if Republicans lose fall elections

Actual quote:
And he said if Democrats win, they "will overturn everything that we've done and they'll do it quickly and violently."

Now I will say that if he is talking about physical violence he is wrong, but he is referencing his legislative and regulatory accomplishments, so I doubt it was speaking of physical violence with the note that I have not read the speech in its entirety. You also can believe that IF the Democrats take the house back in November, they will be like mad dogs once January rolls around, Gingrich's 100 day plan from long ago will seem like a gentle breeze compared to their frenzied legislative attacks.

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So fear mongering is just your everyday political talk?

[QUOTE][Trump]He warned those gathered that, "you're one election away from losing everything you've got."[/QUOTE]


God damnit, why did I get back in this shit!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1198908]Are we in the misleading headlines section?
Here is the LA Times Headline:
Florida GOP's Ron DeSantis tells voters not to '[B] [U]monkey this up' by choosing his black opponent [/U] [/B]in governor's race

Here is the quote in the article:
Meanwhile, on Fox News, DeSantis called Gillum an “articulate” candidate, but said “[U][B]the last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting this state[/B].[/U] That is not going to work. It's not going to be good for Florida.”

Hmm one seems racist, while the other seems political (not racist)

Liberal media at it's finest my friends

The other while on Fox news is the AP (which i still respect but again looking headline vs reality here)
Headline:
Trump warns of 'violence' if Republicans lose fall elections

Actual quote:
And he said if Democrats win, they "will overturn everything that we've done and they'll do it quickly and violently."

Now I will say that if he is talking about physical violence he is wrong, but he is referencing his legislative and regulatory accomplishments, so I doubt it was speaking of physical violence with the note that I have not read the speech in its entirety. You also can believe that IF the Democrats take the house back in November, they will be like mad dogs once January rolls around, Gingrich's 100 day plan from long ago will seem like a gentle breeze compared to their frenzied legislative attacks.[/quote]

The word monkey should just not be in any Republican's vocabulary. I don't even care if you're talking about a trip to the zoo. It will get twisted and turned into a steaming pile of shit. What a joke.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1198908]Are we in the misleading headlines section?
Here is the LA Times Headline:
Florida GOP's Ron DeSantis tells voters not to '[B] [U]monkey this up' by choosing his black opponent [/U] [/B]in governor's race

Here is the quote in the article:
Meanwhile, on Fox News, DeSantis called Gillum an “articulate” candidate, but said “[U][B]the last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting this state[/B].[/U] That is not going to work. It's not going to be good for Florida.”

Hmm one seems racist, while the other seems political (not racist)

Liberal media at it's finest my friends

The other while on Fox news is the AP (which i still respect but again looking headline vs reality here)
Headline:
Trump warns of 'violence' if Republicans lose fall elections

Actual quote:
And he said if Democrats win, they "will overturn everything that we've done and they'll do it quickly and violently."

Now I will say that if he is talking about physical violence he is wrong, but he is referencing his legislative and regulatory accomplishments, so I doubt it was speaking of physical violence with the note that I have not read the speech in its entirety. You also can believe that IF the Democrats take the house back in November, they will be like mad dogs once January rolls around, Gingrich's 100 day plan from long ago will seem like a gentle breeze compared to their frenzied legislative attacks.[/quote]

This is the type of bullshit, race baiting fake news “journalism” that infuriates me. Horeshit race baiting. As a people everyone should be mad at this crap. Fake news

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[quote=Chico23231;1198911]This is the type of bullshit, race baiting fake news “journalism” that infuriates me. Horeshit race baiting. As a people everyone should be mad at this crap. Fake news[/quote]

I do think you have to be careful differentiating between bogus headlines - which serve liberal agenda's very well - and true fake news like CNN/WaPo's Lanni Davis fake news the other day.

Bogus headlines are intended to steer and manipulate emotions and the casual observer. The real Fake news is mostly intended to satiate the liberal base that needs to believe Trump is close to on his way out, and stoke their demons.

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[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180829/825331e2d835e01ccc5d90e811bf857f.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=MTK;1198927][IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180829/825331e2d835e01ccc5d90e811bf857f.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

see I find that hilarious, not because Obama's birth certificate is at issue, but because Libs can't get Trump's sarcasm. It's like all liberals are Sheldon when Trump speaks in sarcastic terms.

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Sarcasm? I was thinking more like hypocrisy. Maybe he needs to use the sarcasm font next time, apparently I'm too dumb to get it.

You do realize the birth certificate tweet was from 2012, and the tweet above was just recently.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1198910]The word monkey should just not be in any Republican's vocabulary. I don't even care if you're talking about a trip to the zoo. It will get twisted and turned into a steaming pile of shit. What a joke.[/quote]

Who says "monkey up" anyway? Screw up, mess up, fuck up, etc. Ok.

Monkey up? Honestly I've never heard that expression.

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[quote=MTK;1198934]Who says "monkey up" anyway? Screw up, mess up, fuck up, etc. Ok.

Monkey up? Honestly I've never heard that expression.[/quote]

Poor choice of words by anybody when speaking about anything involving black people. But in a world where Trump makes daily headlines for his poor choice of words it doesn't matter. He wasn't going to win the black vote anyways.

Also seriously Cred? I guess I don't know Trump well enough to detect his sarcasm. Are you saying the "don't trust anonymous sources" tweet was being sarcastic?

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[quote=MTK;1198934]Who says "monkey up" anyway? Screw up, mess up, fuck up, etc. Ok.

Monkey up? Honestly I've never heard that expression.[/quote]

I have no clue man. Maybe its a Florida thng? It would have been great if he said lets not fuck this thing up. That's some language Trump would approve up. I'm President Trump and i approve this message.

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Was Trump being sarcastic about this too? S/N, unless you think Fox News is as uncredible as the fake news media this should be a good source.

[yt]6XDJ3VxFAHk[/yt]

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[QUOTE=MTK;1198933]Sarcasm? I was thinking more like hypocrisy. Maybe he needs to use the sarcasm font next time, apparently I'm too dumb to get it.

You do realize the birth certificate tweet was from 2012, and the tweet above was just recently.[/QUOTE]Nope i didnt catch that... i thought he was retweeting it

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[quote=mooby;1198939]Was Trump being sarcastic about this too? S/N, unless you think Fox News is as uncredible as the fake news media this should be a good source.

[yt]6XDJ3VxFAHk[/yt][/quote]




[url]https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1034784475002150912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1034784475002150912&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.city-data.com%2Fforum%2Fpolitics-other-controversies%2F2915229-liars-incorporated-potus-lying-again-so-368.html%23post52947616[/url]

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1198940]Nope i didnt catch that... i thought he was retweeting it[/QUOTE]


Fair enough, I can see how you saw it that way

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[url]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180829/825331e2d835e01ccc5d90e811bf857f.jpg[/url]

[url]https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1034784475002150912[/url]

It's all making sense now. Fake news is real because he has insider experience creating fake news.

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Trump has certainly messed up some...nobody is perfect.

But he will have 6 more years to get it together

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[url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-is-denying-passports-to-americans-along-the-border-throwing-their-citizenship-into-question/ar-BBMCBPS?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ientp[/url]

Not-racism strikes again! Who knew birth certificate fraud was such a big problem?

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[quote=Chico23231;1198949]Trump has certainly messed up some...nobody is perfect.

But he will have 6 more years to get it together[/quote]

LOL,..............................................some????? :laughing2

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[quote=mooby;1198953][url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-is-denying-passports-to-americans-along-the-border-throwing-their-citizenship-into-question/ar-BBMCBPS?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ientp[/url]

Not-racism strikes again! Who knew birth certificate fraud was such a big problem?[/quote]

but but ,but the wall is gonna save us.....and they will pay! :goodjob:

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[quote=mooby;1198953][url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-is-denying-passports-to-americans-along-the-border-throwing-their-citizenship-into-question/ar-BBMCBPS?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ientp[/url]

Not-racism strikes again! Who knew birth certificate fraud was such a big problem?[/quote]
or fake news strikes again?

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/30/state-department-pushes-back-on-report-about-hispanics-being-denied-passports.html"]State Department pushes back on report about hispanics being denied passports[/URL]

[quote]The State Department is pushing back against a news report saying the Trump administration has ramped up efforts to deny passports to Hispanics who have U.S. citizenship but are suspected of possibly having fraudulent birth certificates.

In a statement to Fox News on Thursday, a State Department spokeswoman blasted the Washington Post over the story, saying passport denials in these cases are actually at a six-year low after peaking in 2015 during the Obama administration.


“The facts don’t back up the Washington Post’s reporting. This is an irresponsible attempt to create division and stoke fear among American citizens while attempting to inflame tensions over immigration,” said Heather Nauert, a State Department spokeswoman. “Under the Trump Administration, domestic passport denials for so called ‘midwife cases’ are at a 6-year low. The reporting is a political cheap shot.”

[/quote]

[IMG]http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/politics/2018/08/30/hispanics-with-us-birth-certificates-say-are-wrongly-being-denied-passports-in-fraud-crackdown/_jcr_content/article-text/article-par-10/inline_spotlight_ima/image.img.jpg/612/344/1535653662901.jpg?ve=1&tl=1[/IMG]

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BS

[URL="https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/30/trump-cancels-pay-raises-federal-workers-804574"]Trump gives middle finger to Federal workers[/URL]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1198983]or fake news strikes again?

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/30/state-department-pushes-back-on-report-about-hispanics-being-denied-passports.html"]State Department pushes back on report about hispanics being denied passports[/URL]



[IMG]http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/politics/2018/08/30/hispanics-with-us-birth-certificates-say-are-wrongly-being-denied-passports-in-fraud-crackdown/_jcr_content/article-text/article-par-10/inline_spotlight_ima/image.img.jpg/612/344/1535653662901.jpg?ve=1&tl=1[/IMG][/quote]

Are you really using a passports denied/passports issued graph to illustrate American citizens having their passports revoked because they can't prove their mothers lived in the US before birth?

S/N there might be some smoke on this whole monkey issue after all. I thought it was a matter of a dumbass using a poor choice of words, maybe being an admin of a racist FB group isn't the smartest move after all.

[URL]https://thinkprogress.org/florida-gop-gubernatorial-nominee-ron-desantis-admin-racist-anti-muslim-facebook-group-6e6d527c6fc2/[/URL]

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[quote=mooby;1199059]Are you really using a passports denied/passports issued graph to illustrate American citizens having their passports revoked because they can't prove their mothers lived in the US before birth?

S/N there might be some smoke on this whole monkey issue after all. I thought it was a matter of a dumbass using a poor choice of words, maybe being an admin of a racist FB group isn't the smartest move after all.

[URL]https://thinkprogress.org/florida-gop-gubernatorial-nominee-ron-desantis-admin-racist-anti-muslim-facebook-group-6e6d527c6fc2/[/URL][/quote]

The graph is from the state department and refers specifically to those passport denials/issuance that you were complaining about - unless you think we only 2000 passports this year.

Also gonna slow the roll on using thinkprogress as a legitimate group for judging bias.

another state dept graph.
[url]https://us-east-1.tchyn.io/snopes-production/uploads/2018/08/a-17.jpg[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1199071]The graph is from the state department and refers specifically to those passport denials/issuance that you were complaining about - unless you think we only 2000 passports this year.

Also gonna slow the roll on using thinkprogress as a legitimate group for judging bias.[/quote]

Are you denying that DeSantis is an admin on a racist facebook page?
I noticed that your article is from Foxnew, WTF man!!!

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[QUOTE=jamf;1199072]Are you denying that DeSantis is an admin on a racist facebook page?
I noticed that your article is from Foxnew, WTF man!!![/QUOTE]I am saying
1) every conservative remotely supportive of trump is going to be attacked by standard liberal racial fearmongering.
2) i dont know about DeSantis' situation, but i do know the media regularly lies, exaggerates or manipulates the facts and i do expect this is one of those cases

The media has 0 credibility on these sort of stories because they have repeatedly shown their bias.

I dont know much about facebook, but like most of the internet, i assume that if DeSantis was posting rascist crap some one will dig up those posts and put them out there. I doubt facebook is using bleachbit software on their servers to save DeSantis' behind.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1199094]I am saying
1) every conservative remotely supportive of trump is going to be attacked by standard liberal racial fearmongering.
2) i dont know about DeSantis' situation, but i do know the media regularly lies, exaggerates or manipulates the facts and i do expect this is one of those cases

The media has 0 credibility on these sort of stories because they have repeatedly shown their bias.

I dont know much about facebook, but like most of the internet, i assume that if DeSantis was posting rascist crap some one will dig up those posts and put them out there. I doubt facebook is using bleachbit software on their servers to save DeSantis' behind.[/quote]

Fact ,it's not the media bias but your own and you just blame it on the media.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1199071]The graph is from the state department and refers specifically to those passport denials/issuance that you were complaining about - unless you think we only 2000 passports this year.

Also gonna slow the roll on using thinkprogress as a legitimate group for judging bias.

another state dept graph.
[url]https://us-east-1.tchyn.io/snopes-production/uploads/2018/08/a-17.jpg[/url][/quote]

I concede this argument.

I also concede thinkprogress is not the best source. They have photographic evidence of the group (which you can research if you really don't think is that bad) posting support for DeSantis and also saying he's an admin for the group. Rather than say thinkprogress is not a good source, why don't you look at the evidence and judge the content from that?

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[quote=Giantone;1199096]Fact ,it's not the media bias but your own and you just blame it on the media.[/quote]

as i said in the media bias, I am a private citizen with the right and freedom to express my bias. I don't hide it, or claim to be a republican while spouting socialist/liberal ideas in every argument.

The media/journalists who want to be treated as above the fray, need to be held to a higher standard. period.

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[quote=mooby;1199100]I concede this argument.

I also concede thinkprogress is not the best source. They have photographic evidence of the group (which you can research if you really don't think is that bad) posting support for DeSantis and also saying he's an admin for the group. Rather than say thinkprogress is not a good source, why don't you look at the evidence and judge the content from that?[/quote]

I did look at several versions, and wasn't really impressed with it, but honestly my disputes are gonna get razzed here, and blown out of context, not by you.

I don't know anything about Facebook, I have never had an account, so this is from Tampa Bay's newspaper:
[quote]
Republican candidate for governor Ron DeSantis says he knew nothing about a racist Facebook page that liberal groups claimed he moderated, the Tampa Bay Times is reporting.

DeSantis' membership in the 95,000-member Tea Party group was first noted by American Ledger, a website run by the liberal group American Bridge.

A DeSantis spokesman denied that DeSantis had ever been an administrator of the group or that he even knew he was a member. He immediately left the page when notified about the matter, the spokesman said.

A Facebook user can be added to a page without his or her knowledge and does not have to approve themselves becoming an administrator to groups.[/quote]
I saw people saying the last part is true, and the last part is false.

I also know it was called the Tea Party, though had nothing to do with the political Tea Party.

I had looked at the Snopes account, which had a screen grab that said the profile was added by another person, and that a member who promoted voting him is the one that said he is an admin. Again, I don't know enough about Facebook to know if these things can happen without his knowledge.
Snopes has this as a reference quote though:
[quote]Facebook groups allow anyone with a Facebook account who is a member of the group to arbitrarily add any other Facebook user to a group without asking first as long as that user is on his or her friends list.

Whether your addition to a group by someone on your friends list was meant to benefit you or was done maliciously, you aren’t given the opportunity to opt-in. You are in.[/quote] I would think that has to be a group based setting, but don't know

So bottomline for me, he is running for Florida governor, I will never interact with him in any meaningful way. If the people of Florida elect him, then let them do their due diligence, but for me it smells like typical media oversell.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1199102]as i said in the media bias, I am a private citizen with the right and freedom to express my bias. I don't hide it, or claim to be a republican while spouting socialist/liberal ideas in every argument.

The media/journalists who want to be treated as above the fray, need to be held to a higher standard. period.[/quote]

.................maybe you do,maybe the trump cult should be held to a simple standard since they seem un willing to stand up for what is right.Maybe the people that hide behind the false narrative that it's the media to blame for all their woes in life when in reality it's just them ,yes it can be that simple . Many in the trump cult just do not accept responsibility for their part in the disaster in the WH.


Yet those who want to hide will hide and blame the media and not take responsibility for their own actions.

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credskinsrule, to clarify. you will get an invitation to join a group., its up to you. you can not be added, unless you ok it

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[quote=mooby;1199100]I concede this argument.

I also concede thinkprogress is not the best source. They have photographic evidence of the group (which you can research if you really don't think is that bad) posting support for DeSantis and also saying he's an admin for the group. Rather than say thinkprogress is not a good source, why don't you look at the evidence and judge the content from that?[/quote]

He won't and even if he did he would never admit it,................it's called a personal bias.

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[quote=dmek25;1199111]credskinsrule, to clarify. you will get an invitation to join a group., its up to you. you can not be added, unless you ok it[/quote]

That's what I would expect, but are there settings for groups that let others add you, or is it always required to consent? The Snopes article seems to say that some groups can have a setting that allows for what I'll call third party adds.

Second, could an aide or even his wife have added him and he not known? He's not claiming that, and it certainly wouldn't be a good thing for a man wanting to be governor to not know what his staff or wife is getting him into.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1199115]That's what I would expect, but are there settings for groups that let others add you, or is it always required to consent? The Snopes article seems to say that some groups can have a setting that allows for what I'll call third party adds.

Second, could an aide or even his wife have added him and he not known? He's not claiming that, and it certainly wouldn't be a good thing for a man wanting to be governor to not know what his staff or wife is getting him into.[/quote]

Anybody who has access to a person's login can do things on that person's behalf, but it'd be highly suspect to add him as an admin on a page he wanted nothing to do with.

The group can send him an invite to join, or send him an invite to be an admin, but it is blatantly false that you can be added to groups as a member or an admin without your consent.

TL;DR it's sabotage, or he is an admin for a racist group on FB. He could always have been hacked too, but if someone would go to those lengths they'd probably do more than just add him as an admin for a group.