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[quote=punch it in;1286645]Those are two totally different cases and it doesn’t matter who is President for God’s sake. Not to mention that the man you are putting up on a pedestal is probably responsible for half, if not more, of the new anti vaxx dipshits. At least Biden isn’t denying it exists for 7 months. Meanwhile Florida is raging with covid. Perhaps you have a meme or a YouTube video to explain why DeShithead is doing such a great job now?[/quote]

The delta variant cases are up everywhere, it’s bad everywhere and especially Florida. People who didn’t get vaccinated are paying the price. I don’t know if it will reach cases per day of California…what was that 60k, 80k? Or if the death per capita will be as bad as leader in the clubhouse New Jersey. Let’s hope not, right? Also seeing this drives vaccination numbers up as well, silver linings in a climbing cases.


I tell ya, some fascinating data abroad is Britain. Man, Neil Furgerson has taken a beating. hoping that happens here, not beatings, but quick falling of cases.

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[quote=MTK;1286759]Considering where NY was in the beginning of all this compared to where it is now, how can we the response wasn't an effective one overall? (Yes, the nursing home fiasco was a disaster.)[/quote]

How was the play Mrs. Lincoln?

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[quote=Chico23231;1286764]How was the play Mrs. Lincoln?[/quote]

He needs to step down asap

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[quote=MTK;1286776]He needs to step down asap[/quote]

He needs to step down because of how he handled COVID, but I guess his sexual harassments are what will do him in. (BTW the New Jersey and possibly the Michigan governors should also step down).

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[quote=nonniey;1286778]He needs to step down because of how he handled COVID, but I guess his sexual harassments are what will do him in. (BTW the New Jersey and possibly the Michigan governors should also step down).[/quote]

But DeSantis is doing a good job?

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[quote=nonniey;1286778]He needs to step down because of how he handled COVID, but I guess his sexual harassments are what will do him in. (BTW the New Jersey and possibly the Michigan governors should also step down).[/quote]
Why, it seems you ignored Florida and Texas.

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[quote=MTK;1286759]Considering where NY was in the beginning of all this compared to where it is now, how can we the response wasn't an effective one overall? (Yes, the nursing home fiasco was a disaster.)[/quote]

TO DATE
New York: Population 20.4 million; 54K Covid deaths.
Florida: Population 26 million; 39K Covid deaths.

65 and Over Population:
New York: 3.1 Million
Florida: 4.4 Milliion

... but, sure, New York has "overall" had an effective response. <sarcasm font off>

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1286783]TO DATE
New York: Population 20.4 million; 54K Covid deaths.
Florida: Population 26 million; 39K Covid deaths.

65 and Over Population:
New York: 3.1 Million
Florida: 4.4 Milliion

... but, sure, New York has "overall" had an effective response. <sarcasm font off>[/quote]


I wouldn't look at either situation as a win really.

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[quote=MTK;1286776]He needs to step down asap[/quote]

He is quite a character. A lotta bigly swag

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[quote=Chico23231;1286785]He is quite a character. A lotta bigly swag[/quote]

Yeah and the staunch Trumpers out there should really get some self awareness when it comes to shitting on Cuomo today. They're both big time creeps.

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[quote=Giantone;1286781]Why, it seems you ignored Florida and Texas.[/quote]

Oh because of this.
[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/[/url]

When Texas or Florida start having above average deaths for their infection rate and their population size then I will.

DeSantis policy from the beginning was to protect the most vulnerable populations while keeping his State's economy running. That has been and remains largely a success. Even given the expanded infection rate the mortality rate with those infected remains below average. Rates for those infected dying in those two states are about the same as those in California the differences is those two states did not shut their economies down. This also shows that lock-downs won't stop or even slow the spread of the virus. The left want DeSantis to implement the lock down policies that failed in their states and are bit infuriated that he's not (which highlights their failure). What is failing in Florida and Texas is vaccinations which you can't blame Desantis for (You can blame Trump and his anti vax idiot followers though).

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[quote=MTK;1286784]I wouldn't look at either situation as a win really.[/quote]

Sure, neither is a win. ... but then don't tell me New York has had an effective strategy "overall" after repeatedly blasting Florida's response. Even with the latest surge and a larger at risk population, Florida will end up with a lower death total both in raw numbers and per capita.

... I mean, I just glanced at the thread and you're shitting all over DeSantis. I don't give a flying fuck about him, but your intellectual dishonesty in advancing your chosen narrative is nothing new to this whole debate.

You aren't the first and won't be the last to just ignore inconvenient facts that don't support whatever point you are trying to make - whether it's insulting the "dumbs" or claiming vaccines kill more than covid. The gaslighting, intentional ignorance, intolerance, and just plain tribalism involved from both sides is exhausting.

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[quote=MTK;1286786]Yeah and the staunch Trumpers out there should really get some self awareness when it comes to shitting on Cuomo today. They're both big time creeps.[/quote]
Notice Dems calling out Cuomo, what Republicans called out trump???

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[quote=Giantone;1286789]Notice Dems calling out Cuomo, what Republicans called out trump???[/quote]

😂!

There is a staunch difference, mainly the Fawning coverage. Let me know if we need those receipts from last year

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[quote=Giantone;1286789]Notice Dems calling out Cuomo, what Republicans called out trump???[/quote]

I'm a Republican - see my posts. Romney is a Republican, McConnel is a Republican, Cheney is a Republican, etc.etc. etc. As a percentage I'd say just as few Dems call out Cuomo as Reps call out Trump.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1286788]Sure, neither is a win. ... but then don't tell me New York has had an effective strategy "overall" after repeatedly blasting Florida's response. Even with the latest surge and a larger at risk population, Florida will end up with a lower death total both in raw numbers and per capita.

... I mean, I just glanced at the thread and you're shitting all over DeSantis. I don't give a flying fuck about him, but your intellectual dishonesty in advancing your chosen narrative is nothing new to this whole debate.

You aren't the first and won't be the last to just ignore inconvenient facts that don't support whatever point you are trying to make - whether it's insulting the "dumbs" or claiming vaccines kill more than covid. The gaslighting, intentional ignorance, intolerance, and just plain tribalism involved from both sides is exhausting.[/quote]

This started because someone said Florida had the right response and NY got it wrong. My dislike for DeSantis goes deeper than just his handling of covid. In the end thousands are dead in both states but some seem more interested in keeping score or receipts. As far as NY's response something worked since last year right? NY was the epicenter at the beginning of all this. So did mask mandates, quarantines, and pushing the vaccine work in getting things back on track or nah?

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[quote=nonniey;1286791]I'm a Republican - see my posts. Romney is a Republican, McConnel is a Republican, Cheney is a Republican, etc.etc. etc. As a percentage I'd say just as few Dems call out Cuomo as Reps call out Trump.[/quote]

So am I but except for(not sure) Cheney none of them called out trump for his sexual assaults' .

The 26 women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct
[url]https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1286793][B]So am I [/B]but except for(not sure) Cheney none of them called out trump for his sexual assaults' .

The 26 women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct
[url]https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12[/url][/quote]

[IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/p0RDMJGgMXF96/giphy.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=MTK;1286792]This started because someone said Florida had the right response and NY got it wrong. My dislike for DeSantis goes deeper than just his handling of covid. In the end thousands are dead in both states but some seem more interested in keeping score or receipts. As far as NY's response something worked since last year right? NY was the epicenter at the beginning of all this. So did mask mandates, quarantines, and pushing the vaccine work in getting things back on track or nah?[/quote]

I was that someone and then I provided the data that proved what I was saying. You may dislike DeSantis (I don't like him cozying up to Trump, I actually have a major problem over that) but you really can't criticize his handling of COVID (yet - I'll give you yet).

Coronavirus (political)
 

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1286788]Sure, neither is a win. ... but then don't tell me New York has had an effective strategy "overall" after repeatedly blasting Florida's response. Even with the latest surge and a larger at risk population, Florida will end up with a lower death total both in raw numbers and per capita.

... I mean, I just glanced at the thread and you're shitting all over DeSantis. I don't give a flying fuck about him, but your intellectual dishonesty in advancing your chosen narrative is nothing new to this whole debate.

You aren't the first and won't be the last to just ignore inconvenient facts that don't support whatever point you are trying to make - whether it's insulting the "dumbs" or claiming vaccines kill more than covid. The gaslighting, intentional ignorance, intolerance, and just plain tribalism involved from both sides is exhausting.[/QUOTE]


The entire state of Florida has roughly as many people in it as the city of Manhattan. You think maybe that crowds might have something to do with the spread when comparing deaths per capita or in raw numbers?

The at risk population or the older folks you are referencing in Florida are also the most likely to get vaccinated, and were the first to get vaccinated. They also do not gather at clubs, or elsewhere and rage the night away. They stay in alot and are in bed at 5 pm. It is much more likely the virus spreads among the younger, gathering crowds like you see in NYC.

Seems like you are ignoring inconvenient facts that don’t support whatever point it is you are trying to make, but you aren’t the first and won’t be the last a wiseman once said…..

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1286754]Still here. Let me know when any info comes out that his policies, repeat his policies, have been detrimental. Florida having has a low vaccination rate which is causing their disproportionate spike in COIVD, however the idiots not getting a vaccine aren't following his policies. (BTW you never did answer the question - Do you still think Cuomo did a good job with COVID? Or your own governor for that matter? (Both of whose policy decisions lead to massive death increases due to COVID))[/QUOTE]


What policy led to a massive death increase in New Jersey or New York?

Like others on this thread you are comparing two of the most densely populated states in the country to Florida. You are still trying so hard to say the Democratic leaders fucked up yet Texas and Florida- two Republican led states where there are not people living on top of people are responsible right now for one third of new cases in the entire country.

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If I read one more comment about NJ or NY being the problem ,….
Lets put 1000 people in a small room and 100 people in a big room and see what happens with the spread?
Come on people. Florida and Texas are a little easier to socially distance in than NYC or NJ. Take that into consideration before trying to let DeShithead and Texas off the hook. Not that we need to because even with NYC and NJ up against it as far as schematics go Florida and Texas are STILL leading the charge here.

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now i got start wearing a mask at work again

thanks un-vaccinated you are the fawking best

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[quote=punch it in;1286812]What policy led to a massive death increase in New Jersey or New York?

Like others on this thread you are comparing two of the most densely populated states in the country to Florida. You are still trying so hard to say the Democratic leaders fucked up yet Texas and Florida- two Republican led states where there are not people living on top of people are responsible right now for one third of new cases in the entire country.[/quote]

Thing is, what happen in the beginning and what is happening now are two different things. Texas and Florida want to say see this is what we did but with this new variant it's not working and the ignorance of the government Officials and lack of awareness in the public in those two states is killing people. Everyone one wants to be freaking right when they should just want what is best and safe.

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[quote=punch it in;1286806]The entire state of Florida has roughly as many people in it as the city of Manhattan. You think maybe that crowds might have something to do with the spread when comparing deaths per capita or in raw numbers?

The at risk population or the older folks you are referencing in Florida are also the most likely to get vaccinated, and were the first to get vaccinated. They also do not gather at clubs, or elsewhere and rage the night away. They stay in alot and are in bed at 5 pm. It is much more likely the virus spreads among the younger, gathering crowds like you see in NYC.

Seems like you are ignoring inconvenient facts that don’t support whatever point it is you are trying to make, but you aren’t the first and won’t be the last a wiseman once said…..[/quote]


Can I add, NYC gets on average 1.6 million people a day from outside the city and suburbs...a day Florida or Texas does not have that concentration in a small spot like NYC ,.....big difference......bigly!!!

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Typical. People can see the data and review the policies instituted… yet dismiss it cause it doesn’t line up politically

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[quote=nonniey;1286791]I'm a Republican - see my posts. Romney is a Republican, McConnel is a Republican, Cheney is a Republican, etc.etc. etc. As a percentage I'd say just as few Dems call out Cuomo as Reps call out Trump.[/quote]

Literally everywhere Dems are calling out Cuomo for his behavior now.

Who could've imagined opinions would change as new reports and insights into his behavior are released?

:rolleyes:

I'm still waiting for his supporters to call out Trump for his behavior which has been thoroughly well-documented.

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Looking at the total # of cases and deaths I am still not seeing why DeSantis should be praised while criticizing Cuomo at the same time, but I'm moving on. People are going to believe whatever they want.

In the end we all want the same thing right? To move past this and resume some sort of normal, whatever that is. But the fact is we're not going to get past it until more people are fully vaccinated. Those are the people we should be focused on right now. All this fighting between people who are doing the right things just isn't necessary. If you're vaxxed and mask up when needed I don't have a problem with you. If you're anti-mask and anti-vaxx, yeah I have a problem with you.

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[quote=mooby;1286819]Literally everywhere Dems are calling out Cuomo for his behavior now.

Who could've imagined opinions would change as new reports and insights into his behavior are released?

:rolleyes:

I'm still waiting for his supporters to call out Trump for his behavior which has been thoroughly well-documented.[/quote]

Cuomo definitely doesn't have any allies left. I haven't heard anyone come out and support him. But yeah we're supposed to believe from the right that they called out Trump just the same. FFS.

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[quote=nonniey;1286795]I was that someone and then I provided the data that proved what I was saying. You may dislike DeSantis (I don't like him cozying up to Trump, I actually have a major problem over that) but you really can't criticize his handling of COVID (yet - I'll give you yet).[/quote]

[url]https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-03-19/florida-desantis-covid-awful[/url]

Column: Dear news media, Fla. Gov. DeSantis’ COVID record isn’t a success, but a failure

This is newer.............


[url]https://www.newsweek.com/wrong-headed-miami-beach-mayor-blames-desantis-after-florida-sets-covid-19-case-record-1615052[/url]

POLITICS
'Wrong-Headed': Miami Beach Mayor Blames DeSantis After Florida Sets COVID-19 Case Record

Miami Beach Mayor Dan Gelber blamed Florida Governor Ron DeSantis after the state reported 21,683 new COVID-19 cases Saturday, its highest single-day total during the ongoing pandemic.

"We're not allowed to have mask mandates now, we were one of the first cities to require it and we charged a fine just to get people to do it. The governor stopped allowing us to do it and then immediately we saw a surge across our county and state when he did that," Gelber told CNN.

The Democratic mayor said city officials are "trying to do everything we can to get around the governor's very wrong-headed desires."

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[quote=mooby;1286819]Literally everywhere Dems are calling out Cuomo for his behavior now.

Who could've imagined opinions would change as new reports and insights into his behavior are released?

:rolleyes:

I'm still waiting for his supporters to call out Trump for his behavior which has been thoroughly well-documented.[/quote]

“But trump”…I guess I won’t hear a SS rant about whataboutism…

Let’s look at the last 10-15 years of New York State Democrats and their sexual harassment, Elliot Spitz, Anthony Weiner and Cuomo. David Paterson also involved had multiple sexual harassment incidents since leaving office. I’m not even listing state legislators in New York

It’s clear, the Democratic Party in the state of New York is complicit in this behavior. Period

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[quote=MTK;1286824]Cuomo definitely doesn't have any allies left. I haven't heard anyone come out and support him. But yeah we're supposed to believe from the right that they called out Trump just the same. FFS.[/quote]

chico thinks they have.

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[quote=Chico23231;1286826]“But trump”…I guess I won’t hear a SS rant about whataboutism…

Let’s look at the last 10-15 years of New York State Democrats and their sexual harassment, Elliot Spitz, Anthony Weiner and Cuomo. David Paterson also involved had multiple sexual harassment incidents since leaving office. I’m not even listing state legislators in New York

It’s clear, the Democratic Party in the state of New York is complicit in this behavior. Period[/quote]

...............right on time!

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Back to overwhelming the healthcare system again, no lessons learned apparently

[URL="https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5452766001"]Delta variant is "ripping through the unvaccinated" and crowding hospitals in Florida and Texas[/URL]

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Odd to see people attacking NY for its response.It was the epicenter 1.5 years ago when we all were struggling to understand this unknown future.

Imagine their numbers if they didnt shut down, didnt require masks, kept schools open etc ...

Just weird.

"How dare you take this global crisis serious!!"

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[quote=SunnySide;1286842]Odd to see people attacking NY for its response.It was the epicenter 1.5 years ago when we all were struggling to understand this unknown future.

Imagine their numbers if they didnt shut down, didnt require masks, kept schools open etc ...

Just weird.

"How dare you take this global crisis serious!!"[/quote]

Odd was the media fawning over the sexually assaulting Gov with his death rates high and policy responses such as packing covid patients into nursing homes, keeping the kids in school longer than other metropolitan area resisting calls to do so([url]https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/03/15/de-blasio-nyc-schools-will-close-as-of-monday-may-not-reopen-this-year-1267141[/url]), not cleaning the subway until May well after the pandemic, etc

I guess we giving Trump a pass too because we were all struggling to understand what was going on?

I do empathize with Cuomo as it was an extremely tough situation to navigate, but I think everyone was taking the pandemic seriously while hoping for the best.



Id still like to see a commission set up and a full investigation into New York State Democratic Party to why they keep enabling sexual harassing leaders. This seems to be the Catholic Church part 2.

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[quote=Chico23231;1286843]Odd was the media fawning over the sexually assaulting Gov with his death rates high and policy responses such as packing covid patients into nursing homes, keeping the kids in school longer than other metropolitan area resisting calls to do so([url]https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/03/15/de-blasio-nyc-schools-will-close-as-of-monday-may-not-reopen-this-year-1267141[/url]), not cleaning the subway until May well after the pandemic, etc

I guess we giving Trump a pass too because we were all struggling to understand what was going on?

I do empathize with Cuomo as it was an extremely tough situation to navigate, but I think everyone was taking the pandemic seriously while hoping for the best.



Id still like to see a commission set up and a full investigation into New York State Democratic Party to why they keep enabling sexual harassing leaders. This seems to be the Catholic Church part 2.[/quote]

chico,trump is hiring.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1286843]Odd was the media fawning over the sexually assaulting Gov with his death rates high and policy responses such as packing covid patients into nursing homes, keeping the kids in school longer than other metropolitan area resisting calls to do so([url]https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/03/15/de-blasio-nyc-schools-will-close-as-of-monday-may-not-reopen-this-year-1267141[/url]), not cleaning the subway until May well after the pandemic, etc

I guess we giving Trump a pass too because we were all struggling to understand what was going on?

I do empathize with Cuomo as it was an extremely tough situation to navigate, but I think everyone was taking the pandemic seriously while hoping for the best.



Id still like to see a commission set up and a full investigation into New York State Democratic Party to why they keep enabling sexual harassing leaders. This seems to be the Catholic Church part 2.[/QUOTE]


Except Trump actually knew because he was the fuckin President. Remember the tape where you actually heard him very early on admit it was a very bad virus and highly contagious? Right before he lied over and over again and downplayed the danger? Remember that minor fucking detail? Jesus fuckin Christ Chico Ill make it really simple for you.
Yes Trump royally screwed up the response to the pandemic.
No there is nobody else that even came close to screwing up the Covid response like that moron.
Take the fuckin loss already it is embarrassing that you are still trying to blame everyone else except him.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1286818]Typical. People can see the data and review the policies instituted… yet dismiss it cause it doesn’t line up politically[/QUOTE]


You are obviously referring to Texas and Florida here?

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[quote=SunnySide;1286842]Odd to see people attacking NY for its response.It was the epicenter 1.5 years ago when we all were struggling to understand this unknown future.

Imagine their numbers if they didnt shut down, didnt require masks, kept schools open etc ...

Just weird.

"How dare you take this global crisis serious!!"[/quote]

Come on now just google the COVID nursing home deaths in New York, New Jersey etc. and why it happened (Political contributions were involved) . That is the primary reason the death rate was so high in those states -not because it was the early epicenter. Additionally lockdown states did no better with Covid stats (and the aforementioned did a whole lot worse) than States that didn't lock down.