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[quote=AnonEmouse;1277637]I meant with any of our picks, but yeah, particularly #19. For me they have to go into the draft with the BPA/best fills a need with every pick, even if it means no QB. I agree in principle with the idea of drafting a QB every year, but only if there's a guy you truly believe has at least backup potential.[/quote]

I don't look at the quarterback position any different from other positions when it comes to the draft. I don't want them reaching for LB, WR, etc. in any round if he's not the best player on their board. Same with QB.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277644]I don't look at the quarterback position any different from other positions when it comes to the draft. I don't want them reaching for LB, WR, etc. in any round if he's not the best player on their board. Same with QB.[/quote]

I like your thinking ... where would Haskins been drafted based on BPA ... maybe late 2cnd or 3rd round ?

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277644]I don't look at the quarterback position any different from other positions when it comes to the draft. I don't want them reaching for LB, WR, etc. in any round if he's not the best player on their board. [B]Same with QB.[/B][/quote]

Nope. Choosing the WFT Franchise QB is the exclusive right of Mr. Snyder, Owner. This will never change because it is a major component of Snyder's power trip of owning an NFL team.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1277657]Nope. Choosing the WFT Franchise QB is the exclusive right of Mr. Snyder, Owner. This will never change because it is a major component of Snyder's power trip of owning an NFL team.[/quote]

Ugh.

I really hope we're past that, but who knows. I suppose we will find out over the next couple years.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277658]Ugh.

I really hope we're past that, but who knows. I suppose we will find out over the next couple years.[/quote]

Riverboat Ron ain’t no Jay “Purple Nurple” Gruden little bitch. If Dan starts getting handsy in the war room, Ron’s gonna beat that ass.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1277686]Riverboat Ron ain’t no [B]Jay “Purple Nurple” Gruden little bitch[/B]. If Dan starts getting hands in the war room, Ron’s gonna beat that ass.[/quote]

:goodjob:

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

What we have to remember is Snyder had to convince Rivera to come here, and gave him assurances about control to do that. While he can maintain an improvement and a degree of success, Snyder isn't going to rock the boat because he knows Rivera will just walk. He's an established coach, with a rich NFL resume, well respected, wealthy and just got over cancer. He doesn't have any need to take any shit so he's far more likely to walk than give up ground to Snyder. And if Snyder loses Rivera like that, he'll never convince another top coach to come here.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=AnonEmouse;1277693]What we have to remember is Snyder had to convince Rivera to come here, and gave him assurances about control to do that. While he can maintain an improvement and a degree of success, Snyder isn't going to rock the boat because he knows Rivera will just walk. He's an established coach, with a rich NFL resume, well respected, wealthy and just got over cancer. He doesn't have any need to take any shit so he's far more likely to walk than give up ground to Snyder. And if Snyder loses Rivera like that, he'll never convince another top coach to come here.[/quote]

Well said, I wish some of the previous coaches had the spine to say "I have control or I quit" , Shanahan for instance...... I would hope Snyder realises that if he screws this up one more time he will never have a successful team, but I won't bet my house on it

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=AnonEmouse;1277693]What we have to remember is Snyder had to convince Rivera to come here, and gave him assurances about control to do that. While he can maintain an improvement and a degree of success, Snyder isn't going to rock the boat because he knows Rivera will just walk. He's an established coach, with a rich NFL resume, well respected, wealthy and just got over cancer. He doesn't have any need to take any shit so he's far more likely to walk than give up ground to Snyder. And if Snyder loses Rivera like that, he'll never convince another top coach to come here.[/quote]

To add to that, now more than ever, Snyder needs the team to win and for him to NOT be the focus of media. Given all the legal issues and the fight with the team's co-owners, the last thing Snyder wants is the spotlight on him.

And while it is right for us to be cautiously optimistic, there are plenty of moves which would have NEVER happen before, such as:

- Releasing AP
- Moving on from the likes of Eric Schaefer and Kyle Smith
- Getting rid of Haskins

Let's hope this continues.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

I actually have a feeling RR will outlast DS at WTF...

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1277717]To add to that, now more than ever, Snyder needs the team to win and for him to NOT be the focus of media. Given all the legal issues and the fight with the team's co-owners, the last thing Snyder wants is the spotlight on him.

And while it is right for us to be cautiously optimistic, there are plenty of moves which would have NEVER happen before, such as:

- Releasing AP
- Moving on from the likes of Eric Schaefer and Kyle Smith
- Getting rid of Haskins

Let's hope this continues.[/quote]

For me, the Stanford move showed Dan was not involved. Once the bidding started, we didn’t up our offer, which means Dan didn’t offer way too much so he could “win”.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[url]https://www.pff.com/news/draft-trey-lance-college-football-2021-nfl-draft-profile-north-dakota-state[/url]

Nice write up here

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Just a random observation regarding the QB position in today’s NFL. For all intents and purposes, a QB that is able to move exceedingly well and run outside the pocket is a must, to the exclusion of all others, like Mac Jones. And quarterbacks in the Russel Wilson mold seem to be much sought and preferred.

In the face of all that, who is the apparent GOAT at that position, who was drafted in the sixth round because of athletic shortcomings? And who just won the Super Bowl as the classic traditional pocket passer he has always been? So despite our excitement about the athleticism of the current crop of candidates, we would be well served that good wheels are not necessarily a reliable predictor of QB success. We would broaden our consideration to those who are tough minded, able to read the defense well, who have a quick release and accuracy even under stress, and who sport a high football IQ. I’m thinking that these qualities are undervalued as we look at QB candidates, and are more likely found in the later rounds of the draft.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

While I agree in principle, Brady is almost one of a kind. He's a football genius to the point of often being able to predict exactly what a defence will do pre-snap; he studies much harder than many QB's. When he came out of college the league was still very much built around pocket passers and a run game. With more passing and more athletic DL (Sweat is probably fast enough to play S!), being mobile is essential without those skills and intangibles. Brady can move in and around the pocket to extend a play somewhat, but he's not going to get you 15 yards when your receivers are covered and a big hole opens up. He relies upon getting the ball out fast and not just that, to the guy with the best chance of making the desired yardage. He's great at PA which, with a good enough running game allows him to put defenders out of position, just as much as he's able to do so with his eyes etc.

From what I can see, even Mahomes didn't come out of college with some of those skills. He too is a good study and fast learner, but the SB showed that no natter how athletic you are, you have to have the football brain to make adjustments etc. College QB's with good mobility are sought after because while the coaching plans to bring through those skills, their mobility can get them out of trouble and extend plays.

I bet if Brady had played week 1 after he was drafted he might have been buried and never heard from again. He had a season and 2 games behind Bledsoe and likely wouldn't have started at all that second season had Bledsoe not gone down. And then it took him 5 games to get into his stride. He was given time to learn and mature into the role which he did with aplomb once he got going. It's said Mahomes year behind AS did him the world of good. But NFL teams now don't/won't show that patience with a rookie as a rule so they want a guy that can freelance if needs be while he learns and improves his game.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[url]https://riggosrag.com/2021/02/18/washington-football-team-should-avoid-half-measures-at-quarterback/[/url]

I say this too, roll with what we got and draft Trey Lance if we can move up a few spots to get him.

Fields will be long gone by pick 10

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1277771][url]https://riggosrag.com/2021/02/18/washington-football-team-should-avoid-half-measures-at-quarterback/[/url]

I say this too, roll with what we got and draft Trey Lance if we can move up a few spots to get him.

Fields will be long gone by pick 10[/quote]

Yep.. I have been saying this since day 1 of the offseason, we will roll with Heinicke/Allen/rookie QB or Smith. It's not the ideal option but we have very limited options so we just need to focus on strengthen whole team for the next QB.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1277771][url]https://riggosrag.com/2021/02/18/washington-football-team-should-avoid-half-measures-at-quarterback/[/url]

I say this too, roll with what we got and draft Trey Lance if we can move up a few spots to get him.

Fields will be long gone by pick 10[/quote]

Best article I’ve read in a minute. I’m in total agreement that we should be against mid tier free-agent pick ups. Definitely advocating for a top tier quarterback or ride with what we got and put those draft picks and free agent money into solidifying other position groups so we can go all out to attack for a top FA QB or trade up in the draft for a top prospect next year.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=SkinzWin;1277774]Best article I’ve read in a minute. I’m in total agreement that we should be against mid tier free-agent pick ups. Definitely advocating for a top tier quarterback or ride with what we got and put those draft picks and free agent money into solidifying other position groups so we can go all out to attack for a top FA QB or trade up in the draft for a top prospect next year.[/quote]

Still don't think they can just roll with Heinicke & Allen. Heinicke has been injured in every NFL game he has started, and Allen is coming off a bad ankle injury. Not exactly a dynamic duo. It's a dumb idea to roll with that, and it would be complete negligence. If they both got hurt, it's over.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

I think the article is recommending that if they can't sign a top-tier FA, or trade up for one of the top rookies, then they should save their resources and sign a low-priced free agent quarterback, rather than trade for Darnell, Mariota, etc.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277776]I think the article is recommending that if they can't sign a top-tier FA, or trade up for one of the top rookies, then they should save their resources and sign a low-priced free agent quarterback, rather than trade for Darnell, Mariota, etc.[/quote]

Yeah I didn’t articulate that the way I wanted reading my post again. I agree it would be negligent to not sign anyone else. But short of a top tier FA or draft pick, our target should be a low priced vet, not mortgaging draft picks or sizable cap space for a mid tier QB who will most likely not provide much, if any, real upside over our current QB tandem.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=SkinzWin;1277777]Yeah I didn’t articulate that the way I wanted reading my post again. I agree it would be negligent to not sign anyone else. But short of a top tier FA or draft pick, our target should be a low priced vet, not mortgaging draft picks or sizable cap space for a mid tier QB who will most likely not provide much, if any, real upside over our current QB tandem.[/quote]

Agreed.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

I wonder if the Jets are really ready to move on from Darnold. If so I bet we could get him for a 2nd or even a 3rd. I’d take a shot why not? Let’s be real, Gase is a QB ruiner

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Do not want Darnold and certainly would not give up a 2nd or 3rd for him . He isn't any better than what we already have. Lower tier starter at best. Also Gase isn't necessarily bad at scheming up offense. How is Scott Turner any better or how would he get anymore out of Darnold than Gase? Just makes no sense IMO.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

I would not give up draft picks for JAGS and hope they stick or outperform what we have. It was Stafford or bust.

Mariota, Darnold, Fitz.. NO. You got two guys in Allen and Heinike. You draft someone and under no circumstances bring back Smith.

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This is why if we can't get a guy we really want in a trade, that gives us a quality starter for 2-3 years at least, we should draft and pick up a 1 year rental like Fitz as a bridge. And a trade is looking less and less likely to me. If Allen and Heinicke are 100% for camp maybe 1 of then can start and run the offense at a good enough level for us to be competitive again, but to me it's too big an if. Bring in a vet to compete with them, then keep the best 2 plus a rookie. To me its low risk bringing in a 1 year FA rental as you're not thing up a ton of cap or draft picks on a trade for an equivalent talent (unless by some miracle you could snag Watson), and if the rookie is a bust, you try again next year.

Can't help feeling if we put all our eggs in the one basket of 2 injured QBs it could come back and bite us.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=AnonEmouse;1277782]This is why if we can't get a guy we really want in a trade, that gives us a quality starter for 2-3 years at least, we should draft and pick up a 1 year rental like Fitz as a bridge. And a trade is looking less and less likely to me. If Allen and Heinicke are 100% for camp maybe 1 of then can start and run the offense at a good enough level for us to be competitive again, but to me it's too big an if. Bring in a vet to compete with them, then keep the best 2 plus a rookie. To me its low risk bringing in a 1 year FA rental as you're not thing up a ton of cap or draft picks on a trade for an equivalent talent (unless by some miracle you could snag Watson), and if the rookie is a bust, you try again next year.

Can't help feeling if we put all our eggs in the one basket of 2 injured QBs it could come back and bite us.[/quote]

We have to try just about anything. I believe thinking you can roll with Allen and Heineke is a big mistake. Neither one of them is the answer IMHO.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1277781]I would not give up draft picks for JAGS and hope they stick or outperform what we have. It was Stafford or bust.

Mariota, Darnold, Fitz.. NO. You got two guys in Allen and Heinike. You draft someone and under no circumstances bring back Smith.[/quote]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of trading for anyone, but just rolling with Allen and Heinicke is not really a viable option.

They will likely add a QB before the draft and in the draft.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277784]Yeah, I'm not a fan of trading for anyone, but just rolling with Allen and Heinicke is not really a viable option.

They will likely add a QB before the draft and in the draft.[/quote]

I think a fourth for either Maritotta or Darnold wouldn’t be the end of the world and draft a developmental guy late might be a decent compromise.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1277785]I think a fourth for either Maritotta or Darnold wouldn’t be the end of the world and draft a developmental guy late might be a decent compromise.[/quote]

No, not the end of the world, but would they be significantly better than Taylor, Fitzpatrick, Dalton, Beathard, Winston, etc.? I don't think so - so why give up draft capital?

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Do we have any hope for the practice squad qb we had last year?

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Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277786]No, not the end of the world, but would they be significantly better than Taylor, Fitzpatrick, Dalton, Beathard, Winston, etc.? I don't think so - so why give up draft capital?[/quote]

Well I for one think that in a different situation they could be substantially better then they’ve been, but I know they may not be. But at the same time, a draft pick is a crap shoot too so I don’t see a real difference in the approach.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=MissouriSkin;1277788]Well I for one think that in a different situation they could be substantially better then they’ve been, but I know they may not be. But at the same time, a draft pick is a crap shoot too so I don’t see a real difference in the approach.[/quote]

To me the difference is picking up their contract vs getting a potential starter on a rookie contract.

I just think free agency is the best way to go if you're looking for a bridge QB.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1277787]Do we have any hope for the practice squad qb we had last year?

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Well they must have had some faith in him as they made him the#2 behind Heinicke when Smith couldn't go, but not enough to make him starter...

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=AnonEmouse;1277791]Well they must have had some faith in him as they made him the#2 behind Heinicke when Smith couldn't go, but not enough to make him starter...[/quote]

Well I think they did that because there was literally no other QB on the roster who could physically play.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=MissouriSkin;1277785]I think a fourth for either Maritotta or Darnold wouldn’t be the end of the world and draft a developmental guy late might be a decent compromise.[/quote]

If the WFT could have gotten Mariota for a fourth I think they may have already done that deal.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1277785]I think a fourth for either [B]Maritotta or Darnold[/B] wouldn’t be the end of the world and draft a developmental guy late might be a decent compromise.[/quote]


Of these two guys, I prefer Darnold. He's only had Adam Gase coaching in the NFL, which may be why his talent has been wasted. So a bounce back is more likely with him, than with Mariota, who has been around a while.

Now ... [B]for the right price[/B], I'd be ok with either of them, really. Although Darnold wins here again between these two, given he is still on his rookie contract.


Get one of these guys, draft a QB in the middle rounds, and let them all compete to see who makes up the QB room next fall. I like Heinicke a lot .. I've never been sold on Kyle Allen, which may not be fair. He was doing ok before he got Theismanned. Maybe he blossoms into something. But the competition would be great to have, especially in a year where we [I][U]should[/U][/I] get a better off season to actually see who can win the jobs.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

I agree I would take Darnold over MM. Sam has shown flashes of potential and he is more accurate than MM

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1277797][IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210220/151da5d1084a4625f9d920cc2108989a.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]Listening to the Alumni clip on the WFT name search site sure makes it sound like they are gonna keep washington football team. Such a stupid thing if they do. Doug Williams particularly doing his best suck up to the name, probably why he was kept around...

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Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277784]Yeah, I'm not a fan of trading for anyone, but just rolling with Allen and Heinicke is not really a viable option.

They will likely add a QB before the draft and in the draft.[/quote]

This might be most likely scenario, assuming you're talking about keeping Allen and Heinicke and adding a FA vet and a rookie draft pick without trading up for a 1st Round QB. I wouldn't mind this approach at all in this stage of our team build.