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[quote=Chico23231;794852]I think its absolutely amazing what im reading online that 4-5 QBs could be taking first round vs. the talent pool of QBs. wow[/quote]

I think it's more hype than reality. I think we'll see 3 go in the 1st for sure, 4 tops. Newton, Gabbert, Locker, and maybe Ponder near the bottom of the 1st. More likely Ponder goes top of the 2nd.

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[quote=Chico23231;794852]I think its absolutely amazing what im reading online that 4-5 QBs could be taking first round vs. the talent pool of QBs. wow[/quote]

Exactly, and honestly what happens if teams see their first choice of QB go early and possibly their second? You don't think they don't have a 3rd QB on their list for those teams really needing a QB?

For some reason I just get the feeling several will be gone possibly prior to our pick at #10. Panthers, Bills, Bengals, 49ers, Cardinals, all could use one and I have this bad feeling there is going to be a feeding frenzy all of a sudden. Maybe won't happen but I could see teams trying to get their QB situation settled early since there really is no clear cut winner sitting out front. Then there is the rumor the Vikes and Miami are trying to move up to get one.

Could all be bluff but I could actually see several go in the top 10.

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I think we're in a good spot no matter if a few qb's are taken in the top 10. If that's the case, we should have some real good position players available at our spot. That should garner some interest from other teams. Of course, we can select a top player there too. We're in a good spot. I'd like to see us accumulate some more picks but hey, either way, i'm ok.

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[quote=Chico23231;794852]I think its absolutely amazing what im reading online that 4-5 QBs could be taking first round vs. the talent pool of QBs. wow[/quote]

It's because of no free agency/player trades possible. With those, we would already have Vince Young, Minnesota would have Kevin Kolb, Arizona would have Carson Palmer, Titans would have Kyle Orton, Miami would have Donovan McNabb, etc (disclaimer: the preceding are all hypotheticals but you get my point)

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[quote=SmootSmack;794859]It's because of no free agency/player trades possible. With those, we would already have Vince Young, Minnesota would have Kevin Kolb, Arizona would have Carson Palmer, Titans would have Kyle Orton, Miami would have Donovan McNabb, etc (disclaimer: the preceding are all hypotheticals but you get my point)[/quote]

Good point. But from everything I've heard, teams aren't changing their approach to the draft based on the lack of free agency. At least that's what they are saying, we'll see if the draft actually reflects that.

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[quote=Mattyk;794860]Good point. But from everything I've heard, teams aren't changing their approach to the draft based on the lack of free agency. At least that's what they are saying, we'll see if the draft actually reflects that.[/quote]

Yeah I think that's BS. How can they not change their approach?

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[quote=SmootSmack;794859]It's because of no free agency/player trades possible. With those, we would already have Vince Young, Minnesota would have Kevin Kolb, Arizona would have Carson Palmer, Titans would have Kyle Orton, Miami would have Donovan McNabb, etc (disclaimer: the preceding are all hypotheticals but you get my point)[/quote]

Yeah, thats kinda what I thought...means some serious talent could slide.

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[quote=Mattyk;794855]I think it's more hype than reality. I think we'll see 3 go in the 1st for sure, 4 tops. Newton, Gabbert, Locker, and maybe Ponder near the bottom of the 1st. More likely Ponder goes top of the 2nd.[/quote]

Heard Dalton could be draft 1 round too...

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[quote=SmootSmack;794862]Yeah I think that's BS. How can they not change their approach?[/quote]

I think it makes some sense. I don't think teams will want to reach for a need. Especially at QB given the uncertainty of the CBA right now. There's just not going to be enough time to get a rookie ready to play right away. There's going to be free agency at some point, and when there is I think teams may end up overpaying or will be more aggressive than usual to get their guys.

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[quote=Mattyk;794865]I think it makes some sense. I don't think teams will want to reach for a need. Especially at QB given the uncertainty of the CBA right now. There's just not going to be enough time to get a rookie ready to play right away. There's going to be free agency at some point, and when there is I think teams may end up overpaying or will be more aggressive than usual to get their guys.[/quote]

See I think in a way not having enough time to get a rookie ready to play sort of helps. Because then, in our case for example, let's say everything was back to normal in July, we can play Grossman and not feel the pressure of starting Locker or even playing him right away because there's not that expectation of "oh you drafted this guy at 10, why aren't you playing him?"

It's almost like we're redshirting him for 2012.

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[quote=Mattyk;794865]I think it makes some sense. I don't think teams will want to reach for a need. Especially at QB given the uncertainty of the CBA right now. There's just not going to be enough time to get a rookie ready to play right away. There's going to be free agency at some point, and when there is I think teams may end up overpaying or will be more aggressive than usual to get their guys.[/quote]

Well said. I would add that there are few first-day starting QB's in the draft. So if you are hungry for a starter for next year, the draft likely will not help you, so there is no reason to reach for a QB.

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[quote=SmootSmack;794869]See I think in a way not having enough time to get a rookie ready to play sort of helps. Because then, in our case for example, let's say everything was back to normal in July, we can play Grossman and not feel the pressure of starting Locker or even playing him right away because there's not that expectation of "oh you drafted this guy at 10, why aren't you playing him?"

It's almost like we're redshirting him for 2012.[/quote]

Yeah it might help take away some of the pressure early on, but you know by midseason if the team is struggling, people will start calling for him regardless.

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True.

The one thing about this supposed run of QBs in the first round is that, if true, that means that someone who may have otherwise been a first rounder may slide down into the 2nd round. Say a Phil Taylor, for example. That could make our 2nd round pick pretty valuable where we could trade down that pick

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As you guys have said I think in normal situations teams would have traded for all those players limiting what they would have to do in the draft. If they didn't get the QB they had hoped they would get then they would simply draft one.

With out teams being able to trade for a position of need then I think teams almost have to draft for a position of need because they don't know if later they will be able to pick up the QB they were interested in due to someone else offering more money and taking that option away.

In other words the draft was the last resort to fill spots that were not filled through FA. In this situation this year the rolls will be reversed I feel. Teams will have to draft to fill positions and "if" a player becomes available later in FA then they can add to the spot.

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[quote=SmootSmack;794878]True.

The one thing about this supposed run of QBs in the first round is that, if true, that means that someone who may have otherwise been a first rounder may slide down into the 2nd round. Say a Phil Taylor, for example. That could make our 2nd round pick pretty valuable where we could trade down that pick[/quote]

Exactly. Maybe drop back in the 1st to pick up a late 1st and a 3rd rounder. Then drop back in the 2nd to a late round 2nd and pick up a 4th rounder.

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Side note- The draft commercial with Kiper on ESPN promoting the latest "Fast and Furious" debacle is soooo cheesy.

[quote=SBXVII;794851]I'm told ESPN mentioned today that the Skins are looking to drop back in the draft, which I think we all have heard, in order to pick up a 3rd round draft pick. Then their rumor was the Skins would take a DL in the 1st, QB Nevada Colin Kaepernick in the 2nd, and a OL in the 3rd.

Did anyone else hear this?[/quote]

If there is any substance to that rumour, it would correspond with what has been said about the Skins trading with St. Louis and moving to #14. That would probably yield a third round pick. But I doubt that the Skins would do that and pick a DL. If they want a DL, they could trade down farther, add a second round pick, and still get a solid DL.

I think the Skins would only do the trade with the Rams with the idea of picking a QB at #14. That's because they wouldn't want to go any lower in the first round and risk losing their guy to Miami or Jacksonville. Otherwise, why not try to get a deal in place with NE at #17 (NE would probably take Julio Jones) to pick up a second and a fourth?

The other question in this scenario is: why wouldn't the Skins be worried about Minnesota picking their guy at QB? The answer may be that the Skins have a verbal agreement in place with the Vikings to trade them Donovan McNabb after the draft.

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[quote=GMScud;794885]Side note- The draft commercial with Kiper on ESPN promoting the latest "Fast and Furious" debacle is soooo cheesy.[/quote]

Sigh I know. Every year at this time though I'm reminded of how great Kiper is. I'm talking about off-camera. He's probably my favorite NFL insider at work, as far as the type of guy he is. If every insider was like him, we'd all work for free (well not exactly, but we'd love the work)

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Another thing I can see happening, is that with the limited time that is going to be available getting these green quarterbacks ready to play, and with so many teams needing a starting quarterback, it HAS to raise the value of say a Donovan McNabb.

Now, let me also say this, I doubt any teams is going to mortgage their future or give their firstborn for him, but I definitely could see a deal in where teams want a proven commodity to come and step in and perform without losing too much function at the position, even if it is for a short term (2-3 years, or even one year, with another upside of having your green rookie QB learn behind an all pro QB).

I definitely see the market for a McNabb getting hotter, and the longer this lockout goes, the better our chances of getting a good deal (picks/players if not traded before this draft). Holding this card tight to our chest seems like it really could serve us well, and we could possibly recoup that 2nd round pick we gave up, but more than likely I see us getting a 3rd and 4th for him, which is good value right now, given our lack of picks.

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[quote=GMScud;794885]Side note- The draft commercial with Kiper on ESPN promoting the latest "Fast and Furious" debacle is soooo cheesy.[/quote]

Yeah, Paul Walkers career as a good actor kind of went down hill after Varsity Blues.

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[quote=SmootSmack;794890]Sigh I know. Every year at this time though I'm reminded of how great Kiper is. I'm talking about off-camera. He's probably my favorite NFL insider at work, as far as the type of guy he is. If every insider was like him, we'd all work for free (well not exactly, but we'd love the work)[/quote]

I like watching Kiper, draft wouldnt be the same without him. SS, any rivalry between him and McShay?

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Like a real rivalry? No, they get along fine. I really don't know anyone who can't and doesn't get along with Kiper. Some of the insiders are difficult to deal with, Kiper's easy

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MEL IS one the few opinions I actually put any stock in.........

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I think that Mel Kiper's hair is actually the brains behind the man, Mel Kiper the man is just a vehicle for the hair. LOL.

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[quote=Chico23231;794901]I like watching Kiper, draft wouldnt be the same without him. SS, any rivalry between him and McShay?[/quote]

I've been listening to the First Draft Podcast for the past month and the "rivalary" that seemed to be there two or three years ago, assuming there was any animosity in the first place, seems to be gone. In fact, if anything they seem to have developed a lot of chemistry since McShay first appeared on the scene.

It would be great though if the ESPN guys gave their actual draft guys a little bit more air time this year because last years ESPN draft coverage they had way to many people on set, and eventually it just kept feeling like no one had time to complete a sentence. Which is amazing considering how much down time you get during an even like the NFL Draft.

It might just start with replacing Berman, because I think part of the reason I liked NFLN's coverage last year came from the way Eisen directed the conversation. I'll still check in on the ESPN coverage and see if it's back to where it was in 2008 but for the most part I expect most of the time I'll be watching things unfold on NFLN.

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[url]http://www.espnmediazone3.com/us/2011/04/14/espn’s-2011-nfl-draft-coverage/[/url]

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Kiper is in my top 5 favorite on-air ESPN personalities off the air

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[quote=SmootSmack;794931][url]http://www.espnmediazone3.com/us/2011/04/14/espn’s-2011-nfl-draft-coverage/[/url][/quote]

Okay, now I remember a little more about why Kiper and McShay got less air time last year. You'd start off with the pick and Berman would usually go straight to Jackson, then Kiper would go off for a couple of seconds during the highlight, Young would throw in a word or two, then you had to get to Gruden, then you bring in Schefter, then Mort gives his take and vice versa, then Kobler has to interview the prospect and then you go to Wingo in the studio with Edwards and Bruschi. And I think Dilfer's in there some where. At some point they'll go to one of the local on site reporters, usually Sal Pal. Then back to Mort for more inside information on possible trades.

So much talent at ESPN, but I just don't think theres enough air time to properly show case it, even with an event that drags on like the draft.

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[quote=Ruhskins;794917]I think that Mel Kiper's hair is actually the brains behind the man, Mel Kiper the man is just a vehicle for the hair. LOL.[/quote]

LMAO, I was thinking the same, great minds think alike.

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KI Skins Fan,

I know I mentioned DL but I was told a pass rushing LB. Funny to me it's LB or DE who is a hybrid LB. So because of that I simply said DL but that also left open NT.

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[quote=SmootSmack;794908]Like a real rivalry? No, they get along fine. I really don't know anyone who can't and doesn't get along with Kiper. Some of the insiders are difficult to deal with, Kiper's easy[/quote]

oh so you hate schefter huh? loud and clear buddy

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I hope the changes to the draft coverage espn is planning make a difference because for the past 10 years thier coverage has gotten progressively worse. There has been less Kiper every year and more talking head players who do no homework. The Bristol setup is awful...fans waited 4 months for the draft...they dont want to watch an episode of NFL Live during the draft. And the worst part of all is when they go into thier hell with the draft thats going on live mode...instead lets interview everyone under the fkn sun while one pick after another flies by! Last year they did that for most of the Friday coverage! I swear if NFL network had Kiper then ESPN would lose me for good. I love Mayock but draft day is not the same for me without Mel.

Sorry for the ESPN bashing Smoot...I know none of this is your fault. Hopefully they realized how bad thier coverage has gotten and the changes they are planning do the trick.

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Also has the NFL realized how stupid their friday start time last year was? Goodell talked about getting the draft in primetime yet they started round 2 right in the middle of the Friday rush hour! 7:30 or 8 is primetime not 6PM! Its bad enough they ruined the Saturday draft holiday for the die hards who helped make the draft an event but the start times are utterly rediculous. And thank god i don't live on the west coast...instead of saturday morning they get 3 and 4 PM on weekdays. Nice job Roger...

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I agree, I'm not a big fan on the weekday draft crap..

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[quote=SBXVII;794960]KI Skins Fan,

I know I mentioned DL but I was told a pass rushing LB. Funny to me it's LB or DE who is a hybrid LB. So because of that I simply said DL but that also left open NT.[/quote]

I see. Upon further review, I think I was wrong anyway in thinking that they would trade down farther if they wanted a DL (or an OLB). For one thing, they may not have found another team with a pick in the range they would want to move to that is open to trading with them. Secondly, they may not think that the player or players they are interested in would last much longer than #14.

An extra pick in the third round would be a beautiful thing if the Skins were to pick winners in round one and round three after trading down.

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Im starting to think "the tradedown" move is more likely and most preferable with our second round pick than our first round. I just got a funny feeling we are going Locker with our 10th pick now, if what im hearing that Miller, Quinn will not be there at 10.

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with our second pick, I was thinking maybe taiwan jones would be a good pick. With his speed (4.35) he could be a great change of pace back in the mold of jamaal charles. Just a nice spark to the offense. Just something to think about.

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Well, its draft week and the NFL still has its head up its doo doo hole.
It would be nice to know if we need to draft a WR or a CB but free agency didnt happen so we are screwed in that dept. :Flush:
Cant trade Stainsworth or McNabb for picks.....:soapbox:
Labor unions blow goats!

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[quote=skinster;795072]with our second pick, I was thinking maybe taiwan jones would be a good pick. With his speed (4.35) he could be a great change of pace back in the mold of jamaal charles. Just a nice spark to the offense. Just something to think about.[/quote]

We can get taiwan jones in the 5th of 6th round. I love that kid's speed and elsuiveness. My only concerns is a size. He's kinda small to be playing rb in this league. I think he might bulk up a little bit.

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Heard a draft analyst say this morning on the way to work that NT Kendrick Ellis was the most undervalued propect in the draft.