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I say, considering his age, injury history and his current attitude, no one will trade a first for Trent, even a very late first. I will wait to be proven wrong. The Redskins would be lucky to get a high second at this juncture.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1230742]really? It seems like everyone is on the same page and have been for a long time. Perhaps we have degrees of just how bad it is but I think everyone knows we have one of the worst organizations in all of sports.[/QUOTE]



Im not trying to imply that anyone thinks we are on the verge of greatness. Lol. I agree totally with you about degrees of badness. I know its our team and we have no choice but to hold out hope. I think my comment was more about the TW saga. In other words I don’t think it matters wtf happens...we could get 10 first rounders and somehow under the direction of Douche Snyder we will squander the opportunity. It is really disheartening actually because the Redskins have pretty much been my favorite thing in the world since I was about 5 years old (1976) and I have little to no hope left that I will ever be excited for this team again. Not on a year to year basis anyway. Maybe a fleeting glimpse like 99 or RG-3.

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Cooley always says that Bruce Allen was/is Dan trying to be a good owner.

That statement is so nuanced and says so much with so few words.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1230745]I say, considering his age, injury history and his current attitude, no one will trade a first for Trent, even a very late first. I will wait to be proven wrong. The Redskins would be lucky to get a high second at this juncture.[/quote]

Counterpoint, what's the second most valuable position after qb? Some might say mike linebacker, or pass rusher, most would say your qb's blindside tackle.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1230736]I would rather trade Trent to the Chiefs than the Pats, those mf'ers don't need any more help.[/quote]

NE does not have the cap room to trade a draft pick for Trent. And does his salary count against the Redskins cap?

The Redskins are going to need lots of draft picks because next year will be a major rebuilding mode.

They will need T, G, TE, WR, RB, QB and almost everything on defense as well.

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I bet Bruce Allen had a chance to get some good value for him and fucked it up simply because he doesn’t want to give in. He’d rather let his ego get in the way. He can’t be made to look like the guy that “lost”

Who wants to bet on that?


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Don’t know how believable this is, speculation of Trent
to the Cards:

[url]https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nfl/cardinals/2019/09/19/trent-williams-trade-speculation-heats-up-between-washington-redskins-arizona-cardinals/2379496001/[/url]

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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1230770]I bet Bruce Allen had a chance to get some good value for him and fucked it up simply because he doesn’t want to give in. He’d rather let his ego get in the way. He can’t be made to look like the guy that “lost”

Who wants to bet on that?


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Saw Bruce Allen today in DC. Considered slapping him.


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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1230781]Don’t know how believable this is, speculation of Trent

to the Cards:



[url]https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nfl/cardinals/2019/09/19/trent-williams-trade-speculation-heats-up-between-washington-redskins-arizona-cardinals/2379496001/[/url][/QUOTE]



I don’t see Trent leaving for less than a first. So if this writer is correct, AZ isn’t an option.


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[quote=calia;1230784]I don’t see Trent leaving for less than a first. So if this writer is correct, AZ isn’t an option.


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I really don't think anyone will give a first for him, waiting to be proven wrong.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1230781]Don’t know how believable this is, speculation of Trent
to the Cards:

[url]https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nfl/cardinals/2019/09/19/trent-williams-trade-speculation-heats-up-between-washington-redskins-arizona-cardinals/2379496001/[/url][/quote]

Trent for Peterson straight up

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[quote=mooby;1230768]Counterpoint, what's the second most valuable position after qb? Some might say mike linebacker, or pass rusher, most would say your qb's blindside tackle.[/quote]

Blindside tackle I would say is 3rd after QB and anyone who can pressure the QB. That doesn't change the fact Trent is on the wrong side of 30, misses 1/4 of the games and makes top dollar.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1230788]Trent for Peterson straight up[/quote]

nope, I want the picks...

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[quote=Chico23231;1230791]nope, I want the picks...[/quote]

I'd take a 2 and 4 for Trent at this point

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Hey Schneed, just asking when the whole TW not going to stay away because of the money thing kicks in?



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[quote=skinsfaninok;1230788]Trent for Peterson straight up[/quote]

Trent and Norman for Peterson, a 2nd and 4th rounder.

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I want picks as well.

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Give Trent's agent permission to find a trade partner and see what happens. Let them do the leg work. We can always say that's not enough need more.

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Listening to B-Mitch on 980 am while driving and as usual the reception isn't great, but they seem to confirm the Redskins and Cardinals have been talking about a trade for Trent.

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[quote=calia;1230783]Saw Bruce Allen today in DC. Considered slapping him.

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Lol, I would say do it. But getting arrested for that bum wouldn't be worth it. The thought cracks me up though, a fellow Warpather, just walking up and slapping the shit out of Bruce.

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[quote=Chico23231;1230791]nope, I want the picks...[/quote]

Give me the picks too. We need a youth movement!

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Now that NE has released Brown they have cap space. And their offense line has lost 2 or 3 players to injury. It is time to talk and see if they could get multiple early picks.

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Here’s a couple truths the team needs to face:

1. For whatever reason TW will never play here again. We need to trade him for at least a first to get his replacement.

2. Scherff has broken off negotiations and many predict he will walk after this season. We will need to draft for HIS replacement in this draft. I’m sure he wants more money, at a winning organization that doesn’’r have our constant chaos.

The 2020 draft is heavy with OT and that’s where we will draft. If we can get a 1st for TW it will help the rebuilding of the OL.


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They'll probably have to FT Scherff, in which case they have to trade TW now while they have some capital to bargain with. Don't they?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1230844]Lol, I would say do it. But getting arrested for that bum wouldn't be worth it. The thought cracks me up though, a fellow Warpather, just walking up and slapping the shit out of Bruce.[/quote]

I would start a go fund me for bail and legal counsel

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1230857]I would start a go fund me for bail and legal counsel[/QUOTE]Just plead justifiable bitch slapping. Any reasonable dmv jury would find you innocent.

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Actually, I’m a lawyer. But I don’t want to have a fool for a client either (ie, represent myself).


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[QUOTE=calia;1230860]Actually, I’m a lawyer. But I don’t want to have a fool for a client either (ie, represent myself).


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BA is just a roadie for Snyder. It’s like slapping the kitchen help instead of the mansion owner


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Toadie*


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Yeah, but he’s so insufferably smug too.


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[QUOTE=Warthog;1230851]Here’s a couple truths the team needs to face:

1. For whatever reason TW will never play here again. We need to trade him for at least a first to get his replacement.

2. Scherff has broken off negotiations and many predict he will walk after this season. We will need to draft for HIS replacement in this draft. I’m sure he wants more money, at a winning organization that doesn’’r have our constant chaos.

The 2020 draft is heavy with OT and that’s where we will draft. If we can get a 1st for TW it will help the rebuilding of the OL.


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At what point do we find CONTINUITY? Has anyone pondered where’d the Redskins be today if they had just paid Cousins early on, and kept DeSean and Garçon around in Gruden’s system? Years later, we’re all left with this mess, no continuity, or stability.



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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1230869]At what point do we find CONTINUITY? Has anyone pondered where’d the Redskins be today if they had just paid Cousins early on, and kept DeSean and Garçon around in Gruden’s system? Years later, we’re all left with this mess, no continuity, or stability.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Would not have mattered one lick. They both would have been injured, KC would have forced a trade, and our DCoordinator still would not know how to win a 2nd half or stop an opposing team on third downs.

Crying over Garcon/DJax/KC is effectively griping about being fat and lethargic while still eating 2 mcdonalds meals and drinking 3 large sugar loaded cokes every day.



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The point about DJax and Garçon was they were playing at a high level and we let them go. No backup plan except Dotson. WR group went down fast.

KC was getting lots of stats but not wining games -especially by himself. The management felt he Wasn’t the long-term QB answer. Then they kept him through franchising for more and more money - WITHOUT A BACKUP PLAN TO REPLACE HIM (you know, draft a promising QB and develop him). No backup was developed.over those years. Once KC left,with no planets B, Bruce panics and signs a long-term contract with an average, 34 yr old QB with a good win-loss record because he played for excellent teams. Was an

TW and Scherff will be traded or let go during this season or after the season is over. See a PATTERN?

We CAN NOT KEEP OUR BEST TALENT. Either because we don’t recognize the talent we have, or we mismanage it. True key to winning is home-growing talent and riding it. We let our home-grown talent go, then hire over-priced FA, who then cruise through here getting the big money for min effort.



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Garcon/DJax/KC were all good releases by the time they were released. The single point I agree with you on is that the Skins didn't plan and prepare for the backup plan effectively. Particularly on KC once they put what they considered their best offer on the table they should have invested in a QB each year.
Thats the front office issue and its not changing anytime soon.

On the WRs coaching wouldn't move on from a 1st round pick because of potential, we know that is a fatal flaw of Grudens tenure here, and I hope we move on from him sooner rather than later, but I have no faith that the FO will bring in a better coach. Si again thats not changing anytime soon.

Bottomline this franchise is mired in bottom tier status until DS has a major reinvention of himself or till the franchise is sold.

And that's not happening anytime soon either.


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Trey Quinn, Sims Jr, Terry McLaurin and P Rich...even Harmon. I’ve liked what I’ve seen so far from the group. This coming offseason let’s rebuild the TE position.

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[quote=Chico23231;1230878]Trey Quinn, Sims Jr, Terry McLaurin and P Rich...even Harmon. I’ve liked what I’ve seen so far from the group. [B]This coming offseason let’s rebuild the TE position[/B].[/quote]

$16 mil a year for Reed and Davis, that is worse than insanity.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=5superbowls3wins;1230869]At what point do we find CONTINUITY? Has anyone pondered where’d the Redskins be today if they had just paid Cousins early on, and kept DeSean and Garçon around in Gruden’s system? Years later, we’re all left with this mess, no continuity, or stability.



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It would have been flat out dumb to keep both Garcon and Jackson at 10 million plus. Jackson has too many issues staying healthy, there's always something wrong with him. Not a good investment paying at wr 10 million plus on the other side of 30. Garcon got hurt the following year and is out of the league.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1230879]$16 mil a year for Reed and Davis, that is worse than insanity.[/quote]

It’s pure negligence and remember, you get zero blocking in the run game with reed and Davis. VD is rated by pro football focus as the worst blocking tight end in the league. Period.

The Alex Smith and TE contacts are nearly 37 million this year against the cap. We are getting nothing

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1230879]$16 mil a year for Reed and Davis, that is worse than insanity.[/quote]

[quote=Chico23231;1230886]It’s pure negligence and remember, you get zero blocking in the run game with reed and Davis. VD is rated by pro football focus as the worst blocking tight end in the league. Period.

The Alex Smith and TE contacts are nearly 37 million this year against the cap. We are getting nothing[/quote]

Even though it is money for nothing the Alex Smith situation was a freak occurrence of bad luck. On the other hand the situation with Davis and Reed a blind man could have seen coming.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1230889]Even though it is money for nothing the Alex Smith situation was a freak occurrence of bad luck. On the other hand the situation with Davis and Reed a blind man could have seen coming.[/quote]

Well Alex Smith trade was a poor choice to begin with, he wasn’t a good fit for Jays system and was knee jerk. Plus, we didn’t need to give the extension right away either until we saw how he played in it.

Multiple mistakes by Bruce and his band of idiots