Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1277805]Listening to the Alumni clip on the WFT name search site sure makes it sound like they are gonna keep washington football team. Such a stupid thing if they do. Doug Williams parricularly doing his best suck up to the name, probably why he was kept around...

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Doug Williams is a legend here and I don't want to sound like I'm disrespecting him, but nothing he has said or done anywhere over the years has made me feel that he is anything other than just a corporate suck up.

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Doc walker likes the name .. Burgundy & Gold , The best College team for a while goes by the name Crimson tide , uses a elephant for mascot.. plain helmet with number .. The BRAND is what the team makes it .. you lose and people say it sucks .. you Win and the name becomes part of it I personally do not want another generic name to replace what we had .. red tails, red wolves , all those names are just that .. Washington Football is what I like .. no need to say team .. they Could be also referred to as Burgundy & Gold .

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Doesn’t matter to me. I stocked up on Redskins gear and they will always be the Redskins to me. I knew several Native Americans who are fans of the team because of the Redskins name and logo and I promised them I would always wear Redskins gear and I intend to do so.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

I think they’ll keep it Washington FT as well, everything is branded already so I don’t see a big change coming

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1277809]Doc walker likes the name .. Burgundy & Gold , The best College team for a while goes by the name Crimson tide , uses a elephant for mascot.. plain helmet with number .. The BRAND is what the team makes it .. you lose and people say it sucks .. you Win and the name becomes part of it I personally do not want another generic name to replace what we had .. red tails, red wolves , all those names are just that .. Washington Football is what I like .. no need to say team .. they Could be also referred to as Burgundy & Gold .[/QUOTE]

You don't want a generic name - but you like Washington Football?? That is as generic and bland as you could get.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1277805]Listening to the Alumni clip on the WFT name search site sure makes it sound like they are gonna keep washington football team. Such a stupid thing if they do. Doug Williams particularly doing his best suck up to the name, probably why he was kept around...

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Well actually if you read the [URL="https://www.washingtonjourney.com/timeline/"]timeline[/URL] they put on the journey website, which is in line with the [URL="https://t.co/iBE5xkaD1V?amp=1"]process[/URL] Jason Wright revealed during the season, I really don't think there's that big of a chance it stays WFT.

They highlighted so many times the fact they gonna value fan input and they wanted to pick a name that last at least a century, I have a hard time going "meeeh we don't feel like rebranding after all...".

Just read the last part of the timeline:

"Finally, we put our game plan into action—by unveiling and launching our new identity for the fans, the players, and the future. This will kick off the next century of Washington Football."

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Names like Redwolves or Wolves in general are probably out IMO. Warriors would have a shot but I have really grown into the WFT movement. It’s clean and nobody else uses it

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1277814]Names like Redwolves or Wolves in general are probably out IMO. Warriors would have a shot but I have really grown into the WFT movement. It’s clean and nobody else uses it[/QUOTE]Why would the wolves versions be out? Just asking the rationale for saying that?

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1277815]Why would the wolves versions be out? Just asking the rationale for saying that?

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If they are going to name it something like that , you would see the team slowly transitioning to it. The fact that they have branded the WFT logo now on all merchandise and at the facility itself seems like they are going to be keeping that logo for good.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1277817]If they are going to name it something like that , you would see the team slowly transitioning to it. The fact that they have branded the WFT logo now on all merchandise and at the facility itself seems like they are going to be keeping that logo for good.[/QUOTE]You may be right, but truthfully the better marketing is to act like WFT is the brand so people buy without reservation, then at the new brand reveal transform the whole scene in one shot. Doing it like you said, slow transformation style means less revenue for the year.

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And they had to do the facility once Redskins was deemed unwelcome. Logo is so generic the costs for the change are minimal given the scope of the NFL.

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Okay .. well we are currently the ONLY major sports team ( other than soccer) that does not have a nickname ... I’m so tired of Eagles,Seahawks, falcons, bears, rams, dolphins, jags, broncos, cardinals, lions, panthers, bengals..that is what I’m referring to as generic .. I actually like Buffalo Bills , Packers, Patriots, Saints, Texans, 49ers, Steelers, football team may be generic as hell but nobody else has a name like it .. The Capitals have the perfect name for a DC team , Nationals is good .. Wizards for me is horrible.. but so was bullets, .. what sucks is a lot of the USFL , arena football and other minor league teams have had great names that nobody wants to re-use .. factor that in with the PC crowd and it’s gonna be tough to Come up with a name ..

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=rocnrik;1277820]Okay .. well we are currently the ONLY major sports team ( other than soccer) that does not have a nickname ... I’m so tired of Eagles,Seahawks, falcons, bears, rams, dolphins, jags, broncos, cardinals, lions, panthers, bengals..that is what I’m referring to as generic .. I actually like Buffalo Bills , Packers, Patriots, Saints, Texans, 49ers, Steelers, football team may be generic as hell but nobody else has a name like it .. The Capitals have the perfect name for a DC team , Nationals is good .. Wizards for me is horrible.. but so was bullets, .. what sucks is a lot of the USFL , arena football and other minor league teams have had great names that nobody wants to re-use .. factor that in with the PC crowd and it’s gonna be tough to Come up with a name ..[/quote]


I'm with ya. There's one other benefit to sticking with Football Team ...

I also truly enjoy, watching the jackasses in sports media constantly stumble around with our team, and inadvertently slip and say Redskins. And you know it kills them, because they want to be the most PC people in the world.

If we stick with Football Team, the slips to Redskins will continue.

If we transition to something else --- whatever that will be --- the jackassery in sports media won't slip as much, if at all.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1277817]If they are going to name it something like that , you would see the team slowly transitioning to it. The fact that they have branded the WFT logo now on all merchandise and at the facility itself seems like they are going to be keeping that logo for good.[/quote]

Or maybe they just did that so people will buy their merch for a year or two and then turn around and spend a boat load more money to buy all the new team named gear when the final new name comes out. All about that 💵. Danny Boy may be an asshole as a human being, but he didn’t get to be a billionaire by being stupid. He knows what he’s doing.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Isn't this a QB thread???? Isn't there a thread for the name change?

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1277826]Isn't this a QB thread???? Isn't there a thread for the name change?[/QUOTE]Welcome to the offseason threads come and go but discussions never die.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1277826]Isn't this a QB thread???? Isn't there a thread for the name change?[/quote]

DeShaun Watson never going to waive his no trade clause to come to a team called “team”. There. I fixed it for you.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=FrenchSkin;1277813]Well actually if you read the [URL="https://www.washingtonjourney.com/timeline/"]timeline[/URL] they put on the journey website, which is in line with the [URL="https://t.co/iBE5xkaD1V?amp=1"]process[/URL] Jason Wright revealed during the season, I really don't think there's that big of a chance it stays WFT.

They highlighted so many times the fact they gonna value fan input and they wanted to pick a name that last at least a century, I have a hard time going "meeeh we don't feel like rebranding after all...".

Just read the last part of the timeline:

"Finally, we put our game plan into action—by unveiling and launching our new identity for the fans, the players, and the future. This will kick off the next century of Washington Football."[/quote]

I think THE DAN cackles with glee at not changing the name and leaving it in limbo, thumbing his nose at all the SJWs. I think Goodell and NFL have told him he has to pick a name eventually. I think complicating the matter is the fact that squatters have sat on many of the preferred names, the intellectual rights, and want exorbitant sums for them. Oh the irony of turds bigger than THE DAN holding him hostage. I do not think painting and relabeling costs or any of that factor in, they are a pittance. Warriors is the easy choice, but squatters own it, for example. A final note is that the name must be 100% PC-friendly, sad what this country is becoming, and even warriors might not be 100% PC-friendly. There is also a PR aspect, how it factors in to the investigations of misconduct on every front imaginable by THE DAN.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=rocnrik;1277820]Okay .. well we are currently the ONLY major sports team ( other than soccer) that does not have a nickname ... I’m so tired of Eagles,Seahawks, falcons, bears, rams, dolphins, jags, broncos, cardinals, lions, panthers, bengals..that is what I’m referring to as generic .. I actually like Buffalo Bills , Packers, Patriots, Saints, Texans, 49ers, Steelers, football team may be generic as hell but nobody else has a name like it .. The Capitals have the perfect name for a DC team , Nationals is good .. Wizards for me is horrible.. but so was bullets, .. what sucks is a lot of the USFL , arena football and other minor league teams have had great names that nobody wants to re-use .. factor that in with the PC crowd and it’s gonna be tough to Come up with a name ..[/quote]

We are the only major sports team in the U.S. without a name. In other countries it is perfectly normal. For example, where I grew up, I was a fan of the 1. FC Kaiserslautern (Meaning First Football Club Kaiserslautern). Which is why I would be okay with staying WFT. Better than Warriors. Worse than Wolves. So... there would be better options, but also a ton of worse.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277776]I think the article is recommending that if they can't sign a top-tier FA, or trade up for one of the top rookies, then they should save their resources and sign a low-priced free agent quarterback, rather than trade for Darnell, Mariota, etc.[/quote]

I don't know if that is what the article is saying, but bringing in a FA quarterback is sensible. Better to overpay a few millions for a stopgap then overpay in draft picks for retreads. Nothing even approaching a franchise QB is available in FA, and those that are even solid are well past prime.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277779]I wonder if the Jets are really ready to move on from Darnold. If so I bet we could get him for a 2nd or even a 3rd. I’d take a shot why not? Let’s be real, Gase is a QB ruiner[/quote]

No way. A very high second--which we don't have--maybe. You think teams don't know the value of even a decent young QB? It is amazing how much posters on this board underestimate the picks it would take to get players, and also stand ready to offer robbery-like boatloads of picks for guys like Watson. I've seen posters say 3 first rounders, 2 second rounders, plus young players on rookie deals for Watson. Insane.

We could maybe get Darnold for a 2nd and a 3rd, but why should Jets rush to trade him until they pull chute on a QB in draft if that is their intent. Make sure you have QB you want then trade. I doubt Jaguars are moving out of #1 unless one of the posters offering 27 first rounders for Watson suddenly gets a GM job in the next month and trades our next 721 1st round picks for Lawrence. If I'm the Jets, I take calls for the #2 pick from QB needy teams. Maybe someone offers an absurd ransom, you never know, especially if they move down just a few spots and still get QB they like. Darnold has way more value if the top 4 or 5 QBs are off board late in 1st round, the Jets have taken a QB with #2 pick, and teams starving for a QB seeing no other viable options they love want Darnold. Worst case scenario, you let him play out rookie deal as insurance policy and get a 3rd comp pick year after. So trading him for 3rd makes little sense. If the Jets trade him for a 2nd, doing so after drafting QB of future makes more sense.

What a cavalier attitude to piss away draft picks with. Sure, a 2nd here, a third there, why not? LOL. Not how you build a team. A 2nd round pick is a long term starter at a lower leverage position if you draft smart. We have TONS of holes. We also need to get a QB on rookie deal. What we should be doing is using that 2nd or 3rd round pick to draft a QB we like.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277644]I don't look at the quarterback position any different from other positions when it comes to the draft. I don't want them reaching for LB, WR, etc. in any round if he's not the best player on their board. Same with QB.[/quote]

QB is different. You maybe reach a little, but not a lot. Often times, it is a choice between a high floor or high ceiling guy. Do you play it safe?

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=AnonEmouse;1277693]What we have to remember is Snyder had to convince Rivera to come here, and gave him assurances about control to do that. While he can maintain an improvement and a degree of success, Snyder isn't going to rock the boat because he knows Rivera will just walk. He's an established coach, with a rich NFL resume, well respected, wealthy and just got over cancer. He doesn't have any need to take any shit so he's far more likely to walk than give up ground to Snyder. And if Snyder loses Rivera like that, he'll never convince another top coach to come here.[/quote]

Yup. And the problem is, to even get RR, he had to cede GM powers that most coaches should never have. EVERY coach given GM powers will begin making short-term decisions at the expense of the long-term as the end of their contract nears because they want to keep their jobs. It is why you segregate the two positions and should have GM over coach in power structure.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1277762]Just a random observation regarding the QB position in today’s NFL. For all intents and purposes, a QB that is able to move exceedingly well and run outside the pocket is a must, to the exclusion of all others, like Mac Jones. And quarterbacks in the Russel Wilson mold seem to be much sought and preferred.

In the face of all that, who is the apparent GOAT at that position, who was drafted in the sixth round because of athletic shortcomings? And who just won the Super Bowl as the classic traditional pocket passer he has always been? So despite our excitement about the athleticism of the current crop of candidates, we would be well served that good wheels are not necessarily a reliable predictor of QB success. We would broaden our consideration to those who are tough minded, able to read the defense well, who have a quick release and accuracy even under stress, and who sport a high football IQ. I’m thinking that these qualities are undervalued as we look at QB candidates, and are more likely found in the later rounds of the draft.[/quote]

Well spoken. Running QBs don't last. Never have, never will. They take bad hits eventually and get hurt, like Mahomes was this year, like Jackson, etc. More importantly, running becomes a substitute for learning to read Ds and be a pocket passer. Good wheels are not only not a good predictor of success, I would say the opposite is true.

Brees, Rodgers, Brady, etc., the guys in the hunt year after year, are traditional pocket passers that run very sparingly. Assuming you don't have a chicken arm, and can at least make all the basic throws, QB is 90% mental.
To me, Montana the GOAT, never cheated, never lost the big game. He could make all the throws but would be first to tell you he wasn't strong armed.

Trey Lance could be a stud, but has NEVER been forced to make pro reads. Assuming he can is a massive projection. Ala Haskins, though I doubt anyone in this year's draft will be as lazy as Haskins and improve so little. Learning to read offenses is NOT some trivial skill. Those advocating Trey Lance and similar guys have learned NOTHING from RGIII and Haskins. NOTHING. Neither could read a basic D. They destroyed it in college making quick simple plays on offenses loaded to gills with stud skill position players. You mitigate the risk of a QB busting by picking one that has already demonstrated ability to run a real pro offense and read Ds. Pocket passers are the players with longevity who lead teams deep into playoffs year after year. Pocket passers are what we should be looking to draft.

I like Mac Jones, and might take him over Lawrence, because of the mental aspects. Probably not, but maybe. I watched some film on both, limited sample size, and all I'm saying is, no way we get Lawrence, but Jones is the type of guy we should be targeting. I seriously doubt he is there at #19 but if he is, I take him in a heartbeat. His personality, work ethic, etc., remind me of Eli Manning, minus the ruinous alcoholism. People forget that Giants won more SBs than any other NFC team, prior to Brady moving to Bucs, over last two decades. With the statue pocket passer.

I think a team like New England will probably move up and take Jones. Trey Lance makes sense in the 2nd round given he has no proven ability to read Ds, but will be gone long before then I think. I love taking a flyer on a guy like Peyton Ramsey in the 3rd, 4th, or later. No brainer in the 4th for a team with no QB, if he's there. People say our OC wants a running QB for his "system" but great coordinators adapt the system to the player.

A VERY important observation about pocket passers, is that you can actually find a good one outside the first round and outside the top-10. You can find a good pocket passer in later rounds and have a solid long-term starter. You can't generally find a guy that can throw and run like a WR in the later rounds.

Mac Jones if he's there at 19, which I doubt he'll be. I think he'll be gone in top-10, and no way he slides by Pats at 15. I'm NOT a huge fan of trading up, but if Jones is sitting there past 10 it becomes interesting. Dallas and Giants are 10-11, both have their QB, but would they help a division rival snipe theirs or rather help Pats? You'd, going by charts, be talking a 2nd and 4th or 5th rounder. So you would get Jones and still have 2 third round picks. I don't love trades like this, but it at least isn't a total mortgaging of future, and I think the price would ultimately be higher because of bidding war QB needy teams, and would probably take a 2nd and 3rd this year minimum. Too high a price methinks.

And sign Trent Williams to 2-year deal. :-) LOL. LOL. LOL. Bruce Allen, the gift that keeps on giving. . .

At a minimum, we need to take a flyer on a pocket passer like Ramsey in 3rd or 4th round.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1277817]If they are going to name it something like that , you would see the team slowly transitioning to it. The fact that they have branded the WFT logo now on all merchandise and at the facility itself seems like they are going to be keeping that logo for good.[/quote]

The thing is when you actually read the process they're putting out there, nothing is done to make you think that they want to keep WFT, nothing is said to make you think they've picked a name yet, and they sure wouldn't leak any hint about the next name before they reveal it (or maybe some unofficial leaks to test reactions but not from the official team website/socials).

WFT might very well be in the narrowed down list of options, but I don't think they've made a choice yet, and the narrative they're putting out there is about a long process to pick a NEW name, one that'll last 100+ years.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Peter King on Sirius XM

"Houston would want Chase Young and multiple 1's, Washington is not doing that so they are out"

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277842]Peter King on Sirius XM

"Houston would want Chase Young and multiple 1's, Washington is not doing that so they are out"[/quote]

Houston's price is going to come down if they become serious about moving on from Watson. To me they are pulling a Bruce Allen and making outrageous demands at the moment, so it is hard to take anything serious (remember when he asked for Denzel Ward in a Trent Williams potential trade with the Browns?)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277842]Peter King on Sirius XM

"Houston would want Chase Young and multiple 1's, Washington is not doing that so they are out"[/quote]

CY is worth multiple picks himself, so yeah I'd bow out too. The price for Watson is going to be absurd.

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He's a damn good QB but yeah I'm out on that..

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UPDATE: A team asked Devonta Smith point blank which QB was better, Mac Jones or Tua Tagovailoa. Devonta Smith definitively said Jones is the better quarterback

(H/T:
@AlbertBreer
)

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

Fuck Houston.

Looks like Mac Jones hype machine may be leap frogging Lance for the no. 3 Qb taken.

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[quote=SunnySide;1277850]Fuck Houston.

Looks like Mac Jones hype machine may be leap frogging Lance for the no. 3 Qb taken.[/quote]

Saw a couple mocks that had him in the top 10 and Lance around 15.. I'd trade up to 15 and grab Lance if that's the case.

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[quote=SunnySide;1277850]Fuck Houston.

Looks like Mac Jones hype machine may be leap frogging Lance for the no. 3 Qb taken.[/quote]

I think you mean #4. There's almost no chance either is the 3rd qb selected.

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To
@nyjets
fans. Anything you hear about Zach Wilson talent-trait wise....you hear about Sam Darnold.

The only reason to draft Wilson and move on from Sam is to completely re-set the financial timetable at QB.

Darnold is a more talented player skill wise

Dan Orlovsky

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EucMZCEWQAAvDmd?format=jpg&name=large[/IMG]

I'd also be cool with this

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[quote=simbosargos75;1277854]I think you mean #4. There's almost no chance either is the 3rd qb selected.[/quote]

Yup youre right. I meant 4.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=rocnrik;1277809]Doc walker likes the name .. Burgundy & Gold , The best College team for a while goes by the name Crimson tide , uses a elephant for mascot.. plain helmet with number .. The BRAND is what the team makes it .. you lose and people say it sucks .. you Win and the name becomes part of it I personally do not want another generic name to replace what we had .. red tails, red wolves , all those names are just that .. Washington Football is what I like .. no need to say team .. they Could be also referred to as Burgundy & Gold .[/quote]

i disagree . . . every team is that already . . . Seahawks are the Seattle Football Team, Cardinals are the Arizona Football Team, etc. etc. etc. . . . BORING!! Come up with something and actually give the team an identity because generic names like that are NOT an identity. Plus that would be the best of all worlds for the team. they would be able to still use the Washington Football Team any times because its still would be true and they can sell merchandize still using that name . . . Plus. sell a shit ton more using whatever name they come up with.

Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021
 

[quote=Scalper;1277831]I don't know if that is what the article is saying, but bringing in a FA quarterback is sensible. Better to overpay a few millions for a stopgap then overpay in draft picks for retreads. Nothing even approaching a franchise QB is available in FA, and those that are even solid are well past prime.[/quote]

Franchise QBs rarely hit free agency - unless they are past their prime. TB12 may be the only exception in the league's history.

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[quote=Scalper;1277833]QB is different. You maybe reach a little, but not a lot. Often times, it is a choice between a high floor or high ceiling guy. Do you play it safe?[/quote]

I respect that opinion. I'm just saying [B]I[/B] don't look at the QB position any differently. A reach is a reach. Drafting a 2nd round talent in the 1st round is dumb.

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[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210222/c01ee0f73643c79c554d643970f19de3.jpg[/IMG]

The number 1 ranked FA QB per The Athletic?

This man

(They clearly have Dak ahead but he’s not a FA)

I don’t see this happening and I’m not in favor of Cam but I also won’t be all pissy if they do sign him. He’d be the QB1 on this current roster IMO

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I would not want Cam at all.