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I think SH should be on the roster, but good luck selling a fanbase that you're taking a tackle instead of a high rated QB when we're in position to get one. If you do that and SH poops the bed again, everyone's going to be screaming to fire everyone.

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What is the probability that we take a QB at #2? I'd say over 95%. I think we'd be making a huge mistake to not take one of the three QB's who are nearly unanimously considered by GM's to be potential Franchise QB's. So I can't imagine that we'd draft a Tackle at #2 or trade down. The only disaster we risk is by not drafting a QB at #2 and thereby failing to acquire a young Franchise QB. IMO, getting the right QB is so important that we are more likely to trade up to #1 to ensure getting the QB of our choice than we are to make any other move.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1360309]What is the probability that we take a QB at #2? I'd say over 95%. I think we'd be making a huge mistake to not take one of the three QB's who are nearly unanimously considered by GM's to be potential Franchise QB's. So I can't imagine that we'd draft a Tackle at #2 or trade down. The only disaster we risk is by not drafting a QB at #2 and thereby failing to acquire a young Franchise QB. IMO, getting the right QB is so important that we are more likely to trade up to #1 to ensure getting the QB of our choice than we are to make any other move.[/quote]

they are like lottery tickets you got keep scratching them until you find a winner

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1360309]What is the probability that we take a QB at #2? I'd say over 95%. I think we'd be making a huge mistake to not take one of the three QB's who are nearly unanimously considered by GM's to be potential Franchise QB's. So I can't imagine that we'd draft a Tackle at #2 or trade down. The only disaster we risk is by not drafting a QB at #2 and thereby failing to acquire a young Franchise QB. IMO, getting the right QB is so important that we are more likely to trade up to #1 to ensure getting the QB of our choice than we are to make any other move.[/quote]

Yeah I totally agree, but I wonder if they had gotten Sam Darnold, who was first choice over the shit show Mariota, what the response would have been here.

With Mariota, it seals it for me that QB 1 will be taken at 2. But if it was Darnold, then I probably be thinking trade down/WR at 2.

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There is a higher chance of it snowing today in DC than us not taking a QB at 2 or 1

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[quote=That Guy;1360302]I think SH should be on the roster, but good luck selling a fanbase that you're taking a tackle instead of a high rated QB when we're in position to get one. If you do that and SH poops the bed again, everyone's going to be screaming to fire everyone.[/quote]

You're not wrong. As much as everyone hated Dan, a lot of them sure have his patience. 🤷

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So we have a very early night watching day 1 of the draft And a late night draft party on Friday!

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I actually think we will take some of those day two picks and trade up back into mid to late day one

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I like the idea of trading back up for a T in round 1 or getting more picks in 2 & 3 to grab 2 of them, a CB and a TE. I don't like the idea of moving up to #1.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1360379]I like the idea of trading back up for a T in round 1 or getting more picks in 2 & 3 to grab 2 of them, a CB and a TE. I don't like the idea of moving up to #1.[/quote]

We seriously need help on our OL beyond C, which we secured in FA. It was a huge reason to Howell's lack of progression.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1360312]Yeah I totally agree, but I wonder if they had gotten Sam Darnold, who was first choice over the shit show Mariota, what the response would have been here.

With Mariota, it seals it for me that QB 1 will be taken at 2. But if it was Darnold, then I probably be thinking trade down/WR at 2.[/QUOTE]


Come on man. Sam Darnold? I would want him far away from the field too. Not as far as Mariota but far. I am not passing on this draft class for Sam Darnold. If anything we trade back into the first and grab an OT. If not we get him on day two. Five picks and still alot of areas of need , TE, WR, OT x 2, G, CB, Edge, FS. All needs. Some more than others but all needs. It is amazing what Rivera did to this roster that we could go get 8-10 new starters and still have so many areas of need.

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would you trade picks 35, 40 and a 5th to jump way up if one of the 3 top tackles falls below 10 overall?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1360416]would you trade picks 35, 40 and a 5th to jump way up if one of the 3 top tackles falls below 10 overall?

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Yes, without a doubt

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I cant wait for the draft to be over lol. All the Caleb , JD , Maye talk finally ends

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1360427]I cant wait for the draft to be over lol. All the Caleb , JD , Maye talk finally ends[/quote]

Yep I have had enough of reading articles and opinions comparing those guys, I will leave it to the FO to find the right one. I am far more interested in what is going to happen with the 2nd and 3rd rounders, much more intrigue and so many options, this draft is going to be fun.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1360416]would you trade picks 35, 40 and a 5th to jump way up if one of the 3 top tackles falls below 10 overall?

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Yup

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Good read on CW negatives. Watched some of the film and agree with the points here. No fuckin thanks. Please no.

[url]https://firstroundmock.com/2024/01/former-nfl-scout-caleb-williams-is-a-bust/[/url]

I'm literally not sure I saw him look off a single defender. Locks on way too much... he's an athlete with an arm. That's it. Again, please no.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1360416]would you trade picks 35, 40 and a 5th to jump way up if one of the 3 top tackles falls below 10 overall?

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While we're getting crazy, why not just trade next year's 1st, along with this year's #40 and #78 and jump into the top 10 and take [I]the top[/I] Tackle?

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1360484]While we're getting crazy, why not just trade next year's 1st, along with this year's #40 and #78 and jump into the top 10 and take [I]the top[/I] Tackle?[/QUOTE]i tried to make it a reasonable trade scenario points wise. fact is with so many qbs and wr's likely going in the top ten a top tackle or two may fall down past ten which is at least reachable

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1360486]i tried to make it a reasonable trade scenario points wise. fact is with so many qbs and wr's likely going in the top ten a top tackle or two may fall down past ten which is at least reachable

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I thought my proposal was also a reasonable trade scenario points wise. Maybe even too rich... Assuming we just miss the playoffs, next year's 1st (287), along with this year's #40 (149) and #78 (59) = 495 points.

The #4 pick is worth 491. The #9 pick is worth 387 points.

But you are right, it's very possible a top tackle is there between 10-15. The last mock draft I saw had OTs going at 7, 10, and 14 with my favorite tackle, Olu Fashanu, going at 14.

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No way I would support trading next year's first. This is a deep tackle draft, there is no reason to trade that much to be able to land a good one.

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1360493]No way I would support trading next year's first. This is a deep tackle draft, there is no reason to trade that much to be able to land a good one.[/quote]

Agree

Take the QB at 2 and find a good T in the 2nd

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Now that we know the bears are taking Williams it’s down to JD and Maye. I’m still leaning JD


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1360519]Now that we know the bears are taking Williams it’s down to JD and Maye. I’m still leaning JD


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Same. I like Daniels’s intangibles more. His weight, and his upright running style, are my only two concerns.

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[quote=vallin21;1360522]Same. I like Daniels’s intangibles more. His weight, and his [B]upright running style[/B], are my only two concerns.[/quote]

It worked for Michael Johnson lol

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The trades of Chase Young, Montez Sweat and Sam Howell look great to me now. I didn’t see it at the time, but now….
Nine draft picks in a good draft.
Six picks in the first three rounds.
Three picks in the top 40. Have we ever had so much valuable draft capital?
Especially after seeing Chase Young in SF still not being able to do the most basic thing well…stop the run/gap control. It was exposed for everyone to see. SF will/has moved on signing Leonard Floyd. Plus with Chase Youn and Sweat in big contract year coming up and they were not excelling on the field, smart move by our new FO.
I like where we are and headed as a team. I have not been able to say that in a long time.
Fucking Dan Snyder is GONE in disgrace!
After we take our QB with first round pick….we pick OL, CB and LB all day. Or BPA.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1360541]The trades of Chase Young, Montez Sweat and Sam Howell look great to me now. I didn’t see it at the time, but now….

Nine draft picks in a good draft.

Six picks in the first three rounds.

Three picks in the top 40. Have we ever had so much valuable draft capital?

Especially after seeing Chase Young in SF still not being able to do the most basic thing well…stop the run/gap control. It was exposed for everyone to see. SF will/has moved on signing Leonard Floyd. Plus with Chase Youn and Sweat in big contract year coming up and they were not excelling on the field, smart move by our new FO.

I like where we are and headed as a team. I have not been able to say that in a long time.

Fucking Dan Snyder is GONE in disgrace!

After we take our QB with first round pick….we pick OL, CB and LB all day. Or BPA.[/QUOTE]The only trade I'm really on the fence about is Montez Sweat. He showed in Chicago that he can be a force, And I think Quinn's defense could really have used him. Young was definitely worth trading and Howell was clearly a good value for the trade.

bottomline, I don't think Chicago's pick can make up for Sweat's value. I hope this front office proves me wrong.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1360542]The only trade I'm really on the fence about is Montez Sweat. He showed in Chicago that he can be a force, And I think Quinn's defense could really have used him. Young was definitely worth trading and Howell was clearly a good value for the trade.

bottomline, I don't think Chicago's pick can make up for Sweat's value. I hope this front office proves me wrong.

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It makes up for it when you consider the cost of the contract and how many of the guys we have been able to sign using that cap, and more we will be able to sign over the next 3 years

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1360493]No way I would support trading next year's first. This is a deep tackle draft, there is no reason to trade that much to be able to land a good one.[/quote]
Trading our two 2ds and a 5th isn't really trading too much to get one of the top 2 tackles.

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You can argue that 1-4 are borderline bust.

TLaw hasn’t lived up to his hype at all.

I’d probably say 7 of these 32 picks are legit really good players

The draft is a crap shoot.


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There's definitely a bunch of busts on there

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TL is not a bust at all. A bust is RG3, Heath Shuler, Lance and Zach Wilson. He's a starting QB in the league but he just isn't one of the best. I never thought he was going to be great based off of in college he wasn't a pinpoint passer like Burrow became. Great athlete, and like I said, he is a starter but probably mid tier. He is tough as nails, I like TL, you can win w/ him.

I think Daniels will probably be similar to TL. I don't think he's going to be an elite starter, but perhaps a good to really good.

I still stand by Michael Penix. He just has that "IT" factor when the ball comes off his huge hands. He needs a line. You gotta give him some deep threats.. I love the maturity, mental toughness and the elite arm. The Vikings should draft him.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1360546]It makes up for it when you consider the cost of the contract and how many of the guys we have been able to sign using that cap, and more we will be able to sign over the next 3 years[/quote]

Exactly. This FO and coaching staff is able to get their players.
Not the players somebody else wanted. What I see so far is they are picking up Dan Quinn’s and his staff’s type of player.
Plus they added veteran leaders like Bobby Wagner to help teach Dan Quinn’s system to the many young guys coming in from the draft.
That is so important.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1360551]TL is not a bust at all. A bust is RG3, Heath Shuler, Lance and Zach Wilson. He's a starting QB in the league but he just isn't one of the best. I never thought he was going to be great based off of in college he wasn't a pinpoint passer like Burrow became. Great athlete, and like I said, he is a starter but probably mid tier. He is tough as nails, I like TL, you can win w/ him.

I think Daniels will probably be similar to TL. I don't think he's going to be an elite starter, but perhaps a good to really good.

I still stand by Michael Penix. He just has that "IT" factor when the ball comes off his huge hands. He needs a line. You gotta give him some deep threats.. I love the maturity, mental toughness and the elite arm. The Vikings should draft him.[/quote]

And Lawrence has them 8-3 and the #1 seed before he got hurt.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1360551]TL is not a bust at all. A bust is RG3, Heath Shuler, Lance and Zach Wilson. He's a starting QB in the league but he just isn't one of the best. I never thought he was going to be great based off of in college he wasn't a pinpoint passer like Burrow became. Great athlete, and like I said, he is a starter but probably mid tier. He is tough as nails, I like TL, you can win w/ him.

I think Daniels will probably be similar to TL. I don't think he's going to be an elite starter, but perhaps a good to really good.

I still stand by Michael Penix. He just has that "IT" factor when the ball comes off his huge hands. He needs a line. You gotta give him some deep threats.. I love the maturity, mental toughness and the elite arm. The Vikings should draft him.[/quote]

i was all in on Penix UNTIL I watched him on the Big stage in there final game last year .. He was not good !

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1360549][IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240317/0de28371c77d7281aa83a83133637bfe.jpg[/IMG]
You can argue that 1-4 are borderline bust.

TLaw hasn’t lived up to his hype at all.

I’d probably say 7 of these 32 picks are legit really good players

The draft is a crap shoot.


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The relevance of the current status of the first three picks from this past draft shines a bright light on our situation in this draft. Lawrence was considered by many to be a future superstar and he was drafted first. To date, he hasn't developed as expected. The other two who were drafted second and third have careers that are in disarray now and they are no longer with the teams that drafted them.

So yes, take your best shot with the No. 2 pick and hope to get your Franchise QB. Do not risk trading away the farm to move up to No. 1 only to be disappointed.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1360556]The relevance of the current status of the first three picks from this past draft shines a bright light on our situation in this draft. Lawrence was considered by many to be a future superstar and he was drafted first. To date, he hasn't developed as expected. The other two who were drafted second and third have careers that are in disarray now and they are no longer with the teams that drafted them.

So yes, take your best shot with the No. 2 pick and hope to get your Franchise QB. Do not risk trading away the farm to move up to No. 1 only to be disappointed.[/quote]

To be fair the (supposedly) #2 and #3 QBs in this years draft have waaay more playing experience at big programs than those guys did.

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I prefer trading down to possibly in #5-7 range in the draft. I'm not sold on Daniels or Maye. I'd rather have Spencer Rattler (who I have a hunch will be a steal who'll be an early third round pick) than those two.

I'm sure we can find a trade partner within the top 7 picks and load up in '24 and '25 draft picks, respectively.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1360558]I prefer trading down to possibly in #5-7 range in the draft. I'm not sold on Daniels or Maye. I'd rather have Spencer Rattler (who I have a hunch will be a steal who'll be an early third round pick) than those two.

I'm sure we can find a trade partner within the top 7 picks and load up in '24 and '25 draft picks, respectively.[/quote]

Rattler over JD and Maye? Thats a Reach my man

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[QUOTE=PorkSkins;1360558]I prefer trading down to possibly in #5-7 range in the draft. I'm not sold on Daniels or Maye. I'd rather have Spencer Rattler (who I have a hunch will be a steal who'll be an early third round pick) than those two.

I'm sure we can find a trade partner within the top 7 picks and load up in '24 and '25 draft picks, respectively.[/QUOTE]


After signing more than a few starters in free agency the holes are less glaring and there is no way we can go that route. We still have 6 picks in the top 100.
Could there be a steal at quarterback somewhere outside the top 3 picks? Yes. Is it likely and am I willing to pass on the top 3 for anyone else including next years crop? No.

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1360557]To be fair the (supposedly) #2 and #3 QBs in this years draft have waaay more playing experience at big programs than those guys did.[/QUOTE]


Lawrence started at Clemson 4 games into his freshman year.