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[quote=CRedskinsRule;955829]Watching these two make me wish the Libertarian and Green Party candidates were included. These 2 might as well be saying the same thing, just shaded a tad. Let the libertarian candidate remind folks of the founding fathers warning of foreign entanglements. Let the Green candidate argue the point of less energy usage. In the end neither of these two aren't going to solve our problems or change the basic path this country is headed down.[/quote]



Truth.


Corporate America (or media) doesn't want that to happen, and as long as money resides in politics, it'll continue to be that way.

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One thing we can all agree on, is we can hardly wait for the political ads/etc to stop!

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;955829]Watching these two make me wish the Libertarian and Green Party candidates were included. These 2 might as well be saying the same thing, just shaded a tad. Let the libertarian candidate remind folks of the founding fathers warning of foreign entanglements. Let the Green candidate argue the point of less energy usage. In the end neither of these two aren't going to solve our problems or change the basic path this country is headed down.[/QUOTE]

The two party system, and the amount of money in politics is what really hurts this nation.

To be honest, I don't see that changing any time soon. Unless there is a huge popular movement/uprising.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;955836]Heard Jill Stein was arrested trying to get into the last debate.

Seriously though, why don't they invite the Libertarian and Green party candidates?[/quote]

While I agree it would be nice to see, those two parties do not have enough support to be invited to the debate. It they were allowed to attened then you have a long list of others wanting to attened the debates. There has to be a cut off at some point. I lean Libertarian but they are unorganized and have done a poor job getting their base motivated to grow the party. The green party will never make it with the wackos they have leading the party.

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[quote=hooskins;955867]The two party system, and the amount of money in politics is what really hurts this nation.

To be honest, I don't see that changing any time soon. Unless there is a huge popular movement/uprising.[/quote]


You make a good argument for reducing the federal gov. thus reducing their power over the states. What you have is a country fighting over the massive 3.7 trillion federl budget and how it is spent. Take most of that away and leave it up to the states and most of these federal issue disappear. The sze of the federal gov is what has made this all about the money.

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Why would [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Presidential_Debates"]these guys[/URL] invite anyone that isn't an elephant or a donkey?

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[quote=Daseal;955848]One thing we can all agree on, is we can hardly wait for the political ads/etc to stop![/quote]

No doubt.

And if I get another flyer stuck in my door I'm gonna rage.

[QUOTE=firstdown;955912]While I agree it would be nice to see, those two parties do not have enough support to be invited to the debate. It they were allowed to attened then you have a long list of others wanting to attened the debates. There has to be a cut off at some point. I lean Libertarian but they are unorganized and have done a poor job getting their base motivated to grow the party. The green party will never make it with the wackos they have leading the party.[/QUOTE]
I specifically said Green and Libertarian because they are on the Md ballot. if you are on the ballot in more than half the states you get a seat at the big kids table. Who cares how many people are at a debate, if I remember right the republican primaries started with more than just the top two. It is not a hard line to draw since getting on multiple state ballots show some level of organized support.

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I almost wish we had no parties . People act as if one party is the home team , and the other is the enemy ..... like redskins vz dallas . (R ) = ( D ) ...... both parties need to get their heads out of their ^$%^$%%^%$'s

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[quote=budw38;956127]I almost wish we had no parties . People act as if one party is the home team , and the other is the enemy ..... like redskins vz dallas . (R ) = ( D ) ...... both parties need to get their heads out of their ^$%^$%%^%$'s[/quote]

Parties have been around a long time, but it's how they have entrenched the money, and media, to prevent other groups from really being heard. I would have hoped the internet would have helped, but the internet side just can't organize more than a flash mob here or a flash mob there. Not really good enough to get foundations for change.

2 parties aren't bad in and of themselves, but 2 monolithic, unchanging heavyweights that control the keys to the kingdom are.

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Think about if our federal gov just ran the major functions of gov. and the states did the rest. We would not have this problem in DC.

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Did anyone even watch the debate last night,I did today.

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[quote=Giantone;956162]Did anyone even watch the debate last night,I did today.[/quote]

I'd rather kiss Rodie O'Donnell that watch one of those.
:smashfrea

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i watched the entire thing

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[quote=saden1;956011]Why would [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Presidential_Debates"]these guys[/URL] invite anyone that isn't an elephant or a donkey?[/quote]

Exactly right.

From the Wiki
[quote]In 1988, the League of Women Voters withdrew its sponsorship of the presidential debates after the George H.W. Bush and Michael Dukakis campaigns secretly agreed to a "memorandum of understanding" that would decide which candidates could participate in the debates, which individuals would be panelists (and therefore able to ask questions), and the height of the podiums. The League rejected the demands and released a statement saying that they were withdrawing support for the debates because[B] "the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter."[/B][8][/quote]

That's sums up what I felt about the debates even before they started.

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[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-33816_162-57536611/could-u.s-military-have-helped-during-libya-attack/]Could U.S. military have helped during Libya attack? - CBS News[/url]

Why weren't our military assets engaged here? Aviano and Sigonella are an hours flight away.

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We also had Terrorist taking credit for the attack two hours into the attack.

[url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/24/us-usa-benghazi-emails-idUSBRE89N02C20121024]White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack: emails | Reuters[/url]

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so, what do you think we should do first? drop a couple of bombs? engage in a war? kill a few thousand innocent people to send a message? its a sticky situation no matter how its handled

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[quote=dmek25;956722]so, what do you think we should do first? drop a couple of bombs? engage in a war? kill a few thousand innocent people to send a message? its a sticky situation no matter how its handled[/quote]How about answer urgent requests for military support when Americans are under fire? How about have a f-ing backbone and protect American lives before anything else?

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/]EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say | Fox News[/url]

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Another reason the electoral college should get ditched. The fact that ~200,000 people in Montana have the same weight as ~800,000 people in California is ridiculous.

Secondly, 3 members of the republican electoral college came out and said even if Romney won their district's they'd vote for Ron Paul? That is unacceptable to me -- if the people vote, you respect their wishes. Get rid of the electoral college already!

[url=http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/09/13/three_gop_electors_say_they_wont_vote_for_romney.html]Three GOP Electors Say They Won't Vote for Romney[/url]
[url=http://www.mercurynews.com/presidentelect/ci_21534647/3-gop-electors-say-they-wont-cast-votes]3 GOP electors say they won't cast votes for Romney - San Jose Mercury News[/url]

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[quote=Daseal;956987]Another reason the electoral college should get ditched. The fact that ~200,000 people in Montana have the same weight as ~800,000 people in California is ridiculous.

Secondly, 3 members of the republican electoral college came out and said even if Romney won their district's they'd vote for Ron Paul? That is unacceptable to me -- if the people vote, you respect their wishes. Get rid of the electoral college already!

[url=http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/09/13/three_gop_electors_say_they_wont_vote_for_romney.html]Three GOP Electors Say They Won't Vote for Romney[/url]
[url=http://www.mercurynews.com/presidentelect/ci_21534647/3-gop-electors-say-they-wont-cast-votes]3 GOP electors say they won't cast votes for Romney - San Jose Mercury News[/url][/quote]


We can't even vote on the weekends and you want to try and get rid of the electoral college?

I don't think Republicans would be please with your innovative electoral ideas.

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/ap-poll-majority-harbor-prejudice-against-blacks-073551680--election.html]AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks - Yahoo! News[/url]


Color me shocked. :rolleyes:

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[quote=NC_Skins;957175][URL="http://news.yahoo.com/ap-poll-majority-harbor-prejudice-against-blacks-073551680--election.html"]AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks - Yahoo! News[/URL]


Color me shocked. :rolleyes:[/quote]

Funny they find that something Obama has to deal with when he gets a high % of white votes but they don't talk about a white guy getting less then 10% of the black vote. Where is that poll to see if they are prejudice against white.

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[quote=firstdown;958492]Funny they find that something Obama has to deal with when he gets a high % of white votes but they don't talk about a white guy getting less then 10% of the black vote. Where is that poll to see if they are prejudice against white.[/quote]


Not all white guys are the same...plenty of white guys [and gals] with D next to their name get the black vote.



Bottom line, you and your nominees are the wrong kind of white guys because of your ideology.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;956948]How about answer urgent requests for military support when Americans are under fire? How about have a f-ing backbone and protect American lives before anything else?

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/"]EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say | Fox News[/URL][/quote]


Sammy,Fox news ...really???So much for credibility.

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[url=http://www.salon.com/2012/10/27/the_progressive_case_against_obama/]The progressive case against Obama - Salon.com[/url]



A good read.

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[quote=saden1;958518]Not all white guys are the same...plenty of white guys [and gals] with D next to their name get the black vote.



Bottom line, you and your nominees are the wrong kind of white guys because of your ideology.[/quote]

Yea, blacks have just thrived under the Dems.

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[quote=firstdown;958809]Yea, blacks have just thrived under the Dems.[/quote]....much better then under the Republicans.

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If Romney wins.......middle class loses.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LVAfPdadkGg#]Romnopoly - YouTube[/url]!

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[quote=Giantone;958844]....much better then under the Republicans.[/quote]funny you say that. Black Americans' median household income has fallen 11% under Obama....worse than the national average.

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[quote=Giantone;958845]If Romney wins.......middle class loses.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LVAfPdadkGg#"]Romnopoly - YouTube[/URL]![/quote]WHEN Romney wins.....the entire country will win. (Except for Obama bundlers/donors who received BILLIONS in gov't backed loans for their junk-bond rated green energy companies and went bankrupt and UAW members who received preferrential treatment in the UAW...ooops...GM bailout).

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[quote=Giantone;958844]....much better then under the Republicans.[/quote]

Facts and numbers are not oon your side.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;958870]WHEN Romney wins.....the entire country will win. (Except for Obama bundlers/donors who received BILLIONS in gov't backed loans for their junk-bond rated green energy companies and went bankrupt and UAW members who received preferrential treatment in the UAW...ooops...GM bailout).[/quote]

You're a true believe...that's admirable but you will be out 200 nonetheless...you can think of this payment as an indulgence fee or a tax on true believers.


Seriously though, thank you.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/30/chris-christie-obama-outstanding-in-response-to-hurricane-sandy/]Chris Christie: Obama ‘outstanding’ in response to Hurricane Sandy[/url]

I bet this hurt his ego having to praise Obama.


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Back on the Mitt frontier....it looks like Sandy isn't a Mitt Romney supporter. Probably about the worst thing that could happen to Mittens at this time. All with his and Ryan's plan to gut FEMA or get rid of it entirely.

[url=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/30/1152540/-Romney-lines-everybody-up-to-give-him-stuff-the-Red-Cross-says-it-doesn-t-want]Daily Kos: Romney lines everybody up to give him stuff the Red Cross says it doesn'tÂ*want[/url]

Really Mitt? Really efficient collecting food and goods when you know the Red Cross doesn't want that shit. Also, making people wait till you arrive so you can get a photo op? He'll make a great president. /sarcasm


[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/30/mitt-romney-fema_n_2044213.html]Mitt Romney Refuses To Talk About FEMA After Hurricane Sandy Event[/url]


I bet you didn't answer you dipshit. Does this guy have a solid position on anything? Flip/Flop/Flip/Flop

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;958870]WHEN Romney wins.....the entire country will win. [/quote]


How do you know? You don't even know what your candidate stands for. Hell Sammy, HE doesn't even know. :laughing-


Flip/Flop/Flip/Flop/Flip/Flop


Mitt stands for nothing. He just wants the title of being President.



[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/31/us/politics/race-narrows-as-campaign-enters-its-final-week.html?hp&_r=0[/url]

A bonus treat for you.

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[quote=NC_Skins;959193][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/30/chris-christie-obama-outstanding-in-response-to-hurricane-sandy/"]Chris Christie: Obama ‘outstanding’ in response to Hurricane Sandy[/URL]

I bet this hurt his ego having to praise Obama.


[IMG]http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/615267_441540379214980_840501421_o.jpg[/IMG][/quote]


Obama is doing what he knows how to do best. Hand out money. Other then that what has he done? What we will not see is the people waiting for their checks from FEMA 4 to 6 MONTHS from now if they are luck to get them then. FEMA is a nightmare.

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First, FEMA has actually improved quite a bit under this Administration. Of course, don't take my word for it, I'm a Kool Aid Drinker.

And how calloused and disconnected could you be? You act as the victims of the storm are asking for a hand-out or government assistance. I'm sure they'd much rather have their lives in tact the way it was prior to Sandy. But you can't see that because....well, I actually have no idea.

You keep saying what has Obama done? Geez dude, we were only losing 750K-800K jobs per month before he took office. I know it pains you and Sammy to admit this, but the economy is actually recovering.

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[url=http://www.salon.com/2012/10/30/mitt_romney_the_hollow_man/]Mitt Romney, the hollow man - Salon.com[/url]



Mitt comparing to a disaster recovery to this one day he and some buddies picked up "rubbish" on a football field. :doh:



[quote]Romney’s “relief” event outside of Dayton, Ohio, was surreal enough to be a campaign parody, with the candidate comparing the federal government’s hurricane relief efforts to the time he and some friends had to clean up a football field strewn with “rubbish and paper products.” It was supposed to be a parable of how Republicans handle disaster – with private charity, not government intervention – as Romney told his audience,[/quote]


I'm going to say it, if you vote for this guy, it's NOT because you think he's a superior candidate.

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Firstdown's idea of small gov't would leave our country resembling Somalia.