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So where does everyone fall on the allegation against Kavanaugh, both on the political gamesmanship of the democrats and just on the concept of an allegation of misconduct from so long ago, (that doesn't involve clear and compelling evidence).

It seems to me as a extremely garrish political play, but do you all think it is a right move from Feinstein?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1200660]So where does everyone fall on the allegation against Kavanaugh, both on the political gamesmanship of the democrats and just on the concept of an allegation of misconduct from so long ago, (that doesn't involve clear and compelling evidence).

It seems to me as a extremely garrish political play, but do you all think it is a right move from Feinstein?[/quote]
Are you sitting down? I think it's stupid and stinks! Sorry I think he is an ass but seriously ...teenagers at a party,drunk, ...from high school ? No .

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I "remember" going to a concert at the Capital Center around 18-19, drinking at the concert, being able to drive to the TGIF by College park by myself, drinking more, provoking a group of marines (who i guess thankfully didn't whoop my ass), and somehow drove to my home near Andrews AFB(at the time) in a drunken state.

I ain't never becoming a public figure LOL

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1200668]I "remember" going to a concert at the Capital Center around 18-19, drinking at the concert, being able to drive to the TGIF by College park by myself, drinking more, provoking a group of marines (who i guess thankfully didn't whoop my ass), and somehow drove to my home near Andrews AFB(at the time) in a drunken state.

I ain't never becoming a public figure LOL[/quote]

All I can say is back in the 70's in bars and at parties ,I patted a few girls on the butt and was never accused of rape . I never hurt anyone or attacked anyone and had my share of one night stands in college but it seems now "IF" I become famous that can all be used against me ,nope sorry I don't think it's right. How is there no responsibility to the girl to assume?

When is Enough ,Enough?
 

If at anytime in ones life - and i mean anytime- 15-21-75-105 you in anyway take advantage of or force yourself on a girl than you have absolutely no business being a figure of the law, let alone a Supreme Court justice. Should I have to even be pointing that out? So let them do their due diligence. After the travesty that was Merrick Garland- who to the best of my knowledge did not have any real skeletons in his closet - it is the least the God damned GOP could “suffer” through.

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[quote=punch it in;1200673]If at anytime in ones life - and i mean anytime- 15-21-75-105 you in anyway take advantage of or force yourself on a girl that you have absolutely no business being a figure of the law, let alone a Supreme Court justice. Should I have to even be pointing that out? So let them do their due diligence. After the travesty that was Merrick Garland- who to the best of my knowledge did not have any real skeletons in his closet - it is the least the God damned GOP could “suffer” through.[/quote]
Sorry but two drunk teens at a party are equally responsible ...Or "irresponsible " might be better word for their conduct,we are not talking about forcible rape . This man as much as I don't like him and I don't...please make that clear, has been on the court for awhile work for other Presidents ....the women coming forward at this time now seems very strange.

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Trump Tax Hikes are Coming.................

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-tax-hikes-coming-194457071.html[/url]



Ya knew it wouldn't be long,.........bye -bye tax cuts!!!



The Trump tax hikes are coming
Rick Newman 7 hours ago

President Trump’s biggest political win, so far, is the tax-cut legislation he signed into law late last year. But Trump is now taking action that is essentially a tax hike on American consumers, and will offset a portion of the tax cuts he has been crowing about for nine months. And in typical renegade fashion, Trump is dismissing political orthodoxy by daring to hit voters with new taxes just weeks before a crucial election.

Trump now plans to impose 10% tariffs on $200 billion worth of Chinese imports, beginning Sept. 24. The tariff will rise to 25% by the end of the year. That’s in addition to a 25% tariff on $50 billion worth of Chinese imports Trump imposed during the summer. So by Election Day in November, Trump will have placed new tariffs on $250 billion worth of stuff Americans buy every day.

A tariff is a tax collected when imported goods enter the country. It raises the cost of the good by the amount of the tariff. So a 10% tariff on a $100 product would raise its cost to $110. Producers typically try to pass the added cost onto consumers, and as the cost of certain imported goods rises, the cost of similar products not subject to tariffs can also rise, since there’s less competitive pressure pushing prices down.

The new tariffs will raise the cost of thousands of everyday items, including electronics, appliances, bicycles, tires, toys, clothing and footwear. Based on last year’s level of imports, the new China tariffs amount to a tax hike of $32.5 billion per year. If the latest set of tariffs rises to 25% and stays in place for 2019, the total additional tax would be $62.5 billion next year. The Trump tax cuts, by contrast, lowered tax payments by about $130 billion per year. So by this simple math, the China tariffs would offset about one-fourth of the Trump tax cuts this year, and nearly one-half next year.

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[quote=Giantone;1200677]Sorry but two drunk teens at a party are equally responsible ...Or "irresponsible " might be better word for their conduct,we are not talking about forcible rape . This man as much as I don't like him and I don't...please make that clear, has been on the court for awhile work for other Presidents ....the women coming forward at this time now seems very strange.[/quote]

How is she responsible for this?

You sound like a guy who refers to rape as “a cuddle with a struggle”.

We don’t know if it’s true and the timing is odd but sexual assault is so common these allegations shouldn’t be disregarded.

I was a bit too young to young to remember the Thomas Anita Hill thing other than the dude had a hair in his soda. That always weirded me out.

[quote]While his friend watched, she said, Kavanaugh pinned her to a bed on her back and groped her over her clothes, grinding his body against hers and clumsily attempting to pull off her one-piece bathing suit and the clothing she wore over it. When she tried to scream, she said, he put his hand over her mouth.

“I thought he might inadvertently kill me,” said Ford, now a 51-year-old research psychologist in northern California. “He was trying to attack me and remove my clothing.”[/quote]

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1200677]Sorry but two drunk teens at a party are equally responsible ...Or "irresponsible " might be better word for their conduct,we are not talking about forcible rape . This man as much as I don't like him and I don't...please make that clear, has been on the court for awhile work for other Presidents ....the women coming forward at this time now seems very strange.[/QUOTE]



The woman came forward years ago to her therapist number one. Number two if two drunk teens wind up at a party, and the guy covers the girls mouth and forcibly tries to remove her clothes NO that is not kids being kids. Come on G one.

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.............again "she said". I don't know this women and nether does anyone else . I really have a problem with her story ,Punch you said it yourself "if"...sorry ,I need more than a "she said" type thing before I wreck someone's life from a supposed incident 30 years prior.


jamf, cute little phrase but what I said was..... "Sorry but two drunk teens at a party are equally responsible ...Or "irresponsible " might be better word for their conduct,we are not talking about forcible rape . This man as much as I don't like him and I don't...please make that clear, has been on the court for awhile work for other Presidents ....the women coming forward at this time now seems very strange." I as the Father of three girls take this subject seriously ,very seriously which why to me something just doesn't seem right here with this story...even you say .. I quote..."We don’t know if it’s true and the timing is odd but sexual assault is so common these allegations shouldn’t be disregarded. "end quote ... disregarded ........I never said that . I had the same feeling about the Duke Lacrosse team accusations.

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Trump Obstructing a Federal Investigation!

[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/extraordinary-move-trump-declassifies-documents-related-russia-probe-n910486?cid=par-xfinity_20180918[/url]


President Trump, in a clear abuse of power, has decided to intervene in a pending law enforcement investigation by ordering the selective release of materials he believes are helpful to his defense team and thinks will advance a false narrative," Schiff said in a statement.

The president has the authority to declassify any secret in the government, but experts could not recall a president doing so in a manner that seemed to leave aside any concerns raised by his own intelligence advisers.

"This is certainly unprecedented," said Robert Litt, the former general counsel of the ODNI during the Obama administration.

"Between the compromise of sources and methods, the impact on the willingness of people to cooperate, and the potential of selective release of classified material for partisan purposes, I think intelligence officials will find it very troubling."

The FBI had no immediate comment.

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I know one thing, if Jamie Dimon runs for President Im voting for him

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[quote=Giantone;1200685]Trump Obstructing a Federal Investigation!

[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/extraordinary-move-trump-declassifies-documents-related-russia-probe-n910486?cid=par-xfinity_20180918[/url]


President Trump, in a clear abuse of power, has decided to intervene in a pending law enforcement investigation by ordering the selective release of materials he believes are helpful to his defense team and thinks will advance a false narrative," Schiff said in a statement.

The president has the authority to declassify any secret in the government, but experts could not recall a president doing so in a manner that seemed to leave aside any concerns raised by his own intelligence advisers.

"This is certainly unprecedented," said Robert Litt, the former general counsel of the ODNI during the Obama administration.

"Between the compromise of sources and methods, the impact on the willingness of people to cooperate, and the potential of selective release of classified material for partisan purposes, I think intelligence officials will find it very troubling."

The FBI had no immediate comment.[/quote]

We are in an era of true no holds barred politics. This action, Kavanaugh's accuser are just the latest examples of it.

Trump knows that if the House goes democratic he will be impeached.
The Dems know that if they don't try everything to keep a 2nd Trump appointee off the bench, the activists of their party will keep knocking off the more mainstream/long term democrats off the tickets.

It is the continued polarization of our political groups. Either the two find their way back to the center, or we will see a true third party rise that balances social justice with fiscal reality.

I am hoping for the 2nd option, but expecting neither :(

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[quote=Chico23231;1200693]I know one thing, if Jamie Dimon runs for President Im voting for him[/quote]



From what I know of him and that is not much ,he seems capable of doing the job but I would need more info.


Head of JP Morgan Chase.......

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1200683].............again "she said". I don't know this women and nether does anyone else . I really have a problem with her story ,Punch you said it yourself "if"...sorry ,I need more than a "she said" type thing before I wreck someone's life from a supposed incident 30 years prior.





jamf, cute little phrase but what I said was..... "Sorry but two drunk teens at a party are equally responsible ...Or "irresponsible " might be better word for their conduct,we are not talking about forcible rape . This man as much as I don't like him and I don't...please make that clear, has been on the court for awhile work for other Presidents ....the women coming forward at this time now seems very strange." I as the Father of three girls take this subject seriously ,very seriously which why to me something just doesn't seem right here with this story...even you say .. I quote..."We don’t know if it’s true and the timing is odd but sexual assault is so common these allegations shouldn’t be disregarded. "end quote ... disregarded ........I never said that . I had the same feeling about the Duke Lacrosse team accusations.[/QUOTE]



Of course she could be lying which is why i say do their due diligence but your statement read as ...if this happened it is just a couple of crazy kids, and you mentioned innocent ass grabbing.....Im simply saying if her story is true i think it is a complete DQ, and a crime for that matter.

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G one I would also reference her coming forward with this as early as 2012 to her therapist. I mean come on alot of kids/adults are taken advantage of and never come forward. On top of that SCJ is sort of a big deal so - no i dont think the timing is strange at all. Nor do i care. If it happened than he is done regardless of the timing.

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The best part of it is the Turtle crying foulball. It is about delaying! Really turtle? Really? Garland was stonewalled for a year with absolutely no reason- I mean come the fuck on with this guy.

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Punch , I get it I really do. Sexual assault is not a joke and yes she should be heard. As the Dad of three girls I without a doubt feel this is important.I have all so seen women use these types of allegations against people for a multitude of reasons,vindictiveness ,blackmail...and to save face and embarrassment. Is that what happen here,I don't know .You say she came out to her therapist in 2012 and maybe she did I don't know but this man has been going through this process for months now and now she comes out? Look I don't like the guy and I think he is a crappy jurist but this ....if not true ,well ,it should be criminal and if it is true he will face charges .

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[quote=punch it in;1200721]The best part of it is the Turtle crying foulball. It is about delaying! Really turtle? Really? Garland was stonewalled for a year with absolutely no reason- I mean come the fuck on with this guy.[/quote]



You know I agree with you here , the tangerine idiot should just shut up.

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Why is it all the racist bigots support the GOP? Is it because their policies hurt the people they most hate? I'd say yes.


[url]https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/20/ron-desantis-florida-racial-issues-830726[/url]



Listen to this man's interview with a journalist from politico. My mind is just boggled how people are this stupid. Trump has given them the green light to be an open racist.


[url]https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo/status/1042777846643666944[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1200694]We are in an era of true no holds barred politics. This action, Kavanaugh's accuser are just the latest examples of it.

Trump knows that if the House goes democratic he will be impeached.
The Dems know that if they don't try everything to keep a 2nd Trump appointee off the bench, the activists of their party will keep knocking off the more mainstream/long term democrats off the tickets.

It is the continued polarization of our political groups. Either the two find their way back to the center, or we will see a true third party rise that balances social justice with fiscal reality.

I am hoping for the 2nd option, but expecting neither :([/quote]


I don't think the House (if Dem controlled) will impeach Trump unless Mueller's report dictates it. It would be a dumb move on their part. Also, even if he is impeached, he still isn't going anywhere (like Clinton). You aren't going to get the 67 Senate votes needed to be removed.

Kavanaugh's accuser actually came out months ago, and even longer considering she's told the story to her husband, friends and therapist. Now, you can make the claim that Feinstein is making it political, but let's leave the accuser out of this.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1200826]Why is it all the racist bigots support the GOP? Is it because their policies hurt the people they most hate? I'd say yes.


[url]https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/20/ron-desantis-florida-racial-issues-830726[/url]



Listen to this man's interview with a journalist from politico. My mind is just boggled how people are this stupid. Trump has given them the green light to be an open racist.


[url]https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo/status/1042777846643666944[/url][/quote]

More race baiting NCSKins?
This is shameless of you!
/Sarcasm

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[quote=NC_Skins;1200826]Why is it all the racist bigots support the GOP? Is it because their policies hurt the people they most hate? I'd say yes.


[url]https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/20/ron-desantis-florida-racial-issues-830726[/url]



Listen to this man's interview with a journalist from politico. My mind is just boggled how people are this stupid. Trump has given them the green light to be an open racist.


[url]https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo/status/1042777846643666944[/url][/quote]

They did a fine job seperating themselves from this nut, but did they return his campaign contribution?

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So it's October and we all know what that means................


can't help but think of Halloween........
[IMG]https://78.media.tumblr.com/1d74d40c80c35f9695f2a074d2184fa3/tumblr_p3hy1fuq051uyav8ao1_500.png[/IMG]

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[quote=Giantone;1201448]So it's October and we all know what that means................


can't help put think of Halloween........
[IMG]https://78.media.tumblr.com/1d74d40c80c35f9695f2a074d2184fa3/tumblr_p3hy1fuq051uyav8ao1_500.png[/IMG][/quote]

LOL that's hilarious.

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So, I found this interesting, but not about winning or losing, and/or hypocrisy, so I figured I would dredge this thread up again:

[IMG]https://i0.wp.com/www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Seats-lost-and-that-presidents-approval-rating-in-September-of-that-election-year.png?ssl=1[/IMG]

The article that goes with it is fairly unremarkable, but what I found interesting is that Trump's approval ratings at this point in his presidency line up fairly evenly with non-wartime (non-JFK) presidencies
LBJ and Obama - 46
Carter & Reagan - 42
Trump - 41
Clinton - 39

I think Nixon/Ford also are their own creature given the whole Vietnam/Resignation etc.

The article tried to tie some House seat effect to the president's approval ratings, but for my eyes, it generally disproves that
Obama's 46 was middle high and he lost the most seats
for approvals in the 40's the range was from -15 to -63. With the Republicans only having a 20'ish seat margin, historically it's unimaginable that they will keep the House.

If they do, it would be a testimony to the Democrats incompetence as much as the state of the Economy

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I find it amazing that a large mass of people, at Mexico's southern border, somehow is the US' responsibility.

These people have a country, a homeland, and right now, Mexico is not letting them pass. But we will hear horror stories of how the Republicans are separating kids and families, or some other bogus media narrative designed to impact this upcoming election.

The democrats and media will use any emotional/historical lie to get power, and I hope that the voters see through their bs.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1203390]I find it amazing that a large mass of people, at Mexico's southern border, somehow is the US' responsibility.

These people have a country, a homeland, and right now, Mexico is not letting them pass. But we will hear horror stories of how the Republicans are separating kids and families, or some other bogus media narrative designed to impact this upcoming election.

The democrats and media will use any emotional/historical lie to get power, and I hope that the voters see through their bs.[/quote]

Speaking about lies and BS , you're doing pretty good yourself.

When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1203390]I find it amazing that a large mass of people, at Mexico's southern border, somehow is the US' responsibility.



These people have a country, a homeland, and right now, Mexico is not letting them pass. But we will hear horror stories of how the Republicans are separating kids and families, or some other bogus media narrative designed to impact this upcoming election.



The democrats and media will use any emotional/historical lie to get power, and I hope that the voters see through their bs.[/QUOTE]



Your posts remind me of Bizzaro Superman.
[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181020/263074f45b6a9263e94c0e8dce79c2de.jpg[/IMG]

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Also I love how an American citizen was just murdered by terrorists, and Saudi Arabia is getting a pass because they are dumping money into Trump and Kushners businesses to gain favor with them. Once again money trumps justice. Imagine if it was a Mexican gang member that murdered him? Than tough guy Trump would be up in arms. How does this happen and Trumpers are ok with it?

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1203410]Your posts remind me of Bizzaro Superman.
[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181020/263074f45b6a9263e94c0e8dce79c2de.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]


“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”

Trump: fuck off

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[quote=punch it in;1203412]Also I love how an American citizen was just murdered by terrorists, and Saudi Arabia is getting a pass because they are dumping money into Trump and Kushners businesses to gain favor with them. Once again money trumps justice. Imagine if it was a Mexican gang member that murdered him? Than tough guy Trump would be up in arms. How does this happen and Trumpers are ok with it?[/quote]

More conspiracy theories huh? So another case of business deals where trump is pulling all the strings? Just like the Supreme Court where the outgoing court justice son had this business deal with trump who pulled the strings...you guys are amazing.

The broad stroke of “just an American citizen “ and throwing in a Mexican hypothetical....you really have no clue what’s going on and your just nodding your head to the propaganda being spewed.

Shit, lets just get to the end of the narrative you want, trump had this guy killed.

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[quote=Chico23231;1203414]More conspiracy theories huh? So another case of business deals where trump is pulling all the strings? Just like the Supreme Court where the outgoing court justice son had this business deal with trump who pulled the strings...you guys are amazing.

The broad stroke of “just an American citizen “ and throwing in a Mexican hypothetical....you really have no clue what’s going on and your just nodding your head to the propaganda being spewed.

Shit, lets just get to the end of the narrative you want, [B]trump had this guy killed[/B].[/quote]

This is the biggest stretch I've seen in years on this forum. JFC are you capable at all of actually having a decent back-and-forth?

Just for clarification, is there anyone here who does not believe MBS had a Saudi citizen hacked to death because he spoke up against Saudi Arabia?

Is there anyone here who believes Kashoggi deserved to be hacked to death for saying Saudi citizens deserve a free press?

Is there anyone here who isn't sure MBS is responsible despite the public identification of his crew travelling to the consullate?

Is there anyone here who believes the currently official Saudi story that a fight got out of hand?

Is there anyone here who believes Trump won't hold MBS responsible because we have enormous incentives as a country to not piss them off?

Is there anyone here who believes this won't be ancient history as soon as the next scandal drops?

If you have a sarcastic reply to this post fuck right off.

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nice post mooby. chico, youre up

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Is there anyone here believes he was an American citizen?

The narratives being pushed are interesting.

We had a president before who allowed genocide, the slaughter of tens of thousands, allowed terrorist organization to form and dig in who then attacked Americans and inspired terrorists attacks here at home and in Europe in the same region of the world...he did nothing. Liberals supported his inaction...and were ok with genocide and being attacked by terrorists. They seemed more worried about people getting mad at Muslims.

Now suddenly the saudis kill one of their own...and now they are triggered.

Yeah, I’m appalled and it’s terrible but I just don’t understand the anger at the president? How is he responsible?

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1203417]Is there anyone here believes he was an American citizen?

The narratives being pushed are interesting.

We had a president before who allowed genocide, the slaughter of tens of thousands, allowed terrorist organization to form and dig in who then attacked Americans and inspired terrorists attacks here at home and in Europe in the same region of the world...he did nothing. Liberals supported his inaction...and were ok with genocide and being attacked by terrorists. They seemed more worried about people getting mad at Muslims.

Now suddenly the saudis kill one of their own...and now they are triggered.

Yeah, I’m appalled and it’s terrible but I just don’t understand the anger at the president? How is he responsible?[/QUOTE]Trump is responsible. He encouraged the saudis to do this so that america would pull out from saudi thus allowing Putin to take over leadership of the middle east. At the same time the koreas are reopening shared railways in order for chinese troops to take over south korea. And trump is giving offensive weapons to ukraine so that russia will have justification to take over ukraine and estonia.

Thus trump will ensure russian domination of the world forever and putin will buy a trump hotel in exchange.

Can't believe you dont understand that chico.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1203418]Trump is responsible. He encouraged the saudis to do this so that america would pull out from saudi thus allowing Putin to take over leadership of the middle east. At the same time the koreas are reopening shared railways in order for chinese troops to take over south korea. And trump is giving offensive weapons to ukraine so that russia will have justification to take over ukraine and estonia.

Thus trump will ensure russian domination of the world forever and putin will buy a trump hotel in exchange.

Can't believe you dont understand that chico.[/quote]

Both of you are wack motherfuckers. You need your own forum dedicated to you two verbally sucking each other off.

We know Kashoggi's story by now, he was a Saudi citizen who moved to the US after SA silenced him for speaking up against them. Only people saying he was a US citizen are ill-informed.

Do you know why this is important? 15 of 19. That's the number of 9/11 hijackers from Saudi Arabia. How many repercussions did SA face for their support of Al-Qaeda again? We literally went to 2 unnecessary wars because of those attacks. Meanwhile they faced NO GODDAMN PUNISHMENT for their roles because we need them. 3000 Americans dead and their families are told the country most responsible can't be held accountable.

The US stepping back on this reaffirms that Saudi Arabia can enter a foreign country and brutally murder anyone and will face no repercussions from the one nation that can actually hold them accountable. It tells them they have the freedom to do whatever they want because of our reliance on them.

But once again, money is more important than human life. But who's kidding who here, even if the US as a country didn't have a fantastic business relationship with SA [URL="https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1052193155011960834"]Trump certainly does[/URL] so [URL="https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/oct/18/donald-trump/donald-trumps-claim-no-financial-interests-saudi-a/"]he would never do anything[/URL] to rock that boat.

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

So to be clear, as i understand it, saudi arabia has arrested the 15 individuals plus 3 high muckety mucks. We withdrew from a planned summit. The us un and international agencies are continuing the investigation in cooperation with turkey, but trump didnt utter some magic words against the one known reformer within saudi's system so ...

Serious question

What step would be appropriate punishment/deterrence?

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

maybe putting an end to this?
[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/20/us-saudi-arabia-seal-weapons-deal-worth-nearly-110-billion-as-trump-begins-visit.html[/url]

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[quote=dmek25;1203421]maybe putting an end to this?
[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/20/us-saudi-arabia-seal-weapons-deal-worth-nearly-110-billion-as-trump-begins-visit.html[/url][/quote]

Why?

You have to remember dmek, when Obama sent a state sponsor of Terror Iran this: [url]https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-tally-of-iran-sanctions-relief-includes-more-than-10-billion-in-cash-gold-1483112751[/url]

A Tally of Iran Sanctions Relief Includes More Than $10 Billion in Cash, Gold

This money helped finance the Houthi takeover In Yemen ...Iran financed, armed and trained them too. The obama adminstration admitted it.

They brought a civil war to Saudi Arabia door where then the houthis attacked the country.

Saudi Arabia has been a staunch ally in the Middle East against terror, isis and Iran elements across the region.