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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277871][IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210222/c01ee0f73643c79c554d643970f19de3.jpg[/IMG]

The number 1 ranked FA QB per The Athletic?

This man

(They clearly have Dak ahead but he’s not a FA)

I don’t see this happening and I’m not in favor of Cam but I also won’t be all pissy if they do sign him. He’d be the QB1 on this current roster IMO[/quote]

I can’t even begin to comprehend how, after the abysmal performance Cam demonstrated in NE this past year that anyone could 1) declare Cam the #1 FA QB, and 2) declare Cam the #1 FA QB

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[quote=SkinzWin;1277873]I can’t even begin to comprehend how, after the abysmal performance Cam demonstrated in NE this past year that anyone could 1) declare Cam the #1 FA QB, and 2) declare Cam the #1 FA QB[/quote]

The list is bad lol also he probably has the worst surrounding cast in the league outside of Darnold..

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277867]Franchise QBs rarely hit free agency - unless they are past their prime. TB12 may be the only exception in the league's history.[/quote]

Yup.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277877]The list is bad lol also he probably has the worst surrounding cast in the league outside of Darnold..[/quote]

The real problem with Cam isn't his abysmal accuracy, inability to effectively read complex Ds even after all these years, health issues (hey a running QB who can't stay healthy and never learned to optimize his pocket passing, imagine that). It is that he lacks the heart of a champion. He showboats and wants all the credit when things go good, then lashes out when things bad and people want to hold him accountable. Like during his SB window. NEVER win the big one with a turd like that at the most important position. The real problem with Cam, even if he was a great physical QB, is his character.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277868]I respect that opinion. I'm just saying [B]I[/B] don't look at the QB position any differently. A reach is a reach. Drafting a 2nd round talent in the 1st round is dumb.[/quote]

I agree in theory, but it may not be that digital. If you have a guy you think is your franchise QB and you have him slotted late first or early second round, and all you have is a mid-round 1st and 2nd, what do you do? Draft the guy you think is a franchise QB 15 slots early, or not get him? Trading back or up ideal, but not always possible. I am a staunch BPA guy, but I think all rules have some exceptions, and a minor reach for a franchise QB may be necessary. This is MUCH different than trading 4+ high picks to move up super high, etc.

We have people seriously discussing trading 4+ 1st and 2nd round picks for a QB. If we spend a single 1st or 2nd and get our franchise QB, we won, even if we reached a bit. What I think ultimately happens is that guys with obvious 3rd or later round grades get drafted 1st round because teams desperate for QB, we should avoid that. Take Mac Jones. To me, though I love the guy, he isn't strong armed enough to take 1st round going pure BPA. I wouldn't trade up for him. But if he is sitting there at #19, which I doubt, you have to ask a hard question. If I really think he is a long term franchise QB, and I have a MLB or CB rated higher, do I reach 20 spots to find a long-term answer at most important position in football? I'm not saying I know, but for a lot of proven GMs, the answer is yes.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1277843]Houston's price is going to come down if they become serious about moving on from Watson. To me they are pulling a Bruce Allen and making outrageous demands at the moment, so it is hard to take anything serious (remember when he asked for Denzel Ward in a Trent Williams potential trade with the Browns?)[/quote]

They are sending a message to Watson. You'd better try to make this work because we WILL hold firm and let you eat the shitburger. You give even an inch taking offers, Watson wins, and no way they let him win. There is absolutely 0% chance the ownership in Houston caves.

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[quote=Scalper;1277883]The real problem with Cam isn't his abysmal accuracy, inability to effectively read complex Ds even after all these years, health issues (hey a running QB who can't stay healthy and never learned to optimize his pocket passing, imagine that). It is that he lacks the heart of a champion. He showboats and wants all the credit when things go good, then lashes out when things bad and people want to hold him accountable. Like during his SB window. NEVER win the big one with a turd like that at the most important position. The real problem with Cam, even if he was a great physical QB, is his character.[/quote]

Diva. With the attire to match.

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[quote=Scalper;1277883]The real problem with Cam isn't his abysmal accuracy, inability to effectively read complex Ds even after all these years, health issues (hey a running QB who can't stay healthy and never learned to optimize his pocket passing, imagine that). It is that he lacks the heart of a champion. He showboats and wants all the credit when things go good, then lashes out when things bad and people want to hold him accountable. Like during his SB window. NEVER win the big one with a turd like that at the most important position. The real problem with Cam, even if he was a great physical QB, is his character.[/quote]

100% agree with this. And with that being said, I can't imagine RR will settle for him. Even on a one year deal.

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[quote=Scalper;1277885]They are sending a message to Watson. You'd better try to make this work because we WILL hold firm and let you eat the shitburger. You give even an inch taking offers, Watson wins, and no way they let him win. There is absolutely 0% chance the ownership in Houston caves.[/quote]

The best thing for Houston is to take the 3 number 1 draft picks they'll likely get (along with any other picks) and rebuild. As Bruce Allen showed (at our expense) it is foolish to insist on keeping a marquee player, that doesn't want to play with your team anymore.

Watson is a 25 year old elite QB, who has the luxury of sitting for a season if the Texans play hardball with him. I'm pretty sure the Texans will change their tune as we get closer to the draft.

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The ship sailed on Cam last year. If Ron wasn't interested then I see no reason why he'd want him now.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1277907]The best thing for Houston is to take the 3 number 1 draft picks they'll likely get (along with any other picks) and rebuild. As Bruce Allen showed (at our expense) it is foolish to insist on keeping a marquee player, that doesn't want to play with your team anymore.

[B]Watson is a 25 year old elite QB, who has the luxury of sitting for a season if the Texans play hardball with him.[/B] I'm pretty sure the Texans will change their tune as we get closer to the draft.[/quote]

Technically they could put him on ice for 8 years. His 5 year deal and three franchise tags. THAT would be hardball...

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277911]Technically they could put him on ice for 8 years. His 5 year deal and three franchise tags. THAT would be hardball...[/quote]

They can, but why would they want to do that? They could easily rebuild and be competitive in 2-3 years with haul of draft picks they would get from trading Watson.

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Now that Watson and Carr (reports are he is staying in LV another yr) are out of the mix. Here is my updated wish list / rankings

1. Justin Fields - I think he fits the offense better than any FA QB left. Can start right away
2. Trey Lance - Similar to Fields but he's not ready to play yet
3. Sam Darnold - Reports are the Jets are not sold on trading him just yet so we'll see how that pans out.
4. Zach Wilson - 1 year wonder but kid can sling it
5.Mac Jones - Damn good pocket passer, accurate , decent arm. Quick release. Just slow as a turtle lol
6. Mariota - If he is traded for a 5th I'm cool with it
7. Cam - He says he'd be open to playing in WSH, he's not very good anymore so I'm not a big fan of the move if he comes but I won't Hate it either.

Thoughts?

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If we could get Fields we would be set at QB for the next decade. But I do not see any way we could get hm without at least trading up to Number 3 in the draft.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277913]Now that Watson and Carr (reports are he is staying in LV another yr) are out of the mix. Here is my updated wish list / rankings

1. Justin Fields - I think he fits the offense better than any FA QB left. Can start right away
2. Trey Lance - Similar to Fields but he's not ready to play yet
3. Sam Darnold - Reports are the Jets are not sold on trading him just yet so we'll see how that pans out.
4. Zach Wilson - 1 year wonder but kid can sling it
5.Mac Jones - Damn good pocket passer, accurate , decent arm. Quick release. Just slow as a turtle lol
6. Mariota - If he is traded for a 5th I'm cool with it
7. Cam - He says he'd be open to playing in WSH, he's not very good anymore so I'm not a big fan of the move if he comes but I won't Hate it either.

Thoughts?[/quote]

I'd swap Cam for Fitzpatrick. If all else fails with the QB hunt I think he'd be a good stop gap.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1277918]If we could get Fields we would be set at QB for the next decade. But I do not see any way we could get hm without at least trading up to Number 3 in the draft.[/quote]

I wouldn't trade up for any QB in this draft (except Lawrence).

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I hate to rely on the draft to get a late first round qb. Pick up a free agent not named Cam. Have a real competition and keep your scouts and eyes peeled for a 2nd thru 4th round talent.

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[quote=MTK;1277919]I'd swap Cam for Fitzpatrick. If all else fails with the QB hunt I think he'd be a good stop gap.[/quote]

My issue with Fitzpatrick is he has been Jekyll and Hyde throughout his career. He had a career year in Buffalo under OC Chan Gailey and Gailey was the OC for Miami last year. I do like Fitzpatrick in general but I wouldn't feel 100% confident in him if we sign him - I think he will help us win some games and I also think he will lose some games for us because of his turnovers. Although given the limited options, I would not oppose to signing Fitzpatrick if we aren't able to draft a rookie QB that is ready to play immediately.

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If we're going the free agent stop gap route, I still say Tyrod Taylor is a better option than Ryan Fitzpatrick. He is 7 years younger, more mobile, and turns the ball over half as much.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277924]If we're going the free agent stop gap route, I still say Tyrod Taylor is a better option than Ryan Fitzpatrick. He is 7 years younger, more mobile, and turns the ball over half as much.[/quote]

The thing I like with Fitzpatrick over Taylor is he pushes the ball down the field and takes chances. Taylor is more of a game manager, dump the ball down kind of guy.

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I honestly havent seen much of Tyrod Taylor the past few seasons.

I would think his play extending ability plus mobility would compliment Turner's "quick pass game = run game" mentality. Assuming all the screens etc werent just a result of Turner being handcuffed by lack of weapons/OL.

its weird but I dont really have an opinion on what we do at QB. I feel like there are so many options, best option might be to sit back and monitor the unfolding options and wait for one to fall into our lap.

Mac Jones or Trey Lance falls to 19? great.

Tyrod Taylor or Fitz would agree to a team friendly deal? great

Dak would accept 35M per? Great (maybe .. idk)

Marriota or some other slight upgrade avail for a 5th? Great

Roll with Allen and Heinike plus a ton of upgrades? Great

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eu7wrQXXcAQz64y?format=png&name=large[/IMG]

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^Alex smith GQ article

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[quote=MTK;1277925]The thing I like with [B]Fitzpatrick[/B] over Taylor is he [B]pushes the ball down the field[/B] and takes chances. Taylor is more of a game manager, dump the ball down kind of guy.[/quote]

I've heard this before, that Fitzpatrick pushes the ball down the field more than Taylor, but I don't know how accurate that statement is. I don't have subscriptions or access to any advanced stats sites, but what's available doesn't support it. Everything I see shows that Taylor actually pushes the ball down the field more than Fitzpatrick. They are pretty close in that regard, but Taylor gets the slight edge.

Fitzmagic is a true gunslinger, but he takes TOO many chances. Which is why he throws almost 8 interceptions for every 10 touchdowns.

The defense is good and could be better next year, but that's just not complementary football, and it's not sustainable over the course of a season. There's a reason he's played for 25% of the teams in the league.

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What team would have wanted him back??

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If you sign Fitz you have to be ready for him to lose you some games. It’s Just in his nature, he has some great games and some really bad ones.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277932]If you sign Fitz you have to be ready for him to lose you some games. It’s Just in his nature, he has some great games and some really bad ones.[/quote]

Guys like Darnold and Mariota will have you in the same boat pretty much.

Like I said Fitzpatrick would be my QB of last resort. If we can't draft anyone or find anything better in free agency RF isn't a bad option and at the very least gives you a good option to compete with Allen and Heinicke and be the veteran mentor.

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I watch and listen to Louie tee and have to agree with him RF is basically AS your not moving the needle. I'd rather bring in another young QB and have them all battle it out. TH, KA and another young QB.

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Like we didn't know it already but definitely no way Alex is coming back now, unless his market isn't what he thinks it is and nobody wants to offer him anything.

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[quote=mooby;1277945]Like we didn't know it already but definitely no way Alex is coming back now, unless his market isn't what he thinks it is and nobody wants to offer him anything.[/quote]

Like you said - I think we know it already.

I don't know what the heck he was expecting though. I mean it's not like anyone on this planet [I]really[/I] thought he would come back from that terrible injury. That small group of people that apparently thought he could come back and play - well they probably live under the same roof as him.

He expected the new regime to just sit their 1st round pick, and the dude they traded a 5th round pick for, and welcome him with open arms to give him the opportunity to find out if he could even play football still, but it sounds like he didn't even know if he could do it. Well no shit... C'mon, who is he kidding?

It's truly an amazing story, but I think that has to be the last chapter, right? At least in Washington... They don't owe him anything, and if the organization is serious about getting better, he can't be coming back.

Maybe he should call up Urban Meyer and see if he needs a mentor for their new rookie.

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I guess that Alex Smith front office idea has hit a snag.

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Yeah I don’t see smith coming back after those words... He actually sounded bitter

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277946]Like you said - I think we know it already.

[B]I don't know what the heck he was expecting though.[/B] I mean it's not like anyone on this planet [I]really[/I] thought he would come back from that terrible injury. That small group of people that apparently thought he could come back and play - well they probably live under the same roof as him.

He expected the new regime to just sit their 1st round pick, and the dude they traded a 5th round pick for, and welcome him with open arms to give him the opportunity to find out if he could even play football still, but it sounds like he didn't even know if he could do it. Well no shit... C'mon, who is he kidding?

It's truly an amazing story, but I think that has to be the last chapter, right? At least in Washington... They don't owe him anything, and if the organization is serious about getting better, he can't be coming back.

Maybe he should call up Urban Meyer and see if he needs a mentor for their new rookie.[/quote]

This. Part of being the first man to ever come back from a previous career-ending injury most likely means the amount of people who believe you can come back from it is a small circle at best. Like if he had failed, nobody would've been shocked just because of the severity.

I'm sure he used it as motivation and I'm happy he proved us all wrong, but it still doesn't change our need to get younger and better. Nobody still knows if his leg can still hold up under an entire season.

I hope after he retires he doesn't hold any ill will against us for our position, I think maybe he just got caught up in the moment.

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[quote=MTK;1277933]Guys like Darnold and Mariota will have you in the same boat pretty much.

Like I said Fitzpatrick would be my QB of last resort. If we can't draft anyone or find anything better in free agency RF isn't a bad option and at the very least gives you a good option to compete with Allen and Heinicke and be the veteran mentor.[/quote]

I would rather see what Heinecke has for one year than waste time on busts and retreads. Especially because you end up surrendering picks for Darnold and Mariota, almost certainly multiple picks for either. If we redrafted today, based on NFL production, Darnold and Mariota certainly aren't 1st round picks, and maybe not even 2nd. There are QBs just as good available in 2nd and 3rd rounds, that are young, and on cheap rookie deals. The sound approach is drafting our QB.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1277935]I watch and listen to Louie tee and have to agree with him RF is basically AS your not moving the needle. I'd rather bring in another young QB and have them all battle it out. TH, KA and another young QB.[/quote]

What did Smith ever win, even when healthy, on STACKED teams. Dumb trade, dumb contract, he's made like $50M+ for above average production and nothing more. I think Allen worst of bunch. Knows system, but NO upside. The best approach would be to draft 2 QBs with Heinecke, and maybe a late 6th or 7th rounder on PS. You could seriously make the case for 3 QBs drafted--if we had a real GM and not a coach GM--and take the long view. We're not worried about stopgaps, we're worried about finding a LONG-TERM franchise QB. 3 rookies and Hein, let them compete. Or 2 rookies and a UDFA practice squad.

Our entire approach--and that of most posters--is so shortsighted. We must find a franchise QB in the draft, even if takes several lottery tickets over several years.

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[quote=mooby;1277952]This. Part of being the first man to ever come back from a previous career-ending injury most likely means the amount of people who believe you can come back from it is a small circle at best. Like if he had failed, nobody would've been shocked just because of the severity.

I'm sure he used it as motivation and I'm happy he proved us all wrong, but it still doesn't change our need to get younger and better. Nobody still knows if his leg can still hold up under an entire season.

I hope after he retires he doesn't hold any ill will against us for our position, I think maybe he just got caught up in the moment.[/quote]

I don't read acrimony, I think he was just telling the truth. The primary concern of the FO--long term durability--about his return, proved sound, as he was not durable and a shell of his former self, which was hardly some superstar. Love Smith character, but he isn't an elite player before injury. Another horrible THE DAN move time to move on from. Truth though is Smith held the power because of HORRIBLE contract THE DAN gave him. Guy's getting paid like a superstar and he isn't.

He is being selfish wanting to still play. He is not durable or dependable because of durability, and simply won't got the distance for a full season. But he can afford to talk the smack because he holds Washington FT hostage with HORRIBLE contract. Guy still has $5.4M signing bonus against cap next two years, $10.8M to cut him this year, money he's been paid. He is due 18.75M ad 20.75M this year next, salary in addition to bonus, and counts 24.4M and 26.4M against cap next two years. What he is really talking about in these statements he made is not last year, but the next two years. Of course Washington doesn't want to pay a guy who is above average at best, even if never injured, 70% of what Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, etc. make. Even with no injury Smith isn't worth even half of what he's making. You could have Tyrod Taylor or one of 6 other mediocre QBs for $6-$10M a year and have a better QB than Smith. As the season draws close, it becomes musical chairs, and guys face the reality of how little they make NOT playing at all. Early in FA, they are comparing their "small" $6M offer to Rodgers, Wilson, etc. Late in FA, they are comparing $4M to $100K as an announcer or some other real-world job.

It will only take one bad slide or hit, no matter how healthy Smith looks, for him to become functionally useless like he was late in year. But what does he care? You think he isn't going to call Washington's bluff and try and cash out for another $50.8M over next two years and hobble off into the sunset? You cut Smith, he isn't worth $5M on the open market. They have to cut him, unless he agrees to 75% or more pay cut, but why should he? Smarter for him to get cut and be a backup on a contender and walk away with a ring. HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE contract, even if he never gets hurt. Be two more years before we're fully free of all THE DAN'S horrible meddling. And yet another example of why you draft a QB, make sure he's flourishing in your building before paying King's Ransom contracts. The huge cost of QBs, especially guaranteed money, is yet another argument for draft and develop.

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[quote=Scalper;1277960]What did Smith ever win, even when healthy, on STACKED teams. Dumb trade, dumb contract, he's made like $50M+ for above average production and nothing more. I think Allen worst of bunch. Knows system, but NO upside. The best approach would be to draft 2 QBs with Heinecke, and maybe a late 6th or 7th rounder on PS. You could seriously make the case for 3 QBs drafted--if we had a real GM and not a coach GM--and take the long view. We're not worried about stopgaps, we're worried about finding a LONG-TERM franchise QB. 3 rookies and Hein, let them compete. Or 2 rookies and a UDFA practice squad.

Our entire approach--and that of most posters--is so shortsighted. We must find a franchise QB in the draft, even if takes several lottery tickets over several years.[/quote]

WFT won 7 games this year and AS was the QB for 5 of those wins. Whatever success WFT had this year is directly related to AS at QB. Had AS not come back this year there's no way this team wins more than 3 games.
That said, the comeback was great but its now time to move on and find a new QB.

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Alex Smith's success is directly related to a defense that shut down some opponents. AS a QB, Smith did nothing other than throw short dump off passes except for an occasional deep throw to McLaurin. I do not belive there is a single team in this league that would have any interest in him. His comeback was a great story. But it is time to read the last page where it says "The End".

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[quote=Ohioskins;1277963]Alex Smith's success is directly related to a defense that shut down some opponents. AS a QB, Smith did nothing other than throw short dump off passes except for an occasional deep throw to McLaurin. I do not belive there is a single team in this league that would have any interest in him. His comeback was a great story. But it is time to read the last page where it says "The End".[/quote]

I admire the guys Grit and motivation but I agree, he needs to hang it up

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[quote=Ohioskins;1277963]Alex Smith's success is directly related to a defense that shut down some opponents. AS a QB, Smith did nothing other than throw short dump off passes except for an occasional deep throw to McLaurin. [B]I do not belive there is a single team in this league that would have any interest in him.[/B] His comeback was a great story. But it is time to read the last page where it says "The End".[/quote]

I could see him reuniting with Meyer in Jacksonville to be a mentor for Lawrence