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[quote=skinsfaninok;1360559]Rattler over JD and Maye? Thats a Reach my man[/quote]

People are just outthinking themselves.

When you have the chance to take a QB in the top 3 you just do it and don't look back. I know there's no guarantee it works out but you have to take the chance.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1360557]To be fair the (supposedly) #2 and #3 QBs in this years draft have waaay more playing experience at big programs than those guys did.[/quote]

I think it is a fair comparison because many QB's in many drafts who were taken high have turned out to be busts or at least haven't reached their perceived potential. Numerous "can't miss" prospects have missed and I don't think anyone has discovered the secret formula for drafting a Franchise QB.

Still, GM's must try while knowing they may never succeed in drafting one no matter how thoroughly they evaluate QB prospects. That's because some GM's do win the Franchise QB lottery. But having a great QB won't win you a Super Bowl unless you build a good team around him.

So I think the best way for us to go in this draft is to take our best shot at drafting a great QB with the second pick in the draft and use the remaining picks to build the rest of the team.

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[quote=rocnrik;1360555]i was all in on Penix UNTIL I watched him on the Big stage in there final game last year .. He was not good ![/quote]

So you are basing an opinion off of one game? What about the game before against Texas? Do you remember when Lawrence played his last college game? He was totally outplayed by Burrow, had a bad game and was still the #1 overall first pick.

Every single QB will have bad games. Jayden Daniels had and is going to have some really bad games.

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[quote=punch it in;1360561]Lawrence started at Clemson 4 games into his freshman year.[/quote]

Yes , I was referring more to Wilson and Lance at #2 and #3. Obviously Lawrence had a lot of games at a major school, Fields went to Ohio state, but had limited starting to 1 year I think, unless I miss count when Haskins was drafted, and Mac Jones went to Alabama but only started one year.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1360558]I prefer trading down to possibly in #5-7 range in the draft. I'm not sold on Daniels or Maye. I'd rather have Spencer Rattler (who I have a hunch will be a steal who'll be an early third round pick) than those two.

I'm sure we can find a trade partner within the top 7 picks and load up in '24 and '25 draft picks, respectively.[/quote]

I'd rather eat of the toilet than do that. Spencer Rattler isnt better than any of the top 6 QBs in the draft

Also, we are already loaded on 2024 picks (2, 36, 40, 67, 78,100) 6 picks in the top 100 is more than enough to start to draft a team around a QB

Are you a South Carolina fan??

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[quote=MTK;1360562]People are just outthinking themselves.

When you have the chance to take a QB in the top 3 you just do it and don't look back. I know there's no guarantee it works out but you have to take the chance.[/quote]

Yeah I dont get it either, people really go out of their way to not make sense when it comes to the QB position.

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[quote=MTK;1360562]People are just outthinking themselves.

When you have the chance to take a QB in the top 3 you just do it and don't look back. I know there's no guarantee it works out but you have to take the chance.[/quote]

No doubt and with KK here now, there is a low chance they pass up on a QB at 2.

Pick Maye or JD and lets go

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1360565]Yes , I was referring more to Wilson and Lance at #2 and #3. Obviously Lawrence had a lot of games at a major school, Fields went to Ohio state, but had limited starting to 1 year I think, unless I miss count when Haskins was drafted, and Mac Jones went to Alabama but only started one year.[/QUOTE]


Gotcha.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1360567]I'd rather eat of the toilet than do that. Spencer Rattler isnt better than any of the top 6 QBs in the draft

Also, we are already loaded on 2024 picks (2, 36, 40, 67, 78,100) 6 picks in the top 100 is more than enough to start to draft a team around a QB

Are you a South Carolina fan??[/quote]

I'm FAR from being a Gamecocks fan. You can put butter, salt, and pepper on the toilet to give it flavor.

My opinion is I'm not sold on those QBs and would prefer to load up on more picks. Picks can also be used as collateral and not actually used for merely drafting.

I think Rattler can turn out to be a steal of a pick and we could pluck him early in the third round.

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Rattler has some game no doubt. He is the type of guy that you draft in the 3rd or 4th rounds and let him develop.

Really liked how he played vs a much stronger opponent in Georgia. It's not so much that he lit them up, it's how he kept competing, made a lot of tough throws under pressure, always keeps his eyes downfield and he can run.

Reminds me of a Baker Mayfield type.

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I'd bet we'll take a later round QB to develop. After all Peters did strike gold with Mr Irrelevant.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1360577]I'd bet we'll take a later round QB to develop. After all Peters did strike gold with Mr Irrelevant.[/QUOTE]Peters' history with trading up for Lance and then taking Mr Irrelevant and especially how those moves turned out gives me a lot of confidence in his guiding the franchise throug this draft. I believe he is going to make the right decision, whatever that may be. Not many GMs in the league have such a specific experience to draw on.

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Yeah, after they all but sold the farm to get Lance. Purdy wasn't drafted to be the next franchise guy, he was drafted to be back up to Lance. Had he not go the starting gig through injury, he may never have seen the field.

That's not a sane draft policy for drafting a starting QB. Maybe they'll take an extra QB if BPA in lower rounds, but with MM and Fromm already in the house, I doubt it. Other holes to fill.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1360575]I'm FAR from being a Gamecocks fan. You can put butter, salt, and pepper on the toilet to give it flavor.

My opinion is I'm not sold on those QBs and would prefer to load up on more picks. Picks can also be used as collateral and not actually used for merely drafting.

I think Rattler can turn out to be a steal of a pick and we could pluck him early in the third round.[/quote]


I'll 100% pass on Spencer Rattler, I don't see how you can be not sold on any of the top 3 prospects, but be sold.on Spencer Rattler in the 3rd round.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1360576]Rattler has some game no doubt. He is the type of guy that you draft in the 3rd or 4th rounds and let him develop.

Really liked how he played vs a much stronger opponent in Georgia. It's not so much that he lit them up, it's how he kept competing, made a lot of tough throws under pressure, always keeps his eyes downfield and he can run.

Reminds me of a Baker Mayfield type.[/quote]


He was 22/42 with 2 ints in that game

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[quote=MTK;1360577]I'd bet we'll take a later round QB to develop. After all Peters did strike gold with Mr Irrelevant.[/quote]

With our last pick of the draft yeah I can see that.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1360579]Yeah, after they all but sold the farm to get Lance. Purdy wasn't drafted to be the next franchise guy, he was drafted to be back up to Lance. Had he not go the starting gig through injury, he may never have seen the field.

That's not a sane draft policy for drafting a starting QB. Maybe they'll take an extra QB if BPA in lower rounds, but with MM and Fromm already in the house, I doubt it. Other holes to fill.[/quote]

Obviously Purdy was an afterthought but the point is it's never a bad thing to keep looking at QBs even when you think you have one.

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My take away from that draft is that Peters' learned first hand how easy it is for even extremely competent people to overestimate and underestimate the quarterback position.

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[quote=MTK;1360583]Obviously Purdy was an afterthought but the point is it's never a bad thing to keep looking at QBs even when you think you have one.[/quote]

I agree with that, I just think 49ers lucked into Purdy. I agree you keep picking QB's IF you like something about them enough (and not just because they're there on the board). And maybe you get lucky. I just feel you don't get reckless with the #2 pick; you take the guy the film, reports and your gut says is the best for your situation. You don't trade the farm to go after the #1 pick unless you and everyone around you are convinced he's the guy. You don't trade out of #2 because he might not be the guy. Going for the guy in round in rounds 4-7 with the belief he might be the one is foolish if you have nothing to back up that belief. Don't trade back unless you are certain Daniels and/or Maye is not your guy. Don't reach for a McCarthy or Penix just because you traded back and now HAVE to pick a QB. It's a fine line.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1360585]I agree with that, I just think 49ers lucked into Purdy. I agree you keep picking QB's IF you like something about them enough (and not just because they're there on the board). And maybe you get lucky. I just feel you don't get reckless with the #2 pick; you take the guy the film, reports and your gut says is the best for your situation. You don't trade the farm to go after the #1 pick unless you and everyone around you are convinced he's the guy. [B]You don't trade out of #2 because he might not be the guy.[/B] Going for the guy in round in rounds 4-7 with the belief he might be the one is foolish if you have nothing to back up that belief. Don't trade back unless you are certain Daniels and/or Maye is not your guy. Don't reach for a McCarthy or Penix just because you traded back and now HAVE to pick a QB. It's a fine line.[/quote]

You definitely trade out of # 2 (or pick another position), if you're not convinced one of those QBs is your guy. Doing otherwise would be foolish. You can regret the decision later, but you don't just take a QB at #2 to take a QB...same goes for any pick at any point in the draft.

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Rattler has terrible mechanics, field vision, and a low football IQ according to his scouting profile. If He cannot think quick enough in college he is going to get absolutely destroyed in the pros.


If there is some quarterback that is hanging around in the 7th round who has potential than sure take a shot but I would rather find a ST contributor or solid depth elsewhere before I look for a third string quarterback to replace Fromm who I like.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1360549][IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240317/0de28371c77d7281aa83a83133637bfe.jpg[/IMG]
You can argue that 1-4 are borderline bust.

TLaw hasn’t lived up to his hype at all.

I’d probably say 7 of these 32 picks are legit really good players

The draft is a crap shoot.


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There are six guys in the first column alone who are really good. Surtain has had injury issues but when he is there he is good. Pitts will have a breakout year with Cousins. There are probably 15-16 legit players from that round. Couple on shit teams or with injury issues but….

Yes it is a crap shoot to an extent but not completely.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1360581]He was 22/42 with 2 ints in that game[/quote]

You had to watch the game and not just look at the stat sheet.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1360590]You had to watch the game and not just look at the stat sheet.[/quote]

I did, and Rattler just isn't that good. Could he shock everyone and turn into something? Sure anyone could but Im not betting any money on him that he does

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1360579]Yeah, after they all but sold the farm to get Lance. Purdy wasn't drafted to be the next franchise guy, he was drafted to be back up to Lance. Had he not go the starting gig through injury, he may never have seen the field.

That's not a sane draft policy for drafting a starting QB. Maybe they'll take an extra QB if BPA in lower rounds, but with MM and Fromm already in the house, I doubt it. Other holes to fill.[/quote]

Not too many team could afford to give up what the Niners did to be able to draft Trey Lance, have him bust, and still remain contenders. They drafted so well they could overcome this miss. That's so impressive and gives me more reason to be excited.

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i would draft 2 QB's .. Whoever with the #2 and later on find another Kirk Cousins in the 4-5 rounds ( which is why i thought trading Sam was a mistake but if we could get another QB it would be great ) signing Marcus M was a mistake .. Fromm ? , we a gambling that the #2 overall pick is the FRANCHISE QB we need ! i hope it works out .

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PFN will offer some outrageous deals. But when you try to propose your own deal and the simulator turns into a real asshole. I offered Vikings No. 2 for No.'s 11/23. They would do that trade in real life in a fucking heartbeat. But nope, rejected.

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[quote=rocnrik;1360599]i would draft 2 QB's .. Whoever with the #2 and later on find another Kirk Cousins in the 4-5 rounds ( which is why i thought trading Sam was a mistake but if we could get another QB it would be great ) signing Marcus M was a mistake .. Fromm ? , we a gambling that the #2 overall pick is the FRANCHISE QB we need ! i hope it works out .[/quote]

I am confused by some of the people here, all we heard before this college season is that this is one of the strongest QB classes in years especially at the top, were in position to draft one without having to give anything up and people are backpedaling better than Revis in 2009.

Since 2000 theres only been 5 SBs that didnt involve a first round pick at QB at all, and 4 of those 5 involved Tom Brady, the one that didn't 2002.

We have six picks in the top 100 (Then 2 more in the next 55) and have made very smart FA moves and we have players Allen, Payne, McLaurin, and Cosmi that weve seen play at a high to very high level.


Let's all take a breath and get ready to welcome either Daniels or Maye to the team.

Also, Mariota is a backup thats why he was brought here, dont know why we are panicing about him.

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It's too long until the draft and to keep our brains busy we are starting to dream up new scenarios for their entertainment value.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1360605]It's too long until the draft and to keep our brains busy we are starting to dream up new scenarios for their entertainment value.[/quote]

Yep, and still over a month left to go.

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I'd bet money that Maye will be no better than Sam and Daniels will get hurt he doesn't have the build to take punishment just like RG iii .. And Marcus is a joke ! History is on my side ..count all the QB bust and tell me different ..we ain't getting CJ stroud or patrick Mahomes .. we getting a Josh Rosen,Zach Wilson,Kenny Pickett,Trey Lance,Bryce Young,Justin Fields,Desmond Ritter, Bailey Zappe,Sam Darnold .. that is what History and facts are telling us ..I'm not sold on this years QB class ..if you are great !

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business case:
take QB #2 (which the fans are generally hyped about/expecting)
- increased ticket sales, more jerseys/stadium attendance/food sales/etc. Coaches/GM get 2 years of patience and even if it doesn't work out, everyone was on board/thought it'd work out, so AP keeps his job and tries again.


OTOH: If rattler is the 2nd coming, AP gets called a genius, but if it fails, he gets fired.

There's a lot of 'I don't want to draft a QB at 2 because none of these players are absolutely perfect in every way, but I'd love to trade down and get someone that's generally considered way worse instead'

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[quote=rocnrik;1360608]I'd bet money that Maye will be no better than Sam and Daniels will get hurt he doesn't have the build to take punishment just like RG iii .. And Marcus is a joke ! History is on my side ..count all the QB bust and tell me different ..we ain't getting CJ stroud or patrick Mahomes .. we getting a Josh Rosen,Zach Wilson,Kenny Pickett,Trey Lance,Bryce Young,Justin Fields,Desmond Ritter, Bailey Zappe,Sam Darnold .. that is what History and facts are telling us ..I'm not sold on this years QB class ..if you are great ![/quote]

This post is depressing as fuck.

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I don't care what they do at #2. I'd be surprised if they don't select a QB, but who knows. Trade up, trade down, make a selection - I will defer to the experts on what the best thing for this team is. It's tough to imagine that they traded Sam and don't plan to select a QB at # 2 though.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1360614]I don't care what they do at #2. I'd be surprised if they don't select a QB, but who knows. Trade up, trade down, make a selection - I will defer to the experts on what the best thing for this team is. It's tough to imagine that they traded Sam and don't plan to select a QB at # 2 though.[/QUOTE]


[emoji817] This.

Well maybe 98%. I absolutely believe they have a plan whether it's trade down or whether It's take a QB at 2 they know what they are going to do and I am completely on board with it. I just wish it wasn't a month away.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1360600]PFN will offer some outrageous deals. But when you try to propose your own deal and the simulator turns into a real asshole. I offered Vikings No. 2 for No.'s 11/23. They would do that trade in real life in a fucking heartbeat. But nope, rejected.

[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/3rhgzM0/PFN-Draft-result-1710802293966.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]


Totally. I will randomly get offered 3 picks in the first two rounds and next years first to move back one spot - essentially giving the Pats the first choice (would do it in a heartbeat unless Peters and co were absolutely sold on Maye or JD), but anything I offer up is rejected. Lol.

Oh and …

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1360613]This post is depressing as fuck.[/quote]

Had to add him to my ignore list, some just wanna be negative and depressed just for the sake of it

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1360616][emoji817] This.

Well maybe 98%. I absolutely believe they have a plan whether it's trade down or whether It's take a QB at 2 they know what they are going to do and I am completely on board with it. I just wish it wasn't a month away.

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Not me. I will be thoroughly disappointed if they trade out of the top 3.
I am no expert but I don’t see how this quarterback starved franchise can pass on one of these three guys. If whoever we pick goes full Shuler or RG-3 I can live with it. It happens all the time, but like many others have said you keep trying until you get it right. You have to take the best option available at quarterback until you get it right. If next years class was supposedly loaded I could almost understand grabbing an OT and a bunch of picks but next years class looks weak at the moment. Also we have 8 other picks, 5 in the top 100, so it isn’t like we are hurting for good picks. Strike while the iron is hot. Top 3 pick with 3 stud quarterbacks available? 9 draft picks - 6 in the top 100? The iron isn’t going to get any hotter. Like Quake said, get ready to welcome JD, or Maye to the team.

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[quote=punch it in;1360617]Totally. I will randomly get offered 3 picks in the first two rounds and next years first to move back one spot - essentially giving the Pats the first choice (would do it in a heartbeat unless Peters and co were absolutely sold on Maye or JD), but anything I offer up is rejected. Lol.

Oh and …

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Had to take a brief leave to go find some mango for official draft season.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1360618]Had to add him to my ignore list, some just wanna be negative and depressed just for the sake of it[/quote]

I'm definitely more negative here than I am in real life. But yeah, I don't get the need to be negative about what we've all been waiting for, for a long time. We haven't picked anyone yet and he hasn't played a down. I mean, it's time to be positive, even just for sanity's sake.