Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=kct1975;1117623]Excellent breakdown!

The points made made in this article, and the points made in a few other article posted, about RG3 not moving around in the pocket enough, all go back to what I, and others have said...

It looks like RG3 has lost his confidence.

Basically, it seems that RG3 "thinks too much" when he takes the snap and drops back.

My opinion, as to why he gets sacked so much is...

1. He focuses too much on the primary target, and the secondary targets,down field.

He doesn't seem to be aware of what is going on around him. Which is one of the reasons that he doesn't seem to move to the left or right to avoid the rush.

2. As the linked article points out, he doesn't seem to have enough faith in the offensive plays to stick with the play as-called, and is too ready to 'check-down'. Also RG3 seems to have lost faith in his ability to 'thread-the-needle'

So, IMHO, it seems that the problems that RG3 has are mostly confidence related.

Unfortunately, I have seen that kind of thing before, with players like David Woodley, Derrick Carr, ect.[/quote]

And it's been widely reported that he often calls the wrong protection at the line. He doesn't appear to have much pre-snap recognition either, which forces him to be too reactionary. Doesn't seem to anticipate who is likely to be open on a given play or where to expect pressure.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=44Deezel;1117703]And it's been widely reported that he often calls the wrong protection at the line. He doesn't appear to have much pre-snap recognition either, which forces him to be too reactionary. Doesn't seem to anticipate who is likely to be open on a given play or where to expect pressure.[/quote]

Cooley was talking about the protection call today in the context of assigning blame.

Smith got savaged in the media the day after the game for his play. It was not good, but if you listened to the film breakdown the other day, Cooley said it wasn't as bad as the knee jerk columnists made it out to be. Hopefully, if TW gets dinged somebody else will be the sub.

He said that every player in the locker room knows how everyone else is playing, good or bad. They also know that Griffin blew the protection call. The quickest way to lose the locker room, if it hasn't happened with the coddling already, is to let a guy get blamed for something that wasn't his fault in such a public way.

The audio link isn't up on epsn 980 yet because it wasn't a special segment. The discussion is a very interesting listen and makes sense anyway you think about; from a player's perspective or just human nature.

They also discussed the pros and cons of cutting Griffin now before the season started. The way to sell it being it is in Griffin's best interest to get a fresh start.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

I think at this point a lot of us are beating a dead horse, I know for me the only reason I can't seem to put this to rest is because I can't wrap my head around the loyalty that the organization is giving RGIII. I could understand it if it was someone like John Elway that had taken the team to numerous SBs and won it and he's in is last days and he's starting to stink it up but you stick with him because he meant so much to the franchise.

Also what is the potential of RGIII that is so much more then the other two QBs. I could understand it if we were right at the end of 2012. But we have had 2 years of complete stink it up. I just don't get it. At this point the only thing that RGIII can do better than the other GBs is throw the ball further. That's not enough.

Plus the complete double standard. You can't say over and over again, we want to evaluate all the players and put the best 53 men out there, except when it comes to RGIII.

I hope he either plays really well and gives me a reason to root for him, or he totally stinks it up. My worst fear is that he plays medium to poor and I have to suffer through another year of this.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

Should McCoy's relationship with Cooley and Paulsen be considered a leak?

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[B][U]Kurt Warner[/U][/B]
"There were some things that I saw on tape where you could easily say if Robert maybe went to the other side on a couple of those reads, he could have got the ball out a little bit quicker,” Warner told old friend Dan Hellie on NFL Network. “But I think we have to be honest when we look at the tape, and say this wasn’t RGIII’s fault, for the most part. He wasn’t back there holding onto the ball, hitching, looking both directions. He was back there, he was dropping, he was trying to get the ball out of his hands, and his offensive line really, really struggled [Thursday] night."


[B][U]PFF:[/U][/B]
[COLOR="SeaGreen"]For the Washington Redskins to be successful this season, they are going to need to give Robert Griffin III time in the pocket. That wasn’t the case versus the Detroit Lions on Thursday night.

— Pressured on six of his eight dropbacks, Robert Griffin III’s three incompletions came about by way of a dropped pass, a batted pass and being hit as he threw. His supporting cast ensured that aside from ball security (two fumbles — the primary reasons behind his -3.8 grade), there was little or nothing to draw from his performance.[/COLOR]


[B][U]Jay Gruden:[/U][/B]

[COLOR="SeaGreen"]So far with Robert, [SIZE="5"]unfortunately, as play callers we’ve done a poor job of getting our team into a rhythm[/SIZE]. We haven’t got a first down and then followed up with a nice bootleg or something like that. We’ve just been first down, second down, third down, punt, it seems like it was against Detroit. [SIZE="5"]It’s very necessary for us to try to get our offense moving positively a little bit to get us in a rhythm, we just haven’t been able to do that.[/SIZE] Defense, give them a lot of credit. Detroit played great defense, pass rush. They stopped the run, made it very difficult on us. They were No. 2 ranked in the league last year for a reason. But we do have to compete a lot better than that with our ones.[/COLOR]


I'm going to blame our local media for turning ~8 drop backs in a preseason game into referendum.

We're talking about a pre-season game where our 1st unit offense played the #2 ranked defense with a 3rd string LT and with an OT at TE. Where our QB, who to be sure made mistakes, but played under duress.

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It's already a full blown circus at Redskins park and we're only at pre-season game #3. :doh:


[B] ‏@granthpaulsen

Timeline: In-game Redskins broadcast network says RG3 did not have concussion. HC says he did. One week later, Griffin says he doesn't know.[/B]

[B]
@P_Hazard

If Gruden said he had one to keep him from media, while wrong, Griffin not confirming for company line essentially throws Gruden under bus[/B]


[B]
@MikeJonesWaPo

So, Griffin isn't sure if/when he suffered a concussion. Asked if he thought he should've played fourth series, "I just work here, man."
[/B]


So tired of the drama. At this point, I just want Robert to go away.


Even Joey T. thinks that it's time for Robert to shut up. I especially liked what Cooley had to say....
[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/08/27/joe-theismann-its-time-for-robert-to-be-quiet/[/url]


[quote]Meanwhile, ESPN 980’s Chris Cooley added a possibly related although quite different suggestion: that Griffin needs to speak up more, in the sense of absolving his teammates from some of the blame they took after the Lions game last week.

“If I ran a post route and the quarterback threw a corner route and it was picked, and everyone in the media said, Cooley ran the wrong route, Cooley ran the wrong route, and then the quarterback didn’t step up and say anything for me, we’ve got problems, man,” Cooley said. “This happens more times than people understand, but this clearly happened in this last week with Willie Smith and the offensive line at times. …

“There’s enough people on this team that want to say, ‘Man, this isn’t the offensive line.’ But if you can’t address it as a man and say, ‘I messed this up, it’s not my guys, it’s not my teammates, I’m a leader of the team and I’m going to take this because it was mine in the first place.’ ”[/quote]


Bottom line. Robert isn't taking responsibility like he should. I have to imagine the respect level is very low for him in the locker room.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=30gut;1117735][B][U]Kurt Warner[/U][/B]
"There were some things that I saw on tape where you could easily say if Robert maybe went to the other side on a couple of those reads, he could have got the ball out a little bit quicker,” Warner told old friend Dan Hellie on NFL Network. “But I think we have to be honest when we look at the tape, and say this wasn’t RGIII’s fault, for the most part. He wasn’t back there holding onto the ball, hitching, looking both directions. He was back there, he was dropping, he was trying to get the ball out of his hands, and his offensive line really, really struggled [Thursday] night."


[B][U]PFF:[/U][/B]
[COLOR="SeaGreen"]For the Washington Redskins to be successful this season, they are going to need to give Robert Griffin III time in the pocket. That wasn’t the case versus the Detroit Lions on Thursday night.

— Pressured on six of his eight dropbacks, Robert Griffin III’s three incompletions came about by way of a dropped pass, a batted pass and being hit as he threw. His supporting cast ensured that aside from ball security (two fumbles — the primary reasons behind his -3.8 grade), there was little or nothing to draw from his performance.[/COLOR]


[B][U]Jay Gruden:[/U][/B]

[COLOR="SeaGreen"]So far with Robert, [SIZE="5"]unfortunately, as play callers we’ve done a poor job of getting our team into a rhythm[/SIZE]. We haven’t got a first down and then followed up with a nice bootleg or something like that. We’ve just been first down, second down, third down, punt, it seems like it was against Detroit. [SIZE="5"]It’s very necessary for us to try to get our offense moving positively a little bit to get us in a rhythm, we just haven’t been able to do that.[/SIZE] Defense, give them a lot of credit. Detroit played great defense, pass rush. They stopped the run, made it very difficult on us. They were No. 2 ranked in the league last year for a reason. But we do have to compete a lot better than that with our ones.[/COLOR]


I'm going to blame our local media for turning ~8 drop backs in a preseason game into referendum.

We're talking about a pre-season game where our 1st unit offense played the #2 ranked defense with a 3rd string LT and with an OT at TE. Where our QB, who to be sure made mistakes, but played under duress.[/quote]

Cooley said yesterday that the fans and coaches have totally different ideas of how far the "last chance" goes. To the fans the RG "last chance" goes a few game into the season. To the coaches, between offseason workouts, mini-camp, etc the coaches have a plenty big enough sample size to make a decision on RG and likely already have made that decision. To the coaches the "last chance" is essentially over.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

Can we at least give this a chance to play a regular season game before end his career with the Skins?

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

The more you know, the more you realise how much you don’t know — the less you know, the more you think you know.
----someone old

I think football is real simple for RG3. He doesn't understand the intangible things he needs to do to be successful.
He sees things in binary, There is pressure or there isn't pressure.
WR is open or WR isn't open.
He doesn't understand how to help a WR get open by manipulating the safety and he doesn't understand how he can give himself more time in the pocket by sliding away from pressure.

I don't understand why Gruden is going to spend 2 years trying to convert him to a conventional QB.
Everything Gruden does is conventional without any creativity or talent. He is just a good ole boy with lots of friends.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=redskinsfan1980;1117757]Can we at least give this a chance to play a regular season game before end his career with the Skins?[/quote]

We have to but I don't think many people are optimistic about it.

This stuff is embarrassing.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

I will go as far as saying WITH RGlll behind center we might lose every game…with Cousins we could win 9 games..IF RGlll could go back to his rookie year BEFORE injuries and have someone like Shanny who understood Robert the sky was the limit! we don't have the coach..we have post injury RGlll …that equals total failure on many levels..I can't see Gruden surviving this mess.. all this after 2 pre season games you say..heck no this is after watching him since his rookie year continue to struggle and in many cases he has gotten worse..look at Tiger Woods..what happened there?? loss of confidence,changing coaches..bad luck etc..its the same thing ..I hope RGlll has a fantastic game at ravens ..but at this point he has to show he can at least be average at the position week after week..I don't think any redskin fans are looking for pro bowl type of play from him..how about just being good enough to separate himself from 2 other so so BACKUPS.. he has not yet played his way into the starting position..all any of us can do is be fans and watch it all unfold..one thing about being a skins fan it aint never boring!!

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[QUOTE=redskinsfan1980;1117757]Can we at least give this a chance to play a regular season game before end his career with the Skins?[/QUOTE]


Thing is this isnt just about a few plays against the Lions, this is about everything we have seen since 2013. Lets not pretend he has not been given an opportunity.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=44Deezel;1117702]And as the article points out, it's fine and dandy that he still completed a pass, but he could have had a first down and instead put the Offense in yet another 3rd and long situation. The primary read was as open as you can ask for in the NFL.[/quote]

Its actually not fine and dandy and the article is wrong for saying that. For example..

If read 1 is your primary after the play action. Although read 1 cuts the route short before play action was initiated.

What this does is allows the DB react to the route I which the throw would of been "late".

This is why when QBS throw INT or give up sacks etc. It's important to know that it's more of a team effort.

Not defending RG3 because he's obviously flawed but the article is incorrect if it's saying it's ok that the route was short.

Edit: Just noticed the article say it's ok because he still completed the pass. Not that the route was short

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

If they would just cut bait with Griffin and hand the keys to the car to Kirk, we would all see we have our franchise QB. Only good thing about playing Griff all year is we will propably have the #1 pick come next April.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=kct1975;1117623]Excellent breakdown!

The points made made in this article, and the points made in a few other article posted, about RG3 not moving around in the pocket enough, all go back to what I, and others have said...

It looks like RG3 has lost his confidence.

Basically, it seems that RG3 "thinks too much" when he takes the snap and drops back.

My opinion, as to why he gets sacked so much is...

1. [B]He focuses too much on the primary target, and the secondary targets,down field[/B].

He doesn't seem to be aware of what is going on around him. Which is one of the reasons that he doesn't seem to move to the left or right to avoid the rush.

2. As the linked article points out, [B]he doesn't seem to have enough faith in the offensive plays to stick with the play as-called, and is too ready to 'check-down'.[/B] Also RG3 seems to have lost faith in his ability to 'thread-the-needle'

So, IMHO, it seems that the problems that RG3 has are mostly confidence related.

Unfortunately, I have seen that kind of thing before, with players like David Woodley, Derrick Carr, ect.[/quote]


I'm not disagreeing about performance, but these two thoughts on the reason for his struggles seems to be contradictory.

He only looks downfield at primary receivers, but he checks down too much?

It seems to me, that would be like saying: He stays in the pocket too long when he should scramble, but gives up on the play and runs too often.

I don't know, maybe it's all of the above at different times, but these seem like symtoms and not diagnosees. Which I think would support your confidence theory.

But, IMO, I think the O-line is the root cause. How can he improve if he is being trounced constantly? I have always felt it was a mistake to invest in QB when our line sucked so much.

So at this point, even if he is hopeless, why move on and risk the next franchise QB being 'ruined' by piss poor pass protection?