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44 70 chip 12-09-2009 06:24 PM

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I think he'll be resigned, with the understanding that he will compete for the job with the Skins first round pick, and maybe even get an incumbent year so the pick can make a more traditional transition to the pro game.

I wonder what Campbells record is when AHEAD by one score with 6 minutes left...

Monkeydad 12-10-2009 01:04 PM

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[quote=mlmdub130;637162]don't know how accurate this is but steinburg just tweeted it about an hour ago

Jason Campbell's history, less than 6 minutes left, tied or down by one score: 44-82, 584 yards, 2 TD, 4 INT, 64.3 rating, 4-12 record.[/quote]

Not sure where he got those numbers, but looking at his stats for behind, tied and ahead...he seems to be far better when the team is trying to come back from a deficit, even better when tied. Of course, this doesn't take any clock considerations in, but...

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7201/situational;_ylt=AnZmjYrM7q6S5xgnaZPtVbv.uLYF?year=career]Jason Campbell - Washington Redskins - Situational Statistics - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

mlmdub130 12-10-2009 01:16 PM

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/12/is_jason_campbell_un-clutch.html?wprss=dcsportsbog]D.C. Sports Bog - Is Jason Campbell Un-clutch?[/url]

heres the whole article, it would be nice to see someone like brady's or farves numbers to know what to compare it to

i know jc probably won't win us any games but he is the best option for our qb this year and next year, hopefully he will have a chance next year behind a line

44 70 chip 12-10-2009 03:16 PM

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I love some of the comments in that blog, if JC was the Vikes QB he would be 10-2... Really? so... Favre makes no impact? Or... JC is as good as Favre? 'Splain that one to me...

Oh and the Tony Romo comment is laughable... I mean no doubt Skins fans aren't going to like him for obvious reasons, and I can hang with "I have an irrational dislike of Tony Romo due to team affiliation and media overexposure" Hell so do I.

But he's a significantly better QB than Jason Campbell is. Yeah I know that's going to bring some hate, hope the haters can back it up with something besides rude smileys LOL

Lotus 12-10-2009 03:34 PM

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[quote=44 70 chip;637730]I love some of the comments in that blog, if JC was the Vikes QB he would be 10-2... Really? so... Favre makes no impact? Or... JC is as good as Favre? 'Splain that one to me...

Oh and the Tony Romo comment is laughable... I mean no doubt Skins fans aren't going to like him for obvious reasons, and I can hang with "I have an irrational dislike of Tony Romo due to team affiliation and media overexposure" Hell so do I.

But he's a significantly better QB than Jason Campbell is. Yeah I know that's going to bring some hate, hope the haters can back it up with something besides rude smileys LOL[/quote]

Turnovers. JC is no match for Tony Turnover in giving gifts to the other team.

44 70 chip 12-10-2009 04:45 PM

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Romo 57 games played 53 Int's or 0.9 per game average
Campbell 48 games 35 Int's or 0.7 per game...

Not a very significant difference (far from "no match")... Want to see a significant difference? Care to guess what Romo's willingness to take a few more chances and suffer 0.2 more INT's per game gets him?
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101 TD's versus 50 TD's... That's more than DOUBLE the touchdowns...

51 more TD's for 18 more Int's...

about 2 TD's per game average versus about 1 TD per game average

A 95.1 QB rating versus an 82.2 QB rating...

This is an UNDRAFTED free agent versus a 1st round draft pick that the skins moved up to take...

Campbell's numbers don't lie indeed! Only the ones that are telling the story aren't the ones his supporters want to concentrate on.

53Fan 12-10-2009 05:02 PM

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You can compare Romo and JC's numbers all day but unless they played with the same team mates, coaches, system and circumstances it really doesn't amount to much.

GTripp0012 12-10-2009 05:15 PM

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[quote=44 70 chip;637780]Romo 57 games played 53 Int's or 0.9 per game average
Campbell 48 games 35 Int's or 0.7 per game...

Not a very significant difference (far from "no match")... Want to see a significant difference? Care to guess what Romo's willingness to take a few more chances and suffer 0.2 more INT's per game gets him?
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101 TD's versus 50 TD's... That's more than DOUBLE the touchdowns...

51 more TD's for 18 more Int's...

about 2 TD's per game average versus about 1 TD per game average

A 95.1 QB rating versus an 82.2 QB rating...

This is an UNDRAFTED free agent versus a 1st round draft pick that the skins moved up to take...

Campbell's numbers don't lie indeed! Only the ones that are telling the story aren't the ones his supporters want to concentrate on.[/quote]Don't change the scale dude. You don't need to in order to suggest that Romo is a statistically stronger passer than Campbell. But don't give interceptions as a rate stat and then raw TDs. That's spinning the evidence for no good reason.

Campbell has a career INT% of 2.3 to 3.1 % for Romo, which is a big difference.

Campbell has a career TD% of 3.3 to 5.9 % for Romo, which is also a big difference.

But the [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CampJa00.htm"]net difference[/URL] in [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RomoTo00.htm"]adjustment to yards per attempt[/URL] for TDs and INTs is all of 0.1 yards for the above difference.

Romo is better only because he throws for more yards more frequently and gets sacked less than Campbell. It has nothing to do with the TD/INT ratio.

SmootSmack 12-10-2009 05:17 PM

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Speaking of Romo...

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4731477]It was Tony Romo's idea to become the Dallas Cowboys' new holder - ESPN Dallas[/url]

mlmdub130 12-10-2009 05:34 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;637799]Speaking of Romo...

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4731477]It was Tony Romo's idea to become the Dallas Cowboys' new holder - ESPN Dallas[/url][/quote]

that takes some balls, can't wait til he screws em again, hopefully it will be here

Lotus 12-10-2009 06:05 PM

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[quote=44 70 chip;637780]Romo 57 games played 53 Int's or 0.9 per game average
Campbell 48 games 35 Int's or 0.7 per game...

Not a very significant difference (far from "no match")... Want to see a significant difference? Care to guess what Romo's willingness to take a few more chances and suffer 0.2 more INT's per game gets him?
spoiler follows:
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101 TD's versus 50 TD's... That's more than DOUBLE the touchdowns...

51 more TD's for 18 more Int's...

about 2 TD's per game average versus about 1 TD per game average

A 95.1 QB rating versus an 82.2 QB rating...

This is an UNDRAFTED free agent versus a 1st round draft pick that the skins moved up to take...

Campbell's numbers don't lie indeed! Only the ones that are telling the story aren't the ones his supporters want to concentrate on.[/quote]

Besides other comments mentioned above, I would add that you failed to mention fumbles.

44 70 chip 12-10-2009 07:33 PM

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[quote=53Fan;637791]You can compare Romo and JC's numbers all day but unless they played with the same team mates, coaches, system and circumstances it really doesn't amount to much.[/quote]

Well nothing in life is judged from a perfectly level playing field, least of all football players. It's not fair... but that's life. Absolutely everyone is judged on how they perform with little to no curve or weighting given to circumstances or surroundings or other factors...

The kicker screwed the pooch and got fired, well... the snap was high, and... NO he got fired... Vinny Cerrato is an awful GM, well he did hit with Davis and Orakpo and Snyder is meddlsome; No fire him! Zorn is a bad HC: well, he's such a nice man, he's taken a lot of BS from his employer and he's learning on the job, and to be fair he had no experience; sorry fire him! Campbell has averaged 1 TD a game career, and only 0.2 less INT's than an undrafted free agent who is averaging 2... Well.... Campbell's a nice guy, and he's had to learn new system, and he's had his feelings hurt when the team looked at other guys... And: No... sorry...

GTripp0012 12-10-2009 07:38 PM

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[quote=44 70 chip;637835]Well nothing in life is judged from a perfectly level playing field, least of all football players. It's not fair... but that's life. Absolutely everyone is judged on how they perform with little to no curve or weighting given to circumstances or surroundings or other factors...

The kicker screwed the pooch and got fired, well... the snap was high, and... NO he got fired... Vinny Cerrato is an awful GM, well he did hit with Davis and Orakpo and Snyder is meddlsome; No fire him! Zorn is a bad HC: well, he's such a nice man, he's taken a lot of BS from his employer and he's learning on the job, and to be fair he had no experience; sorry fire him! Campbell has averaged 1 TD a game career, and only 0.2 less INT's than an undrafted free agent who is averaging 2... Well.... Campbell's a nice guy, and he's had to learn new system, and he's had his feelings hurt when the team looked at other guys... And: No... sorry...[/quote]The bottom line though is he's done a pretty good job. That, in my mind, is indisputable.

But because we're 3-9, he's at least somewhat replaceable. If we can lose with him, we can certainly lose without him. So you've got to at least shop him in the offseason, I would think.

Paintrain 12-10-2009 07:39 PM

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[quote=44 70 chip;637835]Well nothing in life is judged from a perfectly level playing field, least of all football players. It's not fair... but that's life. Absolutely everyone is judged on how they perform with little to no curve or weighting given to circumstances or surroundings or other factors...

[B]The kicker screwed the pooch and got fired, well... the snap was high, and... NO he got fired... Vinny Cerrato is an awful GM, well he did hit with Davis and Orakpo and Snyder is meddlsome; No fire him! Zorn is a bad HC: well, he's such a nice man, he's taken a lot of BS from his employer and he's learning on the job, and to be fair he had no experience; sorry fire him! Campbell has averaged 1 TD a game career, and only 0.2 less INT's than an undrafted free agent who is averaging 2... Well.... Campbell's a nice guy, and he's had to learn new system, and he's had his feelings hurt when the team looked at other guys... And: No... sorry...[/B][/quote] Drinking and posting is never a good look.

44 70 chip 12-10-2009 07:55 PM

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[quote=Lotus;637812]Besides other comments mentioned above, I would add that you failed to mention fumbles.[/quote]

I guess, it's not often used to compare QB's but here goes:
Campbell 28 in 48 games = 0.58 fumbles per game
Romo 35 in 57 = 0.61

Lost:
0.25
0.28

If Romo is a "fumbler" so is Campbell...

44 70 chip 12-10-2009 08:03 PM

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[quote=Paintrain;637837]Drinking and posting is never a good look.[/quote]

Those are examples of situations in life where a guy doesn't get be evaluated on a level playing field with every mitigating factor considered before an (often harsh) judgment is made... IMO This is actually an interesting argument so, really try and bring something better than Smiley's and short generic highly unoriginal pot shots.

GTripp0012 12-10-2009 08:51 PM

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[quote=44 70 chip;637844]Those are examples of situations in life where a guy [B]doesn't get be evaluated on a level playing field with every mitigating factor considered before an (often harsh) judgment is made[/B]... IMO This is actually an interesting argument so, really try and bring something better than Smiley's and short generic highly unoriginal pot shots.[/quote]This is only true of bad organizations.

44 70 chip 12-10-2009 09:09 PM

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[quote=GTripp0012;637852]This is only true of bad organizations.[/quote]

IMO it's true of every facet of life regardless of good or bad... Anyway that's besides the point.

If we can't compare Romo to Campbell then we can';t compare any football player to any other Football player (or team or coach or anything else).

I don't know how we evaluate ANY QB if we have to put them on the exact same team, playing the same schedule etc. How many of you are willing to commit to that philosophy? You can't Judge Zorn against Bill Belicheck can't judge Snyder against Cook... different circumstances, players, etc.

Are some of you guys going to go that far just because you can't stand that Romo is a better QB than Jason Campbell? Don't hate me because I'm being honest, I dislike Romo but I'm not going to lie to myself :)

53Fan 12-10-2009 09:11 PM

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I'm not making excuses or taking up for anyone, if we can get someone better than Campbell... great. I just find a lot of these comparisons pointless. 2 years ago, Romo was playing on a team that had, I think, 13 players who made the Pro Bowl. Campbell? He was in the process of learning yet another system that no one on the team was familiar with except Todd Collins as far as I know. I can go on, but then it sounds like excuses. Is it a surprise that the Cowgirls QB would have better numbers than the QB of the Redskins? It shouldn't be.

DBUCHANON101 12-11-2009 07:04 AM

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Rumors on ESPN have the Rams making a serious run at JC in the offseason. We'll see how it plays out.

30gut 12-11-2009 09:16 AM

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[quote=44 70 chip;637835]Well nothing in life is judged from a perfectly level playing field, least of all football players. It's not fair... but that's life. Absolutely everyone is judged on how they perform with little to no curve or weighting given to circumstances or surroundings or other factors...[/quote]

What you describe above is a great way to make inaccurate value judgements.
If the circumstances aren't consider you cannot make an accurate assessment.
Imo, its this type exact type of thinking that's probably lead to our poor personnel decisions.

For example Cutler is the same QB he was with the Broncos he didn't get worse, but if you made a value judgement based on his stats alone without considering the circumstances you would now be surprised by his supposed lack of production in Chicago.

Paintrain 12-11-2009 10:08 AM

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;637926]Rumors on ESPN have the Rams making a serious run at JC in the offseason. We'll see how it plays out.[/quote]

I think there will be a significant market for Campbell this offseason. If we don't at least tender him at the 1st and 3rd round levels and get at least a 2nd for him we'd be fools.

CRedskinsRule 12-11-2009 10:51 AM

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[quote=Paintrain;637993]I think there will be a significant market for Campbell this offseason. If we don't at least tender him at the 1st and 3rd round levels and get at least a 2nd for him we'd be fools.[/quote]

But we have made it so clear that JC isn't welcome here, that other teams will certainly lowball as much as they can. Campbell has value, but we have not done much to increase or market that value.

Paintrain 12-11-2009 11:07 AM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;638028]But we have made it so clear that JC isn't welcome here, that other teams will certainly lowball as much as they can. Campbell has value, but we have not done much to increase or market that value.[/quote]

Very true. Campbell's agent will drive much of it though. If he strikes a deal with another team while Campbell is tendered the ball really shifts to our court. We really have most of the power in this scenario.

Monkeydad 12-11-2009 01:46 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;637799]Speaking of Romo...

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4731477"]It was Tony Romo's idea to become the Dallas Cowboys' new holder - ESPN Dallas[/URL][/quote]

December collapse confirmed.

MTK 12-11-2009 02:23 PM

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[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12639016/diner-news-should-skins-keep-campbell]Diner News: Should 'Skins keep Campbell? - NFL - CBSSports.com Football[/url]

GTripp0012 12-11-2009 02:33 PM

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[quote=30gut;637970]What you describe above is a great way to make inaccurate value judgements.
If the circumstances aren't consider you cannot make an accurate assessment.
Imo, its this type exact type of thinking that's probably lead to our poor personnel decisions.

For example Cutler is the same QB he was with the Broncos he didn't get worse, but if you made a value judgement based on his stats alone without considering the circumstances you would now be surprised by his supposed lack of production in Chicago.[/quote]That's about as well as I could have said it. The statistics are critical to understanding player value, but they're useless if you can't read them properly.

GTripp0012 12-11-2009 02:40 PM

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[quote=44 70 chip;637856]IMO it's true of every facet of life regardless of good or bad... Anyway that's besides the point.

If we can't compare Romo to Campbell then we can';t compare any football player to any other Football player (or team or coach or anything else).

I don't know how we evaluate ANY QB if we have to put them on the exact same team, playing the same schedule etc. How many of you are willing to commit to that philosophy? You can't Judge Zorn against Bill Belicheck can't judge Snyder against Cook... different circumstances, players, etc.

Are some of you guys going to go that far just because you can't stand that Romo is a better QB than Jason Campbell? Don't hate me because I'm being honest, I dislike Romo but I'm not going to lie to myself :)[/quote]Some comparisons are better than others. Tony Romo is a much better quarterback than Jason Campbell. Romo is also a very flawed player in his own right, but given all of his strengths and weaknesses, he's still the best quarterback in the division. You can look at all the stats to see this, you can look at overall offensive production, etc.

It's also not really a conversation worth having. Campbell has done pretty well for himself here. If Romo were here and Campbell were there, the gap between their numbers would be basically non-existant. Romo would never be an 8.0 YPA passer with the Redskins. Just wouldn't happen. Campbell's improvement to 7.4 this year is pretty remarkable all things considered: clearly, he's squeezing every last drop of potential out of the offense.

And what's the end game? 3-9, underachieving their true potential by about two or three games because in crunch time, our pass defense goes to oblivion and Campbell seems to rush his decision making to avoid sack? That's where we are. We could bring in a rookie quarterback and rebuild while we're paying all that money to the defense to be mediocre, but that's not going to stop the disappointment.

Paintrain 12-11-2009 02:46 PM

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[quote=Mattyk72;638137][url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12639016/diner-news-should-skins-keep-campbell]Diner News: Should 'Skins keep Campbell? - NFL - CBSSports.com Football[/url][/quote]

Whoever was supposed to proofread that article did an awful job. Campbell has 123 plays over 25 yards in the past 4 weeks. He's throwing to new TE Fred [b]JONES[/b]?

That being said, he makes some valid points, especially regarding Campbell & Shanahan. It's going to be an interesting first 3 months of 2010.

BigHairedAristocrat 12-11-2009 03:32 PM

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[quote=Paintrain;638145]Whoever was supposed to proofread that article did an awful job. Campbell has 123 plays over 25 yards in the past 4 weeks. He's throwing to new TE Fred [b]JONES[/b]?

That being said, he makes some valid points, especially regarding Campbell & Shanahan. It's going to be an interesting first 3 months of 2010.[/quote]

Thanks for the link. I agree that Campbell's play (assuming he doesnt revert back to his old self over the last 4 games) merits keeping him around. I also agree that he has more trade value now than he did last year. If Shanahan becomes the next head coach here and doesn't want Campbell, we should be able to get good value for him. I even think its possible we could trade him to Arizona for Leinhart and THEY'D be the ones having to throw something extra in to seal the deal, if for no other reason than Campbell is a known, solid, if not spectacular commodity; whereas Leinhart is still largely a question mark.

SmootSmack 12-11-2009 08:59 PM

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[url=http://www.fantasyguru.com/StaffBlog/2009/12/11/cosells-coaching-tape-week-thirteen-121009-notes/]Cosell’s Coaching Tape: Week Thirteen 12/10/09 Notes - FantasyGuru.com: Staff Blog[/url]

Paintrain 12-11-2009 09:53 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;638276][url=http://www.fantasyguru.com/StaffBlog/2009/12/11/cosells-coaching-tape-week-thirteen-121009-notes/]Cosell’s Coaching Tape: Week Thirteen 12/10/09 Notes - FantasyGuru.com: Staff Blog[/url][/quote]

Hater! No, that was a good read, very interesting analysis of the offense.

Monkeydad 12-14-2009 09:53 AM

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[SIZE=2]UPDATED stats/assessment...Campbell pulling away from other two bust QBs.


Cutler:
WK 14 - 23/36 (63.9%), 209 yds, 2 TD, 2 INT, 74.9 rating, -1 rush yds
TOTAL: 284/457 (62.1%), 3,023 yds, 19 TD, [/SIZE][SIZE=2]22 INT, 75.2 rating, 135 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 14 - [/SIZE][SIZE=2]DNP, messed up knee attempting to run in Week 13, not even allowed to travel with team[/SIZE][SIZE=2]
TOTAL: 158/297 (53.2%), 2,049 yds, 11 TD, 17 INT, 63.7 rating, 97 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 14 - 16/28 (57.1%), 222 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 106.5 rating, 20 rush yds
TOTAL: 260/398 (65.3%), 2,946 yds, 17 TD, 12 INT, 89.0 rating, 179 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campbell (65.3%), Cutler (62.1%), Sanchez (53.2%)
Yds = Cutler (3,023) Campbell (2,946) Sanchez (2,049)
TDs = Cutler (19), Campbell (17), Sanchez (11)
INTs (fewest) = Campbell (12), Sanchez (17), [B]Cutler (22)[/B]
QB rating = [U]Campbell (89.0)[/U], Cutler (75.2), Sanchez (63.7)
Rush yds = Campbell (179), Cutler (135), Sanchez(97)


Week 14 Campbell overview:[/SIZE]

Another impressive and efficient game from Campbell. 2 TDs, no INTs and a 106.5 passer rating. He had the most passing yards of the three QBs, although Sanchez was benched due to a knee, but there is some who think his performance may have helped the head coach make the decision to keep him inactive. The Jets won handily without him. Cutler continues to throw INTs, now a league-leading 22 picks, nearly double of Campbell's total. Not only is Campbell caught up to Cutler in yards and TDs with the very possible and likely scenario that he surpasses Jay in both by season's end, but Chicago has only one more win than the Redskins and are falling further while the Redskins play very well over the last month.

SmootSmack 12-14-2009 09:55 AM

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Too early, way too early, to say Sanchez is a bust

Monkeydad 12-14-2009 10:19 AM

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For the year, he is.

Long-term, as Campbell has proven, rookie QBs need time and patience to develop. Of course I'm not writing him off long term, he shows a little more than Ryan Leaf, but as for the year...if we had him, we'd be lucky to have 1 or 2 wins.

Monkeydad 12-22-2009 01:36 AM

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[SIZE=2]UPDATED stats/assessment...Campbell is seriously lucky to be alive...still managed better stats than the other two.


Cutler:
WK 15 - [B]10/37 (37.0%)[/B], [B]94 yds[/B], 0 TD, [B]3 INT[/B], [SIZE=4][B]7.9 rating[/B][/SIZE], 23 rush yds
TOTAL: 294/484 (60.7%), 3,117 yds, 19 TD, [/SIZE][SIZE=2][B]25 INT[/B], 71.1 rating, 158 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 15 - [/SIZE][SIZE=2]18/32 (56.3%), 226 yds, 1 TD,[B] 3 INT[/B], 49.7 rating, 7 rush yds[/SIZE][SIZE=2]
TOTAL: 176/329 (53.5%), 2,275 yds, 12 TD, [B]20 INT[/B], 62.3 rating, 104 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 15 - 15/28 (53.6%), 192 yds, 1 TD, 2 INT, 57.4 rating, 36 rush yds
TOTAL: 275/426 (64.6%), 3,138 yds, 18 TD, 14 INT, 87.0 rating, 215 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campbell (64.6%), Cutler (60.7%), Sanchez (53.5%)
Yds =[B] Campbell (3,138)[/B], Cutler (3,117), Sanchez (2,049)
TDs = Cutler (19), Campbell (18), Sanchez (12)
INTs (fewest) = Campbell (14), Sanchez (20), [B]Cutler (25)[/B]
QB rating = Campbell (87.0), Cutler (71.1), Sanchez (62.3)
Rush yds = Campbell (215), Cutler (158), Sanchez(104)


Week 15 Campbell overview:[/SIZE]

I have never seen a QB take such a beating from the lack of an offensive line. They HAD been playing well, protecting Jason fairly well over the last month. That ended with a thud tonight. Officially, Jason was sacked 5 times but anyone who watched saw him on his face after nearly every play, being hit before even dropping back many times. He ran out of trouble a few times, once very nice run for the Skins first 1st-down of the game. He was abused and beaten badly, even knocked out of the game at the end of the first half. It looked like he was done for sure, but came back out and played hard despite being hit hard. He showed heart and leadership despite making some mistakes (2 INTs). He was one of the only bright spots in one of the worst massacres I've ever seen. Even the Patriots 52-7 blowout didn't seem THIS ugly...we knew they were doing that to all of their opponents that year. Despite the rough game, Jason's numbers look respectable compared to Sanchez and Cutler, ESPECIALLY CUTLER. His line is one of the worst I've ever seen. Only 10 (37%) completions, under 100 yards, 3 INTs, 0 TDs and a 7.9 passer rating! Sanchez also threw 3 picks.

Tough, tough week for Campbell. Hopefully he will be able to walk and prepare for Dallas in the short practice week. I don't know if Zorn was calling plays again tonight, but it looked nothing like the team that was on a roll lately. Regardless, Jason earned some more respect from me and I bet a lot of other people after his courageous performance in a disaster of a game that was not his fault. I've said before he had no chance behind his O-line, but it was never more true than this MNF game.

Ruhskins 12-22-2009 01:45 AM

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As much as I have been a Campbell supporter, he did some stupid plays...however, he was beaten and bruised a lot during the game.

GTripp0012 12-22-2009 03:56 AM

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[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2009/week-15-quick-reads]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Week 15 Quick Reads[/url]

Worst quarterbacks of the week, ranked by DYAR:

29. Alex Smith
30. Jason Campbell
31. Matt Hasselbeck
32. Mark Sanchez
33. Jay Cutler

I hate to keep harping on last offseason, but this really keeps getting more and more hilarious.

Bozzy 12-22-2009 08:07 AM

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What I don't get is that anytime Campbell sees something he doesnt like he calls timeout instead of calling an audible...

I cant even remember the last time Campbell changed the play at the line...

is he not allowed to?

Chico23231 12-22-2009 09:00 AM

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[quote=SmootSmack;639516]Too early, way too early, to say Sanchez is a bust[/quote]

Exactly, not even close. I take these Sanchez stats as meaningless. Cutler on the other hand is surprisingly aweful, but so is that whole team.


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