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I didn't say we couldn't draft one. I'm saying if you think RGIII or Luck could lead us to a SB just as Manning could. Why go for 3 years when you can go for 10-15?

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Because it normally takes longer for a Young QB to become Elite , also Manning could be a great teacher for a Rookie QB. I just think its a good fit

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;887590]Do you guys think we will know by the time draft day rolls around if he is 100% healthy? Do you think RGIII or Luck could lead us to multiple SB victories in the 10-15 years they would be here? Do you think Manning will sign with someone before the draft?[/quote]

1) No. But we'll have a better idea of his health.
2) Yes.
3) Yes. I think Manning will sign with someone quickly. Hurt or not, he is Peyton Manning after all.

In other words, I would be happy with any of these outcomes:
A) Luck
B) RGIII
C) Manning + Tannehill

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[quote=Lotus;887601]1) No. But we'll have a better idea of his health.
2) Yes.
3) Yes. I think Manning will sign with someone quickly. Hurt or not, he is Peyton Manning after all.

[B]In other words, I would be happy with any of these outcomes:
A) Luck
B) RGIII
C) Manning + Tannehill[/quote]
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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/21/14-of-15-nfl-scouts-prefer-luck-to-griffin-iii/]14 of 15 NFL scouts prefer Luck to Griffin III | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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You mean how Manning taught all the QBs that have backed him up over the years? So you want Tannehill and Manning with Tannehill sitting 3 years? To hell with that. If we don't feel the guy on the board can start day one, I don't draft him. The days of "sitting and learning and grooming" and any other BS label we wanna put on it are coming to an end.

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I feel Luck is safer with a higher floor than RGIII, ceiling wise I go with RGIII, but I would love either. I just think that later down the line RGIII will have the slight edge but I will go on record and say that both will win at least one Super Bowl.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;887604]You mean how Manning taught all the QBs that have backed him up over the years? So you want Tannehill and Manning with Tannehill sitting 3 years? To hell with that. If we don't feel the guy on the board can start day one, I don't draft him. The days of "sitting and learning and grooming" and any other BS label we wanna put on it are coming to an end.[/quote]

Now come on. Aaron Rodgers sat and was groomed behind a terrible teacher as a starting QB. And Rodgers is hardly a relic of a dead past.

Having the greatest QB ever to play the game start while we have a hot shot youngster learning the ropes sounds like a great plan to me. It's not the only possible plan but it is a good one.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;887604]You mean how Manning taught all the QBs that have backed him up over the years? So you want Tannehill and Manning with Tannehill sitting 3 years? To hell with that. If we don't feel the guy on the board can start day one, I don't draft him. The days of "sitting and learning and grooming" and any other BS label we wanna put on it are coming to an end.[/quote]


Well A.Rodgers sat, Matt Flynn (Hot FA QB) sat. I'm JS it could work. Honestly I'd take Manning over any QB if healthy for the next 3 years over anyone but Luck

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;887605]I feel Luck is safer with a higher floor than RGIII, ceiling wise I go with RGIII, but I would love either. I just think that later down the line RGIII will have the slight edge but I will go on record and say that both will win at least one Super Bowl.[/quote]


One is almost certain to turn out just Average, history and numbers for 1st round QBs show that so I'll say only 1 will win a title

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The thing is Matt Flynn is going to get Kevin Kolb money for two games. Aaron Rodgers he sat but it's been said that Favre didn't mentor him. I like Manning always have, if this was 2004-2009, I'd be all for it but with the absolute garbage we have trotted out at qb for the 2 seasons with Shanny, you have to go get your drafted guy. Like Dirtbag pointed out what would we really be giving up trading what essentially maps out to a 1st and a 3rd? The next Brian Orakpo? The next Chris Cooley? I had an employee today tell me he wouldn't trade Orakpo and Cooley for a shot at a potential franchise QB. I almost fired him. I understand that McNabb and Manning are two different situations but the way the last two seasons at QB went you have to stake your reputation on a drafted QB to play now and not some mid-round groomable prospect.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;887608]One is almost certain to turn out just Average, history and numbers for 1st round QBs show that so I'll say only 1 will win a title[/QUOTE]

I could flip a coin twice, chances are one time it will land heads, the other tails. I could land heads both times. Look at the first round of the '04 draft. Rivers, Roethlisberger, Manning. If I told you before hand that 2 of them would have 2 SB titles and they would all be elite you would have laughed and said one of them is "almost certain to be average."

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;887609]The thing is Matt Flynn is going to get Kevin Kolb money for two games. Aaron Rodgers he sat but it's been said that Favre didn't mentor him. I like Manning always have, if this was 2004-2009, I'd be all for it but with the absolute garbage we have trotted out at qb for the 2 seasons with Shanny, you have to go get your drafted guy. Like Dirtbag pointed out what would we really be giving up trading what essentially maps out to a 1st and a 3rd? The next Brian Orakpo? The next Chris Cooley? I had an employee today tell me he wouldn't trade Orakpo and Cooley for a shot at a potential franchise QB. I almost fired him. I understand that McNabb and Manning are two different situations but the way the last two seasons at QB went you have to stake your reputation on a drafted QB to play now and not some mid-round groomable prospect.[/quote]

I wasn't arguing against trading up for RGIII. That's a fine plan. BTW you should have fired that employee for stupidity.

But Manning +Tannehill is a good plan, too.

Let me put it differently: we have so many good options for getting better at the QB position that it will be a major fail if we don't significantly improve.

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I am trying to get more excited about Ryan Tannehill, I really am but I feel Luck and RGIII will be two of the elite QBs of the next generation, I just don't see that with Ryan "Clark Kent" Tannehill.

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If my wife hadn't brought me homemade chicken fajitas for lunch I would have.

That dude doesn't know football apparently

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[quote=skinsfaninok;887595]Because it normally takes longer for a Young QB to become Elite , also Manning could be a great teacher for a Rookie QB. I just think its a good fit[/quote]i'm not opposed to signing him as the qb coach. i can deal with that

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;887612]I am trying to get more excited about Ryan Tannehill, I really am but I feel Luck and RGIII will be two of the elite QBs of the next generation, I just don't see that with Ryan "Clark Kent" Tannehill.[/quote]

Why do you call him "Clark Kent"?

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News on Luck.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/22/luck-still-may-throw-at-scouting-combine/]Luck still may throw at Scouting Combine | ProFootballTalk[/url]

[QUOTE]The Colts possibly don’t want Luck to throw at the Scouting Combine because they don’t want a poor showing to create the perception that Robert Griffin III may be an equal if not better choice. [B]Or maybe Jim Irsay has up his sleeve a plan to keep Peyton Manning and trade Andrew Luck for a maximum slew of picks and/or players[/B].

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I know I know it's PFT but just thought I'd pass it along. I'm still not the type to want to throw away two drafts to get either Luck or RGIII. I had a coworker mention to me yesterday that he heard the Skins were possibly trying to make a trade with NE. Again it's all rumor I have not evidence so I probably shouldn't mention it but am wondering if anyone else heard it. That the Skins were looking to put a package of picks possibly the 2nd round and 3rd round to move up to the NE's late 1st round pick. I presume the idea was to use the 2 first round picks as trade bait to equal out the Browns 2 first round draft picks so we could try and get RGIII.

Again it was a rumor from a coworker. I didn't put much stock in it and he didnt' tell me where he heard it or read it. I'm just asking if anyone else heard the same thing and if anyone knows if there is any merrit in it.

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Another interesting write up.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/21/14-of-15-nfl-scouts-prefer-luck-to-griffin-iii/]14 of 15 NFL scouts prefer Luck to Griffin III | ProFootballTalk[/url]

[QUOTE]Griffin’s size and college system were held against him. Luck is the safer choice, and scouts often play it a little safer than decision makers like general managers and coaches.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]That’s probably the biggest knock against Griffin. He doesn’t fit the prototypical quarterback mold, which makes life a little more uncomfortable for the teams that draft him.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=SBXVII;887657]News on Luck.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/22/luck-still-may-throw-at-scouting-combine/]Luck still may throw at Scouting Combine | ProFootballTalk[/url]



I know I know it's PFT but just thought I'd pass it along. I'm still not the type to want to throw away two drafts to get either Luck or RGIII. I had a coworker mention to me yesterday that he heard the Skins were possibly trying to make a trade with NE. Again it's all rumor I have not evidence so I probably shouldn't mention it but am wondering if anyone else heard it. That the Skins were looking to put a package of picks possibly the 2nd round and 3rd round to move up to the NE's late 1st round pick. I presume the idea was to use the 2 first round picks as trade bait to equal out the Browns 2 first round draft picks so we could try and get RGIII.

Again it was a rumor from a coworker. I didn't put much stock in it and he didnt' tell me where he heard it or read it. I'm just asking if anyone else heard the same thing and if anyone knows if there is any merrit in it.[/quote]

With each passing day I believe it's less and less likely the rumor I had heard about going all in for Luck would actually happen.

A lot of people have been guessing the Redskins might move into the bottom of the 1st for a Tannehill/Weeden and the Patriots make sense as a trade partner. I haven't heard anything concrete.

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[quote=SmootSmack;887659]A lot of people have been guessing the Redskins might move into the bottom of the 1st for a Tannehill/Weeden and the Patriots make sense as a trade partner. I haven't heard anything concrete.[/quote]

I would love this if it actually happens.

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[quote=SmootSmack;887659]With each passing day I believe it's less and less likely the rumor I had heard about going all in for Luck would actually happen.

A lot of people have been guessing the Redskins might move into the bottom of the 1st for a Tannehill/Weeden and the Patriots make sense as a trade partner. I haven't heard anything concrete.[/quote]

I can get excited about that, but it really doesn't seem like the Patriots MO. Who would the Patriots want? Richardson RB, Claiborne CB, something like that?

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What will the Browns do?

[url=http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/cleveland_browns_mike_holmgren_must_stick_with_colt_mccoy/10052455]Cleveland Browns: Mike Holmgren must stick with Colt McCoy[/url]

[QUOTE]The Indianapolis Colts are expected to use their number one pick on Stanford's Andrew Luck unless they decide to shock the civilized world and go for Griffin III, which given the amount of press received by Griffin III lately--is possible.

Picking second and third are the St. Louis Rams and the Minnesota Vikings. The Rams, with quarterback Sam Bradford would seem to have little interest in picking up a quarterback, however the Vikings may be looking for an upgrade over their quarterback--Christian Ponder.
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Funny that the writer is saying what I've been saying for the last 2 1/2 months and I got ridiculed for saying it.

1- Colts could shock everyone and take RGIII.
2- Vikes would be interested in RGIII.
3- Browns would be interested in RGIII.

and to be honest the Rams would be idiots if they didn't look at RGIII to see if he might be better then Bradford. I mean if the Rams are truly in "rebuild" mode then why not start there with your new coaching staff? draft RGIII, keep Bradford, wait until closer to camp or the season and see if you can trade Bradford away for picks and players. If not then you have 2 decent QB's on the roster.

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I don't see why that extra Browns pick is so relevant. The redskins 2nd round pick is only like 15 picks after that 2nd Browns 1st rounder. Plus the Redskins have plenty of picks this year and a full compliment next year to trade up for RG3. They can match any Browns offer in one form or another. Almost every team has the picks it just comes down to how many you are willing to part with.

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[url=http://www.redskins101.com/2012/02/21/an-honest-non-homer-mostly-unbiased-scouting-report-on-robert-griffin-iii/]An Honest, Non-Homer, Mostly Unbiased Scouting Report on Robert Griffin III | Redskins 101[/url]


A good write up on RGIII.

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[quote=SmootSmack;887659]With each passing day I believe it's less and less likely the rumor I had heard about going all in for Luck would actually happen.

A lot of people have been guessing the Redskins might move into the bottom of the 1st for a Tannehill/Weeden and the Patriots make sense as a trade partner. I haven't heard anything concrete.[/quote]

Ok. my understanding was we were trying to move up to get an extra #1 in order to also be able to toss 2 first rounders at the Rams so the Browns wouldn't have a huge leverage over us.

you have also heard that we might trade back to late 1st round possibly with someone like the Patriots? What would we get for trading that far back? their 1st, and 2nd? or more picks?

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[quote=SBXVII;887666]Ok. my understanding was we were trying to move up to get an extra #1 in order to also be able to toss 2 first rounders at the Rams so the Browns wouldn't have a huge leverage over us.

you have also heard that we might trade back to late 1st round possibly with someone like the Patriots? What would we get for trading that far back? their 1st, and 2nd? or more picks?[/quote]

They'd have to give us both of their first round picks and their second I would guess...

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[quote=SBXVII;887662]What will the Browns do?

[url=http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/cleveland_browns_mike_holmgren_must_stick_with_colt_mccoy/10052455]Cleveland Browns: Mike Holmgren must stick with Colt McCoy[/url]



Funny that the writer is saying what I've been saying for the last 2 1/2 months and I got ridiculed for saying it.

1- Colts could shock everyone and take RGIII.
2- Vikes would be interested in RGIII.
3- Browns would be interested in RGIII.

and to be honest the Rams would be idiots if they didn't look at RGIII to see if he might be better then Bradford. I mean if the Rams are truly in "rebuild" mode then why not start there with your new coaching staff? draft RGIII, keep Bradford, wait until closer to camp or the season and see if you can trade Bradford away for picks and players. If not then you have 2 decent QB's on the roster.[/quote]

You're basically just quoting another fan's opinion, I wouldn't call him a writer.

Who is ridiculing you? Just because someone disagrees with you?

Anything could happen, but the Rams probably wouldn't take RGIII unless they deal Bradford first, and the Vikes seem unlikely to go QB considering they have 2 young QBs they are already high on.

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If the Vikings do land RGIII would Redskins fans be interested in modest trade for Ponder?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;887678]If the Vikings do land RGIII would Redskins fans be interested in modest trade for Ponder?[/quote]

Sure why not? I didn't really like him in college and honestly don't ever see him as a franchise QB but serviceable. I still want Manning next year

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[quote=SBXVII;887666]Ok. my understanding was we were trying to move up to get an extra #1 in order to also be able to toss 2 first rounders at the Rams so the Browns wouldn't have a huge leverage over us.

you have also heard that we might trade back to late 1st round possibly with someone like the Patriots? What would we get for trading that far back? their 1st, and 2nd? or more picks?[/quote]

I guess that's possible, but the Browns 1st round picks would be better. No?

I wouldn't say I've heard anything, I've just seen the speculation

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[quote=Alvin Walton;887678]If the Vikings do land RGIII would Redskins fans be interested in modest trade for Ponder?[/quote]

Yes, but not at anywhere near the inflated value they drafted him at. I would consider giving them a #2 pick for him assuming we have not already landed a QB of the future some other way.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;887683]Sure why not? I didn't really like him in college and honestly don't ever see him as a franchise QB but serviceable. I still want Manning next year[/quote]

Yea....in a sense that he would compete for a starting spot vs Tannehill or whoever.....I'm not sold that Ponder is a solution to our problems but I'd rather have him in the stable than Grossman.

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I wouldn't give up a 2nd for Ponder. Third yes. Nothing higher.

Frankly, I hope that both Cleveland and Minnesota are deeply, deeply committed to their young QB's. I doubt it - but I can hope.

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Just heard on 980AM that the Panthers are "on the verge" of simply releasing Jimmy Clausen. Wow.

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[quote=GMScud;887714]Just heard on 980AM that the Panthers are "on the verge" of simply releasing Jimmy Clausen. Wow.[/quote]

I'm not a big fan but picking him up for nothing seems like a no-brainer

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Some QBs just dont develop

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I wouldn't write him off just yet, he's only entering his 3rd year, he's worth a look

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[quote=Mattyk;887715]I'm not a big fan but picking him up for nothing seems like a no-brainer[/quote]

He ended the season 3rd on their depth chart and he's due a $920K roster bonus in a few weeks. So.