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[quote=Chico23231;1233299]They should look to move all the vets for picks[/quote]

If we get rid of Jay tonight, we could call it a firing sale.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1233300]Trade them both, add Norman and Moses while they are it. Fuck TW, he didn’t give a shit about the fans.[/QUOTE]And fuck JLC, who's nothing but TW's mouthpiece

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1233300]Trade them both, add Norman and Moses while they are it. Fuck TW, he didn’t give a shit about the fans.[/quote]

I said last season to trade Kerrigan and Norman for Khalil Mack.

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[quote=Warthog;1232955]Oct 25 is the last day for trading players. BA and Snyder are AGAIN showing their incompetence AND pettiness by not trading TW for much needed draft picks next year. If the Redskins don’t trade TW ASAP, his value will be less next season and he will STILL need to be replaced! Penn is just a bandaid and will be one year older. Scherff will also be gone as he has a gown NO INTEREST in getting a new contract here. Time to make a move - the clock is running.


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The O-line pretty much needs a complete rebuild.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1233310]I said last season to trade Kerrigan and Norman for Khalil Mack.[/quote]

Yeah no one would take that deal

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There should be a fire sale. We're not going anywhere for a few seasons. If Smithers fails to convert some vets into draft picks prior to the trade deadline, then he's a worse GM than I think he is.

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Trade Trent, Kerrigan, and Norman. Get whatever you can


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If this front office had a clue and had just a little forward thinking skills then they would have gotten rid of these players during the off season. They don't have the ability to self scout their own players and know when they're approaching the downsides of their careers. They think they're close. Close to what? Anyone could see that that 6-3 record last year was about as weak as it gets.

The minute Trent said he wasn't showing up then they should have made a move. Don't hold on to players that don't want to play for you.

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[quote=MTK;1233433]Trade Trent, Kerrigan, and Norman. Get whatever you can


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Call Pittsburgh for Keenum interest...and call Carolina for AP interest.

Carolina is gonna get McCaff injuried...they need a viable back up.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1233435]If this front office had a clue and had just a little forward thinking skills then they would have gotten rid of these players during the off season. They don't have the ability to self scout their own players and know when they're approaching the downsides of their careers. They think they're close. Close to what? Anyone could see that that 6-3 record last year was about as weak as it gets.

The minute Trent said he wasn't showing up then they should have made a move. Don't hold on to players that don't want to play for you.[/quote]

Bruce once again has completely botched this as he did the Cousins trade.

Little Shanny in San Fran wanted Cousin and would have given multiple picks including a 1st...

Pats had a 1st round pick for Trent and we botched it.

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[quote=MTK;1233433]Trade Trent, Kerrigan, and Norman. Get whatever you can


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I agree that this would be smart, but Bruce is the stubborn one refusing to trade Trent and he is still very much in power. If anything, firing Jay only increases his power.

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Pretty sure the closer it gets to the trade deadline the further Trent's value drops. Trent has already missed 5 game checks, you can color him gone. Get what you can for him.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1233473]Pretty sure the closer it gets to the trade deadline the further Trent's value drops. Trent has already missed 5 game checks, you can color him gone. Get what you can for him.[/quote]

KC struggled on the OL, I’m sure they wouldn’t mind getting Williams.

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[quote=Chico23231;1233436]Call Pittsburgh for Keenum interest...and call Carolina for AP interest.

Carolina is gonna get McCaff injuried...they need a viable back up.[/quote]

IMO, Rudolph is probably already better than Keenum. Pittsburgh isn't going anywhere this season, and I think they're content with Rudolph and/or Hodges.

Do you think anyone is gonna trade for Peterson? Please! The only way Carolina or anyone will take Peterson is if he's cut.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1233475]KC struggled on the OL, I’m sure they wouldn’t mind getting Williams.[/quote]

Bruce Allen just said he isn't shopping Trent.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1233547]Bruce Allen just said he isn't shopping Trent.[/quote]

Bruce is a fucking idiot, politician who doesn’t answer direct questions. Fuck him!!

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I honestly hope TW sticks it to BA and DS. This shit has to hit rock bottom before we start back up imo. I am on the Meks bandwagon burn it down.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1233549]Bruce is a fucking idiot, politician who doesn’t answer direct questions. Fuck him!![/quote]

Love the question about apologizing to the fans, he went all around that shit

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1233550]I honestly hope TW sticks it to BA and DS. This shit has to hit rock bottom before we start back up imo. I am on the Meks bandwagon burn it down.[/quote]

How so, by losing millions in salary. And what BA says is nothing more than a ploy for a better trade offer.... he is not giving away Trent.

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Trade some of the older players that are not performing up to their contracts. Josh Norman, Ryan Kerrigan, Jordan Reed, Trent Williams, Vernon Davis, and AP etc.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1233550]I honestly hope TW sticks it to BA and DS. This shit has to hit rock bottom before we start back up imo. I am on the Meks bandwagon burn it down.[/quote]

TW could stick it to the DS/BA by:

- Actually saying something.

- Showing up, take their money, and be a malcontent in the locker room.

The only people he is sticking it to are his teammates and the fans by staying away and saying nothing.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1233556]How so, by losing millions in salary. And what BA says is nothing more than a ploy for a better trade offer.... he is not giving away Trent.[/quote]

Better than the 1 they are offered? I will be shocked if that happens. Waiting till January won’t improve his trade value

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1233564]Better than the 1 they are offered? I will be shocked if that happens. Waiting till January won’t improve his trade value[/QUOTE]



The only team “confirmed” to have offered a 1 was the patriots - and their 1 will almost certainly be pick 31 or 32. That’s just not enough.


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For a team that doesn't have a 2nd round pick, is going through a rebuild and the player won't play for them anyway the 31st or 32nd pick is more than enough. Trent is 31 at this point, has missed games in the last few years and we haven't gone anywhere with him. As much as I would hate seeing him go. It is more than enough for him.,

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Exactly. Trent isn't going to be around in 3 years, we need to get what we can now.
This isn't a one year rebuild.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1233567]The only team “confirmed” to have offered a 1 was the patriots - and their 1 will almost certainly be pick 31 or 32. That’s just not enough.


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If we are being offered a 1 at the beginning of the year what would the value be in January after he say a year? Maybe I am naive but I would think the value would go down. Especially in the last year of a contract.

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[quote=Randall Nestor;1233557]Trade some of the older players that are not performing up to their contracts. Josh Norman, Ryan Kerrigan, Jordan Reed, Trent Williams, Vernon Davis, and AP etc.[/quote]

I am sure there will be a long line of teams looking for overpaid and underperforming players.

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I was just reading an article about Snyder and Allen’s handling of the team and it referred to them like this....”The pair’s utter buffoonery”..........LMFAO!!


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[quote=Randall Nestor;1233557]Trade some of the older players that are not performing up to their contracts. Josh Norman, Ryan Kerrigan, Jordan Reed, Trent Williams, Vernon Davis, and AP etc.[/quote]

Only two of those you mentioned have any trade value, Ryan and Trent and that value is sinking by the day.

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Add Paul Richardson to the list of players to let go.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1233616]Only two of those you mentioned have any trade value, Ryan and Trent and that value is sinking by the day.[/QUOTE]



I agree. But it doesn’t matter because BA is still making the GM decisions. He doesn’t believe the team has any problems that a new coach or one or two new players won’t fix.

TW will not be traded. The team will not go through any soul-searching or introspection, regardless of its record this season. Nothing will change except for the substitution of a new name as HC.

A good analogy would be to continually change the band conductor of the TITANIC. The name may change, the tunes may be altered but the result is ALWAYS be the same.


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My prediction is that Trent WILL NOT be traded by the cutoff date this 2019 season. Bruce Allen will continue to prove he is the NFL’s worst GM, by “winning” this disagreement with the team’s star player.

The RedskinsOL will continue to be one if the worst in the NFL and suck for this season, as stop gap players such as Penn and Flowers, and draft failure Morgan Moses show they can neither block well enough to run nor pass protect. Scherff will be held hostage next season (a la Kirk Cousins) and the team will use their number 1 draft pick in 2020 to TRADE DOWN, gaining a few more picks. But the team’s OL needs outstrip it’s draft picks.

TW will never come back to the Redskins, even if he loses this season AND the next . The team will not gain a number one draft pick, that trading him will garner. Losing this high draft pick means his replacement probably won’t come from the draft. Meanwhile, Haskins potential as a possible franchise QB will be stunted because the OL has such a dearth of talent.


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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1233550]I honestly hope TW sticks it to BA and DS. This shit has to hit rock bottom before we start back up imo. I am on the Meks bandwagon burn it down.[/quote]

1-11 last 12 games, how much further is rock bottom?

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The trade deadline is 3 weeks away. I think something will happen this year, probably a trade. I doubt Trent wants to give up about 10 million more this year. Neither the Redskins or Trent gain anything by sitting out the season.

The Redskins could settle for several high picks. And there will be teams willing to offer them.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1233807]The trade deadline is 3 weeks away. I think something will happen this year, probably a trade. I doubt Trent wants to give up about 10 million more this year. Neither the Redskins or Trent gain anything by sitting out the season.

The Redskins could settle for several high picks. And there will be teams willing to offer them.[/quote]

Cleveland would give us a 1 I bet u

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1233807]The trade deadline is 3 weeks away. I think something will happen this year, probably a trade. I doubt Trent wants to give up about 10 million more this year. Neither the Redskins or Trent gain anything by sitting out the season.



The Redskins could settle for several high picks. And there will be teams willing to offer them.[/QUOTE]



BA has just said, three days ago, that he has no intention of trading TW. He has received calls from other teams but has politely turned them ALL down.

Until BA is fired or overridden by Snyder I see no resolution to this impasse. TW will not play, the GM will not even field a trade offer. Perhaps the new HC will convince BA and/or Snyder that they need the high draft pick they will get by trading TW.

I see this impasse going on into next year


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[quote=Warthog;1233820]BA has just said, three days ago, that he has no intention of trading TW. He has received calls from other teams but has politely turned them ALL down.

Until BA is fired or overridden by Snyder I see no resolution to this impasse. TW will not play, the GM will not even field a trade offer. Perhaps the new HC will convince BA and/or Snyder that they need the high draft pick they will get by trading TW.

I see this impasse going on into next year


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I am sure BA is being truthful, not holding out for a better offer.

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[quote=Warthog;1233633][B]My prediction is that Trent WILL NOT be traded by the cutoff date this 2019 season[/B]. Bruce Allen will continue to prove he is the NFL’s worst GM, by “winning” this disagreement with the team’s star player.

The RedskinsOL will continue to be one if the worst in the NFL and suck for this season, as stop gap players such as Penn and Flowers, and draft failure Morgan Moses show they can neither block well enough to run nor pass protect. Scherff will be held hostage next season (a la Kirk Cousins) and the team will use their number 1 draft pick in 2020 to TRADE DOWN, gaining a few more picks. But the team’s OL needs outstrip it’s draft picks.

TW will never come back to the Redskins, even if he loses this season AND the next . The team will not gain a number one draft pick, that trading him will garner. Losing this high draft pick means his replacement probably won’t come from the draft. Meanwhile, Haskins potential as a possible franchise QB will be stunted because the OL has such a dearth of talent.


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BA said that it won't happen this year in his presser earlier in the day. I don't trust him with much but in this topic I think he was telling the truth.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1233795]1-11 last 12 games, how much further is rock bottom?[/quote]

Great question. No season ticket waiting list, no sellouts, no fans showing up to games. It has to be soon right? At least when Irsay did this to Baltimore he intended to move the team to a new city. When the bucs and saints went through it they were expansion teams.

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1233839]BA said that it won't happen this year in his presser earlier in the day. I don't trust him with much but in this topic I think he was telling the truth.[/QUOTE]



I agree. So, instead of getting a 1st rounder to replace TW on the OL, Bruce Allen “shows him” and keeps him in the team, doing nothing. This is why Bruce Allen is, by far, the NFL’s worst GM! Penn, who is TW’s replacement, is wearing down. Then it really starts to get ugly because the backup to Penn is NOT PRIME-Time ready.

Our OL is a disaster and getting worse. TW will never play here again. Scherff will move elsewhere next year unless we franchise tag him (how’d that worked out for Kirk Cousins?).

Trade TW NOW. But will it happen? NOT.






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