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Bobby McCain's cap hit was 1.5M. I hadn't seen that number, but for a starting quality safety, that is simply outstanding.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1284372]Bobby McCain's cap hit was 1.5M. I hadn't seen that number, but for a starting quality safety, that is simply outstanding.[/quote]

Great value!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1284372]Bobby McCain's cap hit was 1.5M. I hadn't seen that number, but for a starting quality safety, that is simply outstanding.[/quote]

Speaking of cap, some additional info from Keim after the new cap for 2022 announcement:

@john_keim
As of now only seven teams with more cap room in 2022 than Washington. Next closest in NFC East is New York and they’re nearly 60 mil less

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[quote=Ruhskins;1284378]Speaking of cap, some additional info from Keim after the new cap for 2022 announcement:

@john_keim
As of now only seven teams with more cap room in 2022 than Washington. Next closest in NFC East is New York and they’re nearly 60 mil less[/quote]

I wonder where he is getting his numbers from, not saying he is wrong but OTC doesn't agree though OTC is a little all over the place because of rookie signings, still $60m would seem to be a little over the top.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1284382]I wonder where he is getting his numbers from, not saying he is wrong but OTC doesn't agree though OTC is a little all over the place because of rookie signings, still $60m would seem to be a little over the top.[/quote]

If you click on the 2022 tab at OTC ([url]https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/[/url]) you will see that we are actually 5th best in the league with $60 mil in cap space. In terms of the NFC East, I think he may have gotten 2021 mixed with 2022, because in 2022, the Iggles have the next best cap situation at $21 mil; the Giants and Cowpukes seem to be in the bottom 5.

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-- Insane Clown Possee ... :laughing2

-- Looks like we're positioned nicely to re-sign young talent while also having cap room to perhaps pay for a big free agent QB if we want to.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1284387]-- Insane Clown Possee ... :laughing2

-- Looks like we're positioned nicely to re-sign young talent while also having cap room to perhaps pay for a big free agent QB if we want to.[/quote]


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[quote=Ruhskins;1284384]If you click on the 2022 tab at OTC ([url]https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/[/url]) you will see that we are actually 5th best in the league with $60 mil in cap space. In terms of the NFC East, I think he may have gotten 2021 mixed with 2022, because in 2022, the Iggles have the next best cap situation at $21 mil; the Giants and Cowpukes seem to be in the bottom 5.[/quote]

We are definitely being smart, but also keep in mind we have no Fitz on books or the pile of guys we signed to 1-year deals. Or Allen. Or Scherff. Or Leno. Or Thomas. Etc. We shouldn't resign Scherff, but his deal alone would be almost a third of our cap space (on annualized basis).

One thing I loved when RR asked about Moses, why cut, he said Moses didn't do anything wrong, was good player, they just wanted to give young guys playing time. SO LONG since we've seen that kind of mentality. You don't pay Kerrigan. You cut Moses. You build primarily through the draft. All the sudden you have lots of good players and cap space. We could have been less aggressive in thinking long term and easily have half the cap space next year.

I think next year is a year we bid adios to the last of the holdovers. I think we'll draft S, LB, CB on D, and then OL,RB, etc.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1284372]Bobby McCain's cap hit was 1.5M. I hadn't seen that number, but for a starting quality safety, that is simply outstanding.[/quote]

Yeah no brainer, great contract.

Is he a starting FS? I think Reeves could challenge to start.

Oline, Safety and WR to an extent will hold the most competition for spots.

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I can't help wondering if tagging Scherff was because they planned to drop Moses if all went to plan. Letting them both go and relying on Roullier to be the veteran anchor on the OL would make me uneasy. If they don't sign Scherff to a long term deal this year, it makes even more sense to me (draft a replacement next spring).

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Apparently Rivera cancelled next weeks voluntary OTAs. Wonder if it was a nod to player solitary, both for all who showed up but also be seen as tip of the hat to the nflpa.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1284410]Wonder if it was a nod to player solitary[/quote]

Only 1 turned up? ;)

I'm more inclined to think it was a reward for a good turnout etc. Not sure I see a reason RR has to wind up the NFLPA.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1284410]Apparently Rivera cancelled next weeks voluntary OTAs. Wonder if it was a nod to player solitary, both for all who showed up [B]but also be seen as tip of the hat to the nflpa[/B].

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Can be... But my first reaction is: he's aware that he had a LOT of players showing up, some teams didn't even have OTA and the NFLPA called for a boycott, so he's grateful for his players' motivation... and he's strengthening the bond between him and the players by just giving up on one week of training in shorts.
He's saying to the guys "you show up, you work hard, I got your back, I'm on your side". And maybe he also doesn't want to create a "booo look at the bad guys who didn't come! You were working hard for 3 weeks and they were chilling at home!" effect.

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I'm still trying to have some sort of evaluation of our free agents, I watched William Jackson III in the week 1 game against the Chargers.

[B]+[/B]
His coverage is really good, physical, not scared, the 4.37 speed shows, good reads, covered Keenan Allen and Mike Williams with great success.

PBU against Allen
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Bottom of your screen, solid coverage on Allen on a dig route
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(Bottom slot) Man vs a Mike Williams' fade
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(Bottom) I like this play, he seems to be in some sort of pattern matching Cover 3, he bites a little too much on the slant before detecting Hunter on the post but recovers really well IMO
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[B]-[/B]
I didn't really see that in the week 11 game against us, but in this Chargers game he looked kinda scared of contact to me. Not to keen to make plays against the run nor go make the tackle on the guy making the catch if he wasn't "his" guy. He injured his shoulder in December 2019 and that's 2020 week 1, so first real live contact since his injury. Not a huge knock, still think it's a really good signing, and having had 11 shoulders dislocations, I know the feeling, but may be something to keep an eye on. I like my corners to be agressive against the run.

This one's funny, top of your screen, good deep coverage.. the underneath guy makes the catch, and look at him dancing and turning around, he clearly sees the guy made the catch but makes one more turn to look at his guy one last time... subconsciously buying time to not have to make the tackle.
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(Bottom) Doesn't look to eager to go make a play on the RB here either, does he?
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(Bottom) Playing it a bit to safe there too IMO
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(Top) Wouldn't you like to see him at least try to prevent the TD here ?
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[quote=AnonEmouse;1284411]Only 1 turned up? ;)

I'm more inclined to think it was a reward for a good turnout etc. Not sure I see a reason RR has to wind up the NFLPA.[/quote]

It was. It is also smart because it gives players rest. A 17 game schedule and normal training camp brutal enough. If guys come in generally in shape and pick up things quick, you're only helping yourself resting them when you take the long view.

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Ok, keep in mind [I][U]I'm a fan of WJ3's signing[/U][/I] (see my previous posts) he is great at coverage, his man press is outstanding and you see him making solid pattern matching in zone.

But there seems to be a [I][U]pattern of not being a fan of frontal contact[/U][/I]. Was willing to give him a pass on week 1, first real live contact after shoulder injury, but week 5 against the Ravens you can still clearly see he wants [I][U]no part of tackling a guy running at him[/U][/I].

He still had a [I][U]really good game[/U][/I], I don't even think he was targeted once, he had [I][U]airtight coverage all game[/U][/I].

Just be ready for a couple of infuriating business decisions every know and then, as he doesn't seem to love taking frontal hits.

Ok, he has outside contain... but does he need to have 2 yards outside the field contain?
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Clear path to the ball carrier, wants no part of it:
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Really, that's your best effort ? Not necessarily asking for a perfect block shed and TFL, but a legit tackle attempt when the runner is past your blocker ?
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This one is comical to me. Just a body language thing. Granted it has no effect on the play, and he would have never been the one making the tackle anyway. But just look at the whole D reading run, WJ3 staring at the ball carrier and still back pedaling while everyone else is converging to the ball. The line is clearly run blocking, his guy is clearly coming at him to block, the QB is 15 yards from the RB and not faking anything and he is still back pedaling. It's ok man, you're safe...
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WJ3 is a damn good press man guy, you can use him in so many ways. Great signing

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1284450]WJ3 is a damn good press man guy, you can use him in so many ways. Great signing[/quote]

Yeah he is impressive in man press. But it also shows in zone cause he has his responsibility but he's actually covering the guys in his zone very well, he's never covering air.

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Still doubting his drive to succeed?

He's always been pretty jacked but he looks like a monster now.


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On the last play (comical one) i would actually praise him for that. Didn't happen on this play, but that is how reverses and flea flickers are prevented from happening. If opponents see tape of him biting on the run they will surely send some reverses, or other tricks to take advantage of it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1284456]On the last play (comical one) i would actually praise him for that. Didn't happen on this play, but that is how reverses and flea flickers are prevented from happening. If opponents see tape of him biting on the run they will surely send some reverses, or other tricks to take advantage of it.

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Nah he still has a run contain responsibility, he can't just bail out on the run because sometimes there are trick plays. Plus the timing on this one is way beyond being cautious in case of trick plays IMO, the QB is clearly out of the play, and nobody is in position to take any kind of reverse.
There's a world between biting too early (and giving reasons to future opponents to call trick plays) and back pedaling several seconds after it has become clear it's a plain run.

Again, great signing, great addition. Just saying he's not gonna make plays against the run and it might create some frustrating situations, like conceding a 3rd and 9 on an outside run. That's something guys like Kyle Fuller or Moreland at very good at.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1284455]Still doubting his drive to succeed?

He's always been pretty jacked but he looks like a monster now.


[/quote]

Come on man, being jacked =/= success in the NFL. Ask Laron Landry how that worked out for him.

If he can't learn technique or he gets injured all those weightlifting sessions aren't gonna help him make the team.

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I don't think anybody has every questioned Tebow's drive or ability to lift heavy weights and put them down.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1284464]Nah he still has a run contain responsibility, he can't just bail out on the run because sometimes there are trick plays. Plus the timing on this one is way beyond being cautious in case of trick plays IMO, the QB is clearly out of the play, and nobody is in position to take any kind of reverse.

There's a world between biting too early (and giving reasons to future opponents to call trick plays) and back pedaling several seconds after it has become clear it's a plain run.



Again, great signing, great addition. Just saying he's not gonna make plays against the run and it might create some frustrating situations, like conceding a 3rd and 9 on an outside run. That's something guys like Kyle Fuller or Moreland at very good at.[/QUOTE] edit. Nevermind

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[quote=mooby;1284465]Come on man, being jacked =/= success in the NFL. Ask Laron Landry how that worked out for him.

If he can't learn technique or he gets injured all those weightlifting sessions aren't gonna help him make the team.[/quote]

How about Robert McCune back in 2005? The man crushes on this guy were out of control. Dude looked like he was chiseled out of granite but he simply couldn't play.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1284464]Nah he still has a run contain responsibility, he can't just bail out on the run because sometimes there are trick plays. Plus the timing on this one is way beyond being cautious in case of trick plays IMO, the QB is clearly out of the play, and nobody is in position to take any kind of reverse.
There's a world between biting too early (and giving reasons to future opponents to call trick plays) and back pedaling several seconds after it has become clear it's a plain run.

Again, great signing, great addition. Just saying he's not gonna make plays against the run and it might create some frustrating situations, like conceding a 3rd and 9 on an outside run. That's something guys like Kyle Fuller or Moreland at very good at.[/quote]

That’s a pretty long reach based off of one play.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1284477]That’s a pretty long reach based off of one play.[/quote]

That's actually 2 full games where he consistently was not going for any kind of frontal contact and consistently looked hesitant when he was in position to make the tackle.
Granted, not a full season, not his full career, can't tell how much of it is coaching, but that's something to keep an eye on, and from what I saw so far that's the only knock on him.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1284467]edit. Nevermind[/quote]

I don't know how my posts come off. I'm a fan of this signing. I'm just saying on 2 games, the only knock I saw was he looked kinda of hesitant to go make a play on the ball carrier.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1284479]I don't know how my posts come off. I'm a fan of this signing. I'm just saying on 2 games, the only knock I saw was he looked kinda of hesitant to go make a play on the ball carrier.[/quote]

Right....but it’s hard to state it as a rock solid fact like you do when you don’t necessarily know who was supposed to be doing what on any given play. Also looking at two games when the guy has played several years may not be an accurate sample size. For all we know he had a bum shoulder or something in those games and they told him to lay off heavy contact. 🤷*♂️ By all accounts we got a really good player, so I wouldn’t sweat it just yet.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1284482]Right....but it’s hard to state it as a rock solid fact like you do when you don’t necessarily know who was supposed to be doing what on any given play. Also looking at two games when the guy has played several years may not be an accurate sample size. For all we know he had a bum shoulder or something in those games and they told him to lay off heavy contact. 🤷*♂️ By all accounts we got a really good player, so I wouldn’t sweat it just yet.[/quote]

Agree with everything you said there. My point was to highlight something to keep an eye on, and be ready that this may be one of his weaknesses. The main point of my posts on him was to say how great a signing this looks to be.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1284483]Agree with everything you said there. My point was to highlight something to keep an eye on, and be ready that this may be one of his weaknesses. The main point of my posts on him where to say how great a signing this looks to be.[/quote]

Definitely something I'll be keeping an eye when the season starts. Hopefully it won't matter if our LB's and safeties can diag quick and move up on running plays.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1284479]I don't know how my posts come off. I'm a fan of this signing. I'm just saying on 2 games, the only knock I saw was he looked kinda of hesitant to go make a play on the ball carrier.[/QUOTE]Your post was fine, my nevermind was because i had written something but when i looked back at the play I was wrong. ( i thought a RB had leaked out the backside of the play for a potential reverse) All is good.

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I would bet plenty of corners shy away from contact at times. They're not the biggest dudes out there and they don't get paid for hitting.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1284487]Your post was fine, my nevermind was because i had written something but when i looked back at the play I was wrong. ( i thought a RB had leaked out the backside of the play for a potential reverse) All is good.

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:food-smil

Looking forward to seeing him play. I just realized I posted more about the one little knock I saw on him than on the main thing that was how good his coverage looks!

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1284492]:food-smil

Looking forward to seeing him play. I just realized I posted more about the one little knock I saw on him than on the main thing that was how good his coverage looks![/quote]

Obviously the scouting report on him isn't big, physical corner who steps up in run defense.

If he can shut down WR's in the pass game that's good enough for me.

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[quote=MTK;1284491]I would bet plenty of corners shy away from contact at times. They're not the biggest dudes out there and they don't get paid for hitting.[/quote]

They also often don't reach contract incentives sitting on sidelines injured from trying to be LBs. A corner has to tackle, he doesn't have to hit. Huge difference.

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[quote=mooby;1284465]Come on man, being jacked =/= success in the NFL. Ask Laron Landry how that worked out for him.

If he can't learn technique or he gets injured all those weightlifting sessions aren't gonna help him make the team.[/quote]

Apples oranges. Takes much more than size, but Tebow is naturally a 220# or so guy in terms of natural body weight. No chance of playing TE in NFL at that size. He did what he had to and bulked up for his new position. Doesn't mean he is second coming of Tony Gonzalez, but is what you expect from high character guy like him. Keep in mind he is also a QB in a pinch, meaning you could keep 2 QBs if you dress him. I would not be surprised at all if he makes roster as #3 or #4 TE with intended use in some gimmick play packages where he throws. I think Meyer is only keeping him if he is truly one of top 53 players.

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And how do we know Tebow won't be a good ST player? Don't think anyone expects him to be #1 TE, but nothing says he can't make the team as depth.

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[quote=Scalper;1284546]Apples oranges. Takes much more than size, but Tebow is naturally a 220# or so guy in terms of natural body weight. No chance of playing TE in NFL at that size. He did what he had to and bulked up for his new position. Doesn't mean he is second coming of Tony Gonzalez, but is what you expect from high character guy like him. Keep in mind he is also a QB in a pinch, meaning you could keep 2 QBs if you dress him. I would not be surprised at all if he makes roster as #3 or #4 TE with intended use in some gimmick play packages where he throws. I think Meyer is only keeping him if he is truly one of top 53 players.[/quote]

Tebow's natural position based on body type is not a traditional TE, but an H-back like Gibbs used frequently.