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Chico23231 08-25-2022 08:50 PM

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[url]https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/25/guilty-trafficking-ashley-biden-diary-00053770[/url]

Two plead guilty to trafficking Ashley Biden's diary, property


Interesting, I had heard this story earlier in the year. So now that they have plead guilty, that concludes that the diary and it’s contents are in fact Ashley Biden’s and are legit?

Will this be covered up like the Hunter Biden laptop too? Which in fact is authentic and never a Russian propaganda?

MTK 08-25-2022 09:18 PM

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[quote=mooby;1320232][url]https://twitter.com/whitehouse/status/1562916200866267138?s=21&t=u52QD6xjlYIzPbexu8pxaQ[/url]

I'm enjoying the White House pointing out how much money in PPP loans conservative politicians had forgiven while those politicians bitch about student loans.[/quote]

lol oh shit WH just owning these morons

savage

Chief X_Phackter 08-25-2022 10:06 PM

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[quote=mooby;1320232][url]https://twitter.com/whitehouse/status/1562916200866267138?s=21&t=u52QD6xjlYIzPbexu8pxaQ[/url]

I'm enjoying the White House pointing out how much money in PPP loans conservative politicians had forgiven while those politicians bitch about student loans.[/quote]

PPP borrowers were eligible for loan forgiveness if they used at least 60 percent of their loan to fund employee wages within 24 weeks of receiving the money.

The government's Pandemic Response Accountability Committee found that [B]97 percent of PPP loans were used to help fund payroll.[/B] The average amount of PPP loan forgiveness was $72,500.

SunnySide 08-26-2022 12:25 PM

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[quote=MTK;1320217]If organized religion wants to keep flexing their influence into politics, let them pay taxes. The Catholic Church is one of the wealthiest organizations in the world and they don't exactly have a very transparent financial track record. And guess what, the Vatican has investments in some of the biggest companies in the world. Let's not pretend their hands are clean.[/quote]

503(c) organizations whether its a church, temple, mosque etc overwhelming provide services for the needy.

Theres been exactly one religious organization that had its designation pulled and thats bc it paid for ads saying dont vote for Bill Clinton because hes the devil.

Seems theres a lot of politics from the pulpit (both sides) but that doesnt bother me. Evangelicals want to flock to a preacher touting Invermectin and to not get the vaccine and that liberals are the devil and indoctrinating the youth with perversion blah blah blah .. go ahead. Fill that pew with like minded people .. do your thing.

If far right intellectuals want to gather and circle jerk to trump ... go for it. spend those Sundays complaining about liberals being whiny and snow flakes.

SunnySide 08-26-2022 12:36 PM

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1320240]PPP borrowers were eligible for loan forgiveness if they used at least 60 percent of their loan to fund employee wages within 24 weeks of receiving the money.

The government's Pandemic Response Accountability Committee found that [B]97 percent of PPP loans were used to help fund payroll.[/B] The average amount of PPP loan forgiveness was $72,500.[/quote]

The authors, including Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor David Autor and economists from the Federal Reserve, found that PPP saved 1.98 million and 3 million years of employment over 14 months. The study was conducted using data from payroll software provider ADP and the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The economists estimated that $115 billion to $175 billion in PPP loans went toward paychecks, meaning that only 23% to 34% of PPP funds went directly to workers who would otherwise have lost jobs.

Where did the rest go? The remaining 66% to 77% went to business owners and stakeholders, including shareholders, creditors, and suppliers.

The picture gets more stark when the authors traced how PPP dollars flowed to households. The study estimated that $365.9 billion, or 72%, of the PPP dollars ultimately flowed to the top-fifth of high-earners, who make up a disproportionate amount of the country's income and business owners. The bottom quintile got $13.2 billion, or 2.6% of the $510 billion.

The authors also noted that PPP's per dollar boost to GDP was 0.36, according to the Congressional Budget Office, versus 0.60 and 0.67 for stimulus checks and enhanced unemployment insurance checks.

[url]https://www.businessinsider.com/majority-ppp-loans-went-to-business-owners-high-earning-households-2022-1[/url]

I can say from first hand ... businesses with strong existing bank relations got moved up as priority. A certain bank takes my boss golfing and dinners etc ... guess who got priority treatment?

Guess who got PPP money for payroll that we were going to pay anyway?

There was a small cafe in our office building, owner didnt know what to do, no real bank connections.

Guess who didnt get a PPP?

Guess who went out of business?

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IMO the PPP isnt a R vs D issue. It was a rushed band aid during a sudden unprecedented time in this Country. Whether it was an R or D in the White House, I think the result would be the same.

Now ... im sure fox news et al would be screaming that it was a huge failure, giving money to the elite and big business at the expense of farmers and hard workers, how Biden's businesses and families recd large loans and how Biden's press secretary's family recd 2 million.

But it was an R ... so the right isnt beating that drum.

Chico23231 08-26-2022 01:54 PM

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A little puzzled by the WH focus on Paycheck Protection Program as an analog to student loan forgiveness since the former was actually implemented through *legislation in Congress*.

Giantone 08-26-2022 02:10 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1320272[B]]A little puzzled [/B].[/quote]

LOL, ....................no shit?

SunnySide 08-26-2022 02:28 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1320272]A little puzzled by the WH focus on Paycheck Protection Program as an analog to student loan forgiveness since the former was actually implemented through *legislation in Congress*.[/quote]

Would be great if presidents and their parties didnt pass public policy through executive orders or reconciliation or through the political SCOTUS.

both sides

if you cant get 60 senators to say "yes", maybe negotiate/work together? but in reality votes now are party line votes.

This country is fucked.

Chico23231 08-26-2022 08:17 PM

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[url]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/zuckerberg-rogan-fbi-warning-prompted-124008993.html[/url]

Zuckerberg tells Rogan FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship


There is the FBI affecting the outcome of the election

Giantone 08-26-2022 08:41 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1320286][url]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/zuckerberg-rogan-fbi-warning-prompted-124008993.html[/url]

Zuckerberg tells Rogan FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship


There is the FBI affecting the outcome of the election[/quote]

LOL, JHC. YAFF!

Giantone 08-27-2022 06:04 AM

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[quote=Chico23231;1320272]A little puzzled by the WH focus on Paycheck Protection Program as an analog to student loan forgiveness since the former was actually implemented through *legislation in Congress*.[/quote]


Bernie Sanders
@SenSanders
I hear Republicans complaining about $20,000 in student debt forgiveness. Funny, I didn't hear those complaints when Trump declared bankruptcy 6 times & had $287 million in loans forgiven by big banks. The GOP l-o-v-e-s socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the rest.

nonniey 08-27-2022 09:40 AM

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[quote=Chico23231;1320238][url]https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/25/guilty-trafficking-ashley-biden-diary-00053770[/url]

Two plead guilty to trafficking Ashley Biden's diary, property


Interesting, I had heard this story earlier in the year. So now that they have plead guilty, that concludes that the diary and it’s contents are in fact Ashley Biden’s and are legit?

Will this be covered up like the Hunter Biden laptop too? Which in fact is authentic and never a Russian propaganda?[/quote]

I gotta admit wasn't paying attention to what was in the diary or even any part of the case for that matter. What was in the diary that caught the talking heads attention?

Chico23231 08-27-2022 09:52 AM

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[quote=Giantone;1320290]Bernie Sanders
@SenSanders
I hear Republicans complaining about $20,000 in student debt forgiveness. Funny, I didn't hear those complaints when Trump declared bankruptcy 6 times & had $287 million in loans forgiven by big banks. The GOP l-o-v-e-s socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the rest.[/quote]

It’s not forgiveness…the money will be paid back by the middle/working class most likely in taxes hikes.

As someone who saw tax returns when underwriting years ago…this will certainly benefit folks earning up in the 4 maybe 3 percent of top income. Those folks know how to not show income for the tax man.

nonniey 08-27-2022 09:53 AM

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[quote=Giantone;1320290]Bernie Sanders
@SenSanders
I hear Republicans complaining about $20,000 in student debt forgiveness. ....[/quote]

And Dems too. Problem is student loan forgiveness is the same type of action that caused education to get so expensive (Government money/loan guarantees flooding the system). It helps graduates with current loans but will accelerate costs for education, thus screwing current and future students.

[url]https://www.newsweek.com/jason-furman-obama-economist-criticizes-joe-biden-student-loan-forgiveness-plan-1736671[/url]

Chico23231 08-27-2022 10:00 AM

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[quote=nonniey;1320294]I gotta admit wasn't paying attention to what was in the diary or even any part of the case for that matter. What was in the diary that caught the talking heads attention?[/quote]

Well it was found in a halfway house left behind when she was in recovery. Within the diary deals with her drug abuse and her sex addiction…but the supposed passages about taking showers when she was 13 with her dad and how that affected her.

Now, the NYT has said to have authenticated the dairy and now someone has been prosecuted which confirms the validity.

But if Joe Biden did shower with his 13 daughter which lead to her trauma…you think that’s a story worth reporting? It most likely will be covered up with the help the of the media…just like Hunter laptop…just like the sexual assault allegations against Biden during the campaign.

Would you expect the same treatment if this was the Trump family? Of course not because the media purposely corrupt as well as other institutions.

MTK 08-27-2022 01:14 PM

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Why are we ok with bailing out businesses but bailing out the everyday person is frowned upon? Let’s stop with the mental gymnastics of trying to differentiate between PPP loans and student loans and why one is on and one isn’t. Everyone can benefit by catching a break now and then. If someone got $200k in free government money to keep their business afloat but is mad at someone getting $20k in student loan relief, that’s just the epitome of selfishness and being an overall shitty person. I know people that benefited from the PPP, and I know plenty that will benefit from the student loan forgiveness, including myself.

sdskinsfan2001 08-27-2022 01:32 PM

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[quote=MTK;1320307]Why are we ok with bailing out businesses but bailing out the everyday person is frowned upon? Let’s stop with the mental gymnastics of trying to differentiate between PPP loans and student loans and why one is on and one isn’t. Everyone can benefit by catching a break now and then. If someone got $200k in free government money to keep their business afloat but is mad at someone getting $20k in student loan relief, that’s just the epitome of selfishness and being an overall shitty person. I know people that benefited from the PPP, and I know plenty that will benefit from the student loan forgiveness, including myself.[/quote]

For one, COVID was a worldwide pandemic that was involuntary. I think lots of people supported a program that in theory helped the businesses that actually needed it the most, not the disaster that our government rolled out in this shitty PPP program, that let all these rich people take advantage. Once again, another thing that our government fucks up, but I should just be happy and keep sending in my money.

No one forced anyone to go to college and incur those debts. Don't want student loans, don't go to college, or go to a school you can actually afford. Or if you need loans because you want to go to college and its too expensive, pay back your own loan(s). It's not my or anyone else's responsibility to do so. I have my own financial burdens as a middle class fuck trying to get by.

There seems to be this argument that everyone against this student loan debt vote buying plan is also 100% for businesses taking advantage of other programs.

I'm not for either of them. Just another 300 to 500 billion dollars, ehhh, no big deal.

This country lives in fantasy land about money, deficits, and debt.

Chief X_Phackter 08-27-2022 01:36 PM

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I'm not opposed to people getting help. Most of us need it from time to time. I would just like to see "them" address the underlying issues that got us here in the first place. I don't see that happening. What I see is more handouts right before an election.

Anyway, can I get a retro payment of $10k since I paid mine off already? Or am I ineligible because I made the necessary sacrifices to ensure I paid my bills on time, paying them off, and honoring my end of the contract?

nonniey 08-27-2022 01:36 PM

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[quote=MTK;1320307]Why are we ok with bailing out businesses but bailing out the everyday person is frowned upon? Let’s stop with the mental gymnastics of trying to differentiate between PPP loans and student loans and why one is on and one isn’t. Everyone can benefit by catching a break now and then. If someone got $200k in free government money to keep their business afloat but is mad at someone getting $20k in student loan relief, that’s just the epitome of selfishness and being an overall shitty person. I know people that benefited from the PPP, and I know plenty that will benefit from the student loan forgiveness, including myself.[/quote]

Because some bailouts help and some don't. Student loan bailouts are actually a continuation of the proximate cause of education debt - easy access to government money driving up the cost of college. It helps those with current loans but hurts even more those that will be paying for college in the future.

sdskinsfan2001 08-27-2022 01:38 PM

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1320310]I'm not opposed to people getting help. Most of us need it from time to time. I would just like to see "them" address the underlying issues that got us here in the first place. I don't see that happening. What I see is more handouts right before an election.

Anyway, can I get a retro payment of $10k since I paid mine off already? Or am I ineligible because I made the necessary sacrifices to ensure I paid my bills on time, paying them off, and honoring my end of the contract?[/quote]

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Chief X_Phackter 08-27-2022 01:42 PM

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1320312][IMG]https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSqLfY0DidyJgCI7tjYdJ73exv35VgMouzo3w&usqp=CAU[/IMG][/quote]

I know, I know. I'm trying to fall in line...

punch it in 08-27-2022 03:31 PM

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[QUOTE=MTK;1320307]Why are we ok with bailing out businesses but bailing out the everyday person is frowned upon? Let’s stop with the mental gymnastics of trying to differentiate between PPP loans and student loans and why one is on and one isn’t. Everyone can benefit by catching a break now and then. If someone got $200k in free government money to keep their business afloat but is mad at someone getting $20k in student loan relief, that’s just the epitome of selfishness and being an overall shitty person. I know people that benefited from the PPP, and I know plenty that will benefit from the student loan forgiveness, including myself.[/QUOTE]


Good for you Matty! That’s awesome. I agree - it’s nice to see someone who deserves help getting it.

When I say someone who deserves it I mean someone like yourself, a productive member of society who isn’t uber rich - dont wanna see someone who wont help themselves get help - dont wanna see someone who doesn’t need the help get help. Im happy for you.

The big picture that needs to be addressed - like Chief alluded to - is getting a cap put on how much these universities can fucking charge.

MTK 08-27-2022 03:51 PM

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1320310]I'm not opposed to people getting help. Most of us need it from time to time. I would just like to see "them" address the underlying issues that got us here in the first place. I don't see that happening. What I see is more handouts right before an election.

Anyway, can I get a retro payment of $10k since I paid mine off already? Or am I ineligible because I made the necessary sacrifices to ensure I paid my bills on time, paying them off, and honoring my end of the contract?[/quote]

I definitely agree this doesn’t get to the underlying issues, but even if it’s a band aid it will help somebody.

As for your situation I say that’s great you were able to pay them off and don’t need any help. I say that with all sincerity. I’ve been paying on mine since 2006 and have barely put a dent in the principal because I’m on an income sensitive plan. It’s depressing as hell to see what little I’ve paid off. I’m lucky since it’s my only real debt. Plenty of people are way more buried than I am.

Chico23231 08-27-2022 05:09 PM

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The entire education system is in crisis. We need to completely revamp it

sdskinsfan2001 08-27-2022 05:19 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1320318]The entire education system is in crisis. We need to completely revamp it[/quote]

Lol. Will never happen. Just like every other government program/decision/etc., a bunch of fat cats will all get their cut too. Nothing will change. Then we will need a new bailout in x number of years.

Government creates the problems then does nothing to actually fix them, while spending billions of dollars, and we are told it must be done.

Rinse and repeat. Our federal government is a laughable joke. I agree with Sunny, that we are fucked. But likely for different reasons.

Giantone 08-27-2022 05:48 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1320318]The entire education system is in crisis. We need to completely revamp it[/quote]

Stop the BS. Your trump speak is BS. You know nothing about the educational system. chico you bitch about goverment and hand outs and big goverment yet now you call to scrap the entire educational system ........something you know nothing of and want the "GOVERMENT" to create something new, WTF?


The biggest problem with education is parents . Let the Teachers and BoEds do their jobs, every child is special...................yours is not the only one.!


Federal Government needs to stay out of it .

sdskinsfan2001 08-27-2022 05:52 PM

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[quote=Giantone;1320324]Stop the BS. Your trump speak is BS. You know nothing about the educational system. chico you bitch about goverment and hand outs and big goverment yet now you call to scrap the entire educational system ........something you know nothing of and want the "GOVERMENT" to create something new, WTF?[/quote]

G1 lives in a world where everything started in 2016.

Just because you're obsessed with Trump doesn't mean everyone else needs to be.

The problems with college prices started WAY before Trump was ever president.

1 trick pony.

Giantone 08-27-2022 05:55 PM

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1320325]G1 lives in a world where everything started in 2016.

Just because you're obsessed with Trump doesn't mean everyone else needs to be.

The problems with college prices started WAY before Trump was ever president.

1 trick pony.[/quote]



I live in the real world , you should try it, you might realize what it takes to be a grown up.

Giantone 08-27-2022 05:59 PM

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1320320] [B]Our federal government is a laughable joke[/B]. .[/quote]



I have been pointing that out , funny you didn't think so when trump was in ?

sdskinsfan2001 08-27-2022 06:03 PM

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[quote=Giantone;1320326]I live in the real world , you should try it, you might realize what it takes to be a grown up.[/quote]

So the costs of going to college was completely reasonable until 2016?

No one else on either side is arguing that.

You're a clown.

And I lived in the real world, my parents and myself paid 100% of my college education all the way thru grad school.

sdskinsfan2001 08-27-2022 06:06 PM

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[quote=Giantone;1320327]I have been pointing that out , funny you didn't think so when trump was in ?[/quote]

Yes, I thought the Trump government was so great, that I didn't vote to re-elect him.

You just say things with no proof to back up the claim.

Giantone 08-27-2022 06:09 PM

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1320330]Yes, I thought the Trump government was so great, that I didn't vote to re-elect him.

You just say things with no proof to back up the claim.[/quote]

LOL, horse shit. Just go through all your old post's proof enough for even Ray Charles to see.

sdskinsfan2001 08-27-2022 06:10 PM

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[quote=Giantone;1320333]LOL, horse shit. Just go through all your old post's proof enough for even Ray Charles to see.[/quote]

So no actual proof. Got it.

Giantone 08-27-2022 06:26 PM

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1320334]So no actual proof. Got it.[/quote]

lol , denial isn't just a river in Egypt. Try again?

sdskinsfan2001 08-27-2022 06:37 PM

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[quote=Giantone;1320335]lol , denial isn't just a river in Egypt. Try again?[/quote]

I'm running away (FSU game started). But yet again, you win, you're too smart for me.

Giantone 08-27-2022 06:40 PM

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1320336]I'm running away (FSU game started). But yet again, you win, you're too smart for me.[/quote]

Always have been.

sdskinsfan2001 08-27-2022 06:43 PM

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[quote=Giantone;1320337]Always have been.[/quote]

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SunnySide 08-29-2022 12:19 PM

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The pleas mark the first time criminal charges have been filed in the theft of Ms. Biden’s diary, which she kept while she recovered from addiction and which contained intimate information about her and her family.

“I know what I did was wrong and awful, and I apologize,” Mr. Kurlander said in court.

“I sincerely apologize for any actions and know what I did was illegal,” Ms. Harris said.

Mr. Kurlander and Ms. Harris, who surrendered to the authorities early Thursday, were released from custody after the hearing. Both are scheduled to be sentenced in December.

Ms. Biden had left the diary at a friend’s home where she had been staying in Delray Beach, Fla., in 2020 and planned to return to retrieve it that year, according to interviews and court documents.

After Ms. Biden left, her friend allowed Ms. Harris, who was in a bitter custody dispute and struggling financially, to stay at the home. Ms. Harris learned that Ms. Biden had been living there and found her belongings, including the diary, in August.

She told Mr. Kurlander, who texted her that they could make a lot of money from the diary and family photos she had also found among Ms. Biden’s belongings. Mr. Kurlander, The New York Times has reported, then informed a Trump supporter and fund-raiser, Elizabeth Fago.

Ms. Harris and Mr. Kurlander took the diary to a Trump fund-raiser at Ms. Fago’s home, where it was passed around, The Times reported last year, an event also documented in the court filing on Thursday. Before the event, the court papers said, Mr. Kurlander texted Ms. Harris: “On Sunday you may have a chance to make so much money.” Prosecutors said by that time she had stolen additional items belonging to Ms. Biden.

“Omg. Coming with stuff that neither one of us have seen or spoken about,” Ms. Harris texted Mr. Kurlander. “I can’t wait to show you what Mama has to bring Papa.”

Prosecutors said the pair had hoped to sell the items to the Trump campaign. But a representative of the campaign who was not identified in the court papers told the pair that they were not interested in buying the property and that they should take it to the F.B.I. Instead, The Times has reported, Ms. Fago ultimately helped direct Ms. Harris and Mr. Kurlander to Project Veritas.

In September, Ms. Harris and Mr. Kurlander traveled to Manhattan to show Project Veritas the diary, telling two operatives for the group that they had found it and other items at the Delray Beach home where Ms. Biden had been staying with a friend. Project Veritas paid for the pair to go to New York and stay at a luxury hotel, prosecutors said.

Prosecutors said that a Project Veritas operative wanted more of Ms. Biden’s property to try to authenticate the diary and would pay more for those additional items. Mr. Kurlander realized there was an opportunity to make more money from Project Veritas.

Mr. Kurlander texted Ms. Harris, the court filing said, that they had “to tread even more carefully and that stuff needs to be gone through by us and if anything worthwhile it needs to be turned over and MUST be out of that house.”

Ultimately, Project Veritas paid them $40,000.

Prosecutors did not name the Project Veritas employees who met with Ms. Harris and Mr. Kurlander in New York, but last year the F.B.I. searched the home of Spencer Meads, a confidant of Mr. O’Keefe. The Times has previously reported that Mr. Meads was sent to Florida to authenticate the diary.

Prosecutors said that one of the Project Veritas employees traveled to Florida on the same day that Ms. Harris and Mr. Kurlander stole the additional items. All three of them met, and Mr. Kurlander and Ms. Harris gave the Project Veritas operative the items. Mr. Kurlander also met with the operative the next day and provided an additional bag, prosecutors said.

Project Veritas, which uses deceptive tactics to ensnare targets, undertook a wide-ranging effort to authenticate the diary. As part of that effort, an operative tried to trick Ms. Biden during a phone call into confirming that the diary was hers.

Project Veritas later contacted Ms. Biden’s lawyers about the diary in an attempt to secure an interview with her father before the election. Ms. Biden’s lawyers told the group that the idea that she had abandoned the diary was “ludicrous” and accused the group of an “extortionate effort to secure an interview,” according to emails obtained by The Times. Ms. Biden’s lawyers then contacted federal prosecutors in Manhattan.

In the midst of this exchange, a conservative website, National File, published excerpts from the diary on Oct. 24, 2020, and its full contents two days later. The disclosure drew little attention.

National File said it had obtained the diary from someone at another organization that was unwilling to publish it in the campaign’s final days. Mr. O’Keefe was said to be furious that the diary ended up in the hands of National File.

In early November 2020 — days after the election — Project Veritas arranged for Ms. Biden’s items to be taken to the Delray Beach Police Department, where a lawyer was captured on video saying the belongings might have been stolen. The police then contacted the F.B.I.

[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/25/us/politics/ashley-biden-diary-project-veritas-guilty.html[/url]

nonniey 08-29-2022 03:09 PM

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[quote=SunnySide;1320444].....

In early November 2020 — days after the election — Project Veritas arranged for Ms. Biden’s items to be taken to the Delray Beach Police Department, where a lawyer was captured on video saying the belongings might have been stolen. The police then contacted the F.B.I.

[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/25/us/politics/ashley-biden-diary-project-veritas-guilty.html[/url][/quote]

Sounds like some project veritas journalists need to be and likely will be indicted.

Chico23231 08-29-2022 03:40 PM

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Thank god it wasn’t the Ivanka stolen diary or Eric trump’s laptop…we know for sure the overwhelming corrupt and dishonest media would have never published any of it because they got standards and never have published illegally obtained sourced info.

Imagine being such a retard to believe that


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