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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1204297]Not having Facebook is great. Quit about 6 or 7 years ago now.[/quote]
2 years for me .

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I don't know who is sending bombs but to even suggest it has to do with liberals losing elections or in anyway is wrong.History has proven that there has always been extremist in all political parties.If someone is crazy enough to do this ,they would have done it anyway for whatever cause they climbed on to.
I agree that Social media has propelled this to a level we have never seen before or can even understand. This time in America reminds me very much of the Vietnam war era late 60's early 70's and the protest's going on then and I find myself thinking thank God the internet wasn't around back then. Riots everywhere in the country Newark,Asbury Park,Washington,LA ,Chicago, burning down colleges and shooting college students protesting...........people thought there was going to be a civil war then too.
Yes chico ..I despise donald trump .He is the single most arrogant,ignorant and crooked man you will ever see as president . My knowledge of him goes back and to people I personally know/knew who have had dealings with him from the 70's and 80's in New Jersey...this is beyond politics with me.
Politicians are a strange breed and there is good and bad. I though Jimmy Carter was a great person but a shitty President ,Reagan was a back door wheeler and dealer and a nice man and person but now looking back maybe not the best President ever,Nixon a slime ball politician but turns out not a bad President. While I admit some political rhetoric has gotten worse as of late there is only one that told his supporter to "punch" people and that he would pay for their legal expense's.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1204284]What is sad is that i doubt anybody thinks this is an external threat. I don't know how life was in the period leading up to the civil war but somehow i think the distrust in fellow americans is as high as it must have been in that period.[/quote]

You know when I first read about the bombs I was hoping that it was an external threat even if it would have sent Chico into a tirade of posts addressing lax terrorist policies.

On a side note, I heard this morning that the bombs were missing a key component to make them detonate. Officials were not saying however whether it appears intentional or accidental.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1204304][B]You know when I first read about the bombs I was hoping that it was an external threat even if it would have sent Chico into a tirade of posts addressing lax terrorist policies[/B].

On a side note, I heard this morning that the bombs were missing a key component to make them detonate. Officials were not saying however whether it appears intentional or accidental.[/quote]

Its not really the lax policies at this point, its the fact since Obama has left office we finally executed a strategy to eliminate the safe haven ISIS and other terrorist groups had operated from...

The Obama administration previous foreign policy strategy with handling the Arab Spring and other Middle Eastern geo-political matters was a proven failure.



...anytime Chico is given an opportunity "to tirade" about Terrorism...external (nice word) or Islamic(bad word) in this case...well, we know that train is never late.



Oh sidenote...you know Cory Booker was high fiving and fist pumping this morning. K Harris is so jelly too right now....

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[quote=Chico23231;1204311]Its not really the lax policies at this point, its the fact since Obama has left office we finally executed a strategy to eliminate the safe haven ISIS and other terrorist groups had operated from...

The Obama administration previous foreign policy strategy with handling the Arab Spring and other Middle Eastern geo-political matters was a proven failure.



...anytime Chico is given an opportunity "to tirade" about Terrorism...external (nice word) or Islamic(bad word) in this case...well, we know that train is never late.



Oh sidenote...you know Cory Booker was high fiving and fist pumping this morning. K Harris is so jelly too right now....[/quote]



.........and here comes the Obama deflection..again!What's the strategy,trumps policy Chico ....exactly what is it?

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[quote=Giantone;1204315].........and here comes the Obama deflection..again!What's the strategy,trumps policy Chico ....exactly what is it?[/quote]

G1, I don't want to talk about it again, but Trump committed US troops, operation support, armed kurds, brought in the Turks, worked with Europe...he said enough was enough.


Bigger news...Im hearing we found the bomb sender. Trump got'em quick!

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[quote=Giantone;1204315].........and here comes the Obama deflection..again!What's the strategy,trumps policy Chico ....exactly what is it?[/quote]

It's funny that your claim of Obama deflection is in itself a deflection.

Trump's policy has been to let the commanders in the field take out targets and make the calls in the field. It effectively turned the ISIS tide in northern Iraq, and, even in cooperation with Russia/Syria, diminished their lands in Syria as well.

It also has been [LIST][*]to not degrade intelligence assets by working to close bases like Guantanemo Bay, [*]or tie the military's hands, and making Iran focus more on their internal politics rather than supporting factions like ISIS[*] by promoting Israeli interests, [*]as well as keeping Saudi's government strong.[/LIST]

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Arrest made. Press conference at 2:30. 56 year old man from affluent county in Dade County.

I saw a picture of the van they impounded. It windows were covered with stickers. From what I can tell of the stickers, all the "false flag" folks are going to have to come up with a new and better conspiracy. The only one I could clearly make out was a big old Republican party emblem and a bunch of US flags.

It's in the story here:

[url]https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/more-suspicious-packages-today-cory-booker-james-clapper-bomb-packages-nyc-live-updates-2018-10-26/[/url]

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Reports say that the man, who is as of now unidentified, has a criminal background and ties to New York.

[url]https://www.vibe.com/2018/10/maga-bomber-arrest-made/[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1204318]G1, I don't want to talk about it again, but Trump committed US troops, operation support, armed kurds, brought in the Turks, worked with Europe...he said enough was enough.


Bigger news...Im hearing we found the bomb sender. Trump got'em quick![/quote]


CNN Newsroom
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@CNNnewsroom
"We know a little bit more about this man who has now been taken into custody in connection with these mail bombs," reports CNN's @evanperez: "He's in his 50s, and he does have some New York ties. He has some criminal history."

Follow for live updates: [url]http://cnn.it/2D7anOC[/url]

That was quick - good job FBI et all

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Anyone know if Trample moved to Florida???

[IMG]https://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2018/10/26/d3b5f8f0-0889-4a32-ad2c-3460931a5d6d/resize/620x/a0c67efeb36092f34f386a5cef8b925d/van-image.png[/IMG]

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[quote=MTK;1204291]Dump Facebook. Best thing I did about a year and a half ago.[/quote]
I've tried,it always sucks me back in:banghead:

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1204324]Anyone know if Trample moved to Florida???

[IMG]https://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2018/10/26/d3b5f8f0-0889-4a32-ad2c-3460931a5d6d/resize/620x/a0c67efeb36092f34f386a5cef8b925d/van-image.png[/IMG][/quote]

I am digging the van covered in stickers. Too bad it isn't custom painted.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1204330]I am digging the van covered in stickers. Too bad it isn't custom painted.[/quote]

The technique of going windows only...you can tell he was leaving the custom paint job very much in play.

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Why does every town have a wacko in a van with way too many bumper stickers

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1204321]Arrest made. Press conference at 2:30. 56 year old man from affluent county in Dade County.

I saw a picture of the van they impounded. It windows were covered with stickers. [B]From what I can tell of the stickers, all the "false flag" folks are going to have to come up with a new and better conspiracy[/B]. The only one I could clearly make out was a big old Republican party emblem and a bunch of US flags.

It's in the story here:

[url]https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/more-suspicious-packages-today-cory-booker-james-clapper-bomb-packages-nyc-live-updates-2018-10-26/[/url][/quote]

Ok hear me out....the Russians built a Frankenstein-like GOP-er Nutcase... programmed it to send all the Trump-haters pipe bombs...but they weren't really operational....so this is actually a Russian bot as opposed to the other type? Its the Russians...again!!!

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The van is covered in pro Trump stuff, registered Rep and has crosshairs on pics of Dems. He has been arrested several times and once for threaten to blow something up in 1992.

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Here's the truly cynical view -
Knowing the press would never ever let people know Trump was speaking in front of hundreds at a Young Black Leadership Summit republican operatives set Cesar on a trailhead mission in order to force the media to show Trumps remarks and announce where he was.

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[quote=Back2RFK;1204344]The van is covered in pro Trump stuff, registered Rep and has crosshairs on pics of Dems. He has been arrested several times and once for threaten to blow something up in 1992.[/quote]

all jokes aside, it is pretty clear that he is a crazy right wing fanatic, and should be locked up for terrorist activity.

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Reading about this I would not be surprised he has some undiagnosed mental disorder.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1204345]Here's the truly cynical view -
Knowing the press would never ever let people know Trump was speaking in front of hundreds at a Young Black Leadership Summit republican operatives set Cesar on a trailhead mission in order to force the media to show Trumps remarks and announce where he was.[/quote]

Yes all 100 of them .What no credit to the press for showing it live ?:funnypost

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1204320]It's funny that your claim of Obama deflection is in itself a deflection.

Trump's policy has been to let the commanders in the field take out targets and make the calls in the field. It effectively turned the ISIS tide in northern Iraq, and, even in cooperation with Russia/Syria, diminished their lands in Syria as well.

It also has been [LIST][*]to not degrade intelligence assets by working to close bases like Guantanemo Bay, [*]or tie the military's hands, and making Iran focus more on their internal politics rather than supporting factions like ISIS[*] by promoting Israeli interests, [*]as well as keeping Saudi's government strong.[/LIST][/quote]

A nice story but I want read the policy and not what you made up.

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Because ISIS lost 98% of its territory.....all the terrorist attacks emanating from within that operational area in to Europe, North America, Russia, etc.....the acts of genocide ended.....................WAIT FOR IT G1.................stop suddenly because of magic!!!

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[quote=Giantone;1204365]A nice story but I want read the policy and not what you made up.[/quote]
Ok my points and policy changes reflecting them: (NOTE most of these sources are "anti-trump" so the general tone and point is to say how awful his policies are, I am simply using them to show the policy that you ask for)

1) tie the military's hands, and making Iran focus more on their internal politics rather than supporting factions like ISIS
You can google and find things pretty quickly, and it's probably quixotic to try and show you, but here we go, from a Politico article about Trump's policy changes in 2017 from Obama's:
[url]https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/12/29/138-trump-policy-changes-2017-000603[/url]

[quote]3. The Pentagon flexes its muscles
During the Obama administration, the military often complained that the White House was micromanaging its affairs, requiring high-level, interagency approval for decisions on troop levels or drone strikes outside of active war zones. [B]Trump has dramatically reversed those policies, giving the Department of Defense wide autonomy to conduct overseas military operations.[/B]
... Trump’s decision to outsource the decision to the Pentagon is a big win for the agency and for Mattis—and an outcome that would have been unthinkable under Obama.[/quote]

[URL="https://www.defensenews.com/global/2018/08/06/trump-brings-back-iran-sanctions-after-exiting-nuclear-deal/"]Trump brings back Iran sanctions after exiting nuclear deal[/URL]

2)to not degrade intelligence assets by working not to close bases like Guantanemo Bay
[url="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/30/guantanamo-bay-trump-signs-executive-order-to-keep-prison-open"]Donald Trump signs executive order to keep Guantánamo Bay open[/url]


3)by promoting Israeli interests,
[url="https://www.vox.com/2018/5/14/17340798/jerusalem-embassy-israel-palestinians-us-trump"]
US officially recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel as a new US Embassy opened there.[/url]
[url="https://www.npr.org/2018/08/31/643812637/u-s-ends-funding-of-un-agency-that-supports-palestinian-refugees"]U.S. Ends Funding Of U.N. Agency That Supports Palestinian Refugees[/url]


4) as well as keeping Saudi's government strong versus Iran:
[url]https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/jamal-khashoggi-and-us-saudi-relationship/572905/[/url]
[quote]On several of these issues, Obama counseled the Saudis to pursue dialogue with the Iranians instead of sliding further into the sectarian war that was engulfing the region. [/quote]


Sometimes G1, I'm not sure if you are trolling or not engaging in honest discussion because you seem more than smart enough to know the policy changes that Trump has made, but then make twisted or dissheveled arguments that he didn't.

Clearly Trump has given policies favoring Israel and Saudi Arabia high priority. Clearly ISIS who we were told had a new unstoppable caliphate built on ancient lands no longer contros those lands. Clearly Trump has stated his intention to use Gitmo as an intelligence gathering tool.

None of these things are really even debatable. The left hates them because they go against the new social globalism, but they don't deny the policy changes.

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[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181026/ff16989fffa7c19eff6ff54c531f48e1.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Chico23231;1204367]Because ISIS lost 98% of its territory.....all the terrorist attacks emanating from within that operational area in to Europe, North America, Russia, etc.....the acts of genocide ended.....................WAIT FOR IT G1.................stop suddenly because of magic!!![/quote]
LOL, you make this shit up as you go along. 98% please links ,elaborate?

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[quote=Giantone;1204378]LOL, you make this shit up as you go along. 98% please links ,elaborate?[/quote]

Please link? You probably weren’t paying attention but isis was able to cut a sizable swath of land from northern Syria to the boder of turkey across into and through Iraq to the border of Iran. Then it ran down to just outside of Baghdad, around it south to Saudi Arabia and then west to Jordan once again to southeastern Syria...that’s off the top of my dome. So envision a rather large country which they controlled and ran...to the point they were minting there own currency.

Now they control about 2% of their original land grab thanks mostly to the United States...we stopped genocide and were able to halt terrorist activities throughout the world.

The lesson learned is the bad hombres will fill the vacuum if we don’t lead. We weren’t leading...the Obama foreign policy doctrine. For a follow up lesson google Crimea and the Ukraine war for other examples Obama doctrine

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[quote=MTK;1204377][IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181026/ff16989fffa7c19eff6ff54c531f48e1.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

The Newseum gotta nice new piece of memorabilia. Like the tank sticker.

Well just glad trump and the administration was able to get him quickly.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1204378]LOL, you make this shit up as you go along. 98% please links ,elaborate?[/QUOTE]Two seconds on google

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/isis-is-on-the-run-caliphate-land-lost-2017-11[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1204371]Ok my points and policy changes reflecting them: (NOTE most of these sources are "anti-trump" so the general tone and point is to say how awful his policies are, I am simply using them to show the policy that you ask for)

1) tie the military's hands, and making Iran focus more on their internal politics rather than supporting factions like ISIS
You can google and find things pretty quickly, and it's probably quixotic to try and show you, but here we go, from a Politico article about Trump's policy changes in 2017 from Obama's:
[url]https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/12/29/138-trump-policy-changes-2017-000603[/url]



[URL="https://www.defensenews.com/global/2018/08/06/trump-brings-back-iran-sanctions-after-exiting-nuclear-deal/"]Trump brings back Iran sanctions after exiting nuclear deal[/URL]

2)to not degrade intelligence assets by working not to close bases like Guantanemo Bay
[url="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/30/guantanamo-bay-trump-signs-executive-order-to-keep-prison-open"]Donald Trump signs executive order to keep Guantánamo Bay open[/url]


3)by promoting Israeli interests,
[url="https://www.vox.com/2018/5/14/17340798/jerusalem-embassy-israel-palestinians-us-trump"]
US officially recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel as a new US Embassy opened there.[/url]
[url="https://www.npr.org/2018/08/31/643812637/u-s-ends-funding-of-un-agency-that-supports-palestinian-refugees"]U.S. Ends Funding Of U.N. Agency That Supports Palestinian Refugees[/url]


4) as well as keeping Saudi's government strong versus Iran:
[url]https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/jamal-khashoggi-and-us-saudi-relationship/572905/[/url]



Sometimes G1, I'm not sure if you are trolling or not engaging in honest discussion because you seem more than smart enough to know the policy changes that Trump has made, but then make twisted or dissheveled arguments that he didn't.

Clearly Trump has given policies favoring Israel and Saudi Arabia high priority. Clearly ISIS who we were told had a new unstoppable caliphate built on ancient lands no longer contros those lands. Clearly Trump has stated his intention to use Gitmo as an intelligence gathering tool.

None of these things are really even debatable. The left hates them because they go against the new social globalism, but they don't deny the policy changes.[/quote]

Did you even read the link? You are saying trumps policies are just stopping all of Obama's policies ........and if you would read the whole link you posted you would see that trump has done more harm than good.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1204381]Two seconds on google

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/isis-is-on-the-run-caliphate-land-lost-2017-11[/url][/quote]

thanks chico......oh wait.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1204381]Two seconds on google

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/isis-is-on-the-run-caliphate-land-lost-2017-11[/url][/quote]

LOL, no .I take the word of people in the Military and in other agency's first and that artical is not correct not as of July of this year.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1204385]LOL, no .I take the word of people in the Military and in other agency's first and that artical is not correct not as of July of this year.[/QUOTE]As you say, link please

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1204389]As you say, link please[/quote]


[url]https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/iraq-isis/569047/[/url]



[url]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-syria-regrouping-islamic-state-assad-a8429446.html[/url]



[url]https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2018/03/war-iraq-isnt-done-commanders-explain-why-and-whats-next/146889/[/url]

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This thread is amazing. Not 1% of anyone's mind has been changed or will ever be changed. And this will be true for the next 100 years.

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I'm not reading those articles, because its not my argument, but any article by The Atlantic is a non starter. And there are sites on the right you could say the same for.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1204390][url]https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/iraq-isis/569047/[/url]



[url]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-syria-regrouping-islamic-state-assad-a8429446.html[/url]



[url]https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2018/03/war-iraq-isnt-done-commanders-explain-why-and-whats-next/146889/[/url][/QUOTE]And again you articles that prove my point. I sure hope you don't make a living in debates. The question was about ISIS land holdings From your link:
[Quote]This time, in Iraq, they are focused like a laser beam[Bold] never to let something like*ISIS*happen again,[/Bold]” Lt. Gen. Paul Funk told us in his headquarters office. The highest-ranking American officer in country, Funk commands Combined Joint Task Force – Operation Inherent*Resolve.[/Quote]

Understand the commander is looking past Isis, because they aren't an issue in Iraq, BECAUSE ... wait for it ... they dont't have territory in iraq.

And in fact your Atlantic article QUOTES the US military on the 98% figure.
[Quote]U.S. military officials say*isis*has now been driven out of 98 percent of the territory it once controlled.[/Quote]

Hilarious

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1204391]This thread is amazing. Not 1% of anyone's mind has been changed or will ever be changed. And this will be true for the next 100 years.[/QUOTE]I was listening to a radio show talking about how to persuade people, they said first know who you won't ever persuade and persuade and don't try because you will loop yourself into lunacy.

I think of that every time i start down this thread and yet i still come back. :(

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1204394]I was listening to a radio show talking about how to persuade people, they said first know who you won't ever persuade and persuade and don't try because you will loop yourself into lunacy.

I think of that every time i start down this thread and yet i still come back. :([/quote]

Lol, yeah, you're definitely a fan of rabbit holes. I still read the posts but I don't respond directly to anyone about actual policy or anything.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1204393]And again you articles that prove my point. I sure hope you don't make a living in debates. The question was about ISIS land holdings From your link:


Understand the commander is looking past Isis, because they aren't an issue in Iraq, BECAUSE ... wait for it ... they dont't have territory in iraq.

And in fact your Atlantic article QUOTES the US military on the 98% figure.


Hilarious[/quote]

Again I believe the actual people station there doing the actual fighting .