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[quote=AnonEmouse;1284548]And how do we know Tebow won't be a good ST player? Don't think anyone expects him to be #1 TE, but nothing says he can't make the team as depth.[/quote]

If he makes the team as a starter at TE that would be an indictment on all the other natural TE's on the roster.

You guys are acting like age isn't a thing. His ceiling as a 34yo player is lower than the ceilings of the younger TE's.

Sure he doesn't have the wear and tear most 34 yo's do, but rare is the player who gets better in their 30's.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1284491]I would bet plenty of corners shy away from contact at times. They're not the biggest dudes out there and they don't get paid for hitting.[/QUOTE]Accurate. Just something I've never been a fan of. And, one of the reasons I liked Breeland, agressive against screens and outside runs.
Don't care about big hits. But love to see a DB dive underneath a block and wrap a RB's ankles. I'm aware this is not their main job, and not the most important though.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1284552]Tebow's natural position based on body type is not a traditional TE, but an H-back like Gibbs used frequently.[/quote]

He's too slow to be a RB, LOL. Agree he's a bit small for TE though. He has the speed of a blocking TE but not the optimal size. You think of how many decent TEs we added to roster, not like Meyer just fell off turnip truck. He knows Tebow and must see something or know something that makes him think Tebow is at least 90th best.

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[quote=Scalper;1284559]He's too slow to be a RB, LOL. Agree he's a bit small for TE though. He has the speed of a blocking TE but not the optimal size. You think of how many decent TEs we added to roster, not like Meyer just fell off turnip truck. He knows Tebow and must see something or know something that makes him think Tebow is at least 90th best.[/quote]

It's marketing, Dude. Tebow is immensely popular in Jacksonville. He brings more attention and with it more earnings opportunities to the Jaguars. Anything they might get from him on the field is gravy.

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[quote=Scalper;1284559]He's too slow to be a RB, LOL. Agree he's a bit small for TE though. He has the speed of a blocking TE but not the optimal size. You think of how many decent TEs we added to roster, not like Meyer just fell off turnip truck. He knows Tebow and must see something or know something that makes him think Tebow is at least 90th best.[/quote]

My post said H-back like Gibbs used, not a RB. Chris Cooley is the example who came to mind of being used frequently and recently in that role.

Tebow's speed and Cooley's speed are comparable. Don't read more into my post than is there, but at least read the post.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1284561]It's marketing, Dude. Tebow is immensely popular in Jacksonville. He brings more attention and with it more earnings opportunities to the Jaguars. Anything they might get from him on the field is gravy.[/quote]

Coaches often view such "marketing" as a distraction best avoided. I don't think any coach views contribution on field as gravy. Sounds like THE DAN though, LOL.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1284564]My post said H-back like Gibbs used, not a RB. Chris Cooley is the example who came to mind of being used frequently and recently in that role.

Tebow's speed and Cooley's speed are comparable. Don't read more into my post than is there, but at least read the post.[/quote]

LOL.
I read it.
LOL.

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I dont think Tebow would make an NFL roster but Jaguars are a bit differently run.

I could see a package where he is in for 10 or so snaps a game.

Short yardage and 2 pt conversions = he could be wildcat, QB or decoy .. move him from outside to inside and see if D shifts etc

Im convinced a coach soon will come up with a specialized short yardage/2 pt conversions unit with someone like Tebow or Saints Hill and go for it every single time for 2 points.

They will have a 85% or so conversions rate for short yard and 2 pts tries.

20 years from now all teams will have a special short yardage unit.

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[quote=Scalper;1284570]Coaches often view such "marketing" as a distraction best avoided. I don't think any coach views contribution on field as gravy. Sounds like THE DAN though, LOL.[/quote]

Speaking of gravy, there are a lot of chefs in the Jags kitchen.

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Anyone else get the feeling that the Jags will soon be the car wreck that no one in the NFL can't drive by without slowing down and staring?

Maybe we can scoop up Trevor Lawrence on the cheap in 3 years, after Urban is out of the league, and his replacement fucks up the talent at his disposal.

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Here is a 20 minute interview with Terry McLaurin. Love this guy's attitude, intelligence and savvy answers. There was as little fluff as you can get in an off season interview with some nuggets, like Fitz texting him about routes, that make it well worth the watch, especially when insomnia kicks[emoji1787][emoji1787]
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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1284597]Here is a 20 minute interview with Terry McLaurin. Love this guy's attitude, intelligence and savvy answers. There was as little fluff as you can get in an off season interview with some nuggets, like Fitz texting him about routes, that make it well worth the watch, especially when insomnia kicks[emoji1787][emoji1787]
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This was an excellent interview. Terry McLaurin is a very impressive young man. I"m glad he's on our side.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1284598]This was an excellent interview. [B]Terry McLaurin is a very impressive young man[/B]. I"m glad he's on our side.[/quote]

Definitely

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While Haskins has left an understandably bitter taste in the mouth of Skins fans, most of the OSU players are pretty high caliber persons as demonstrated by Terry and Chase and, soon to be, Chris Samuels..

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Woops, wrong Samuels.

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Lot of speculation, but still a good read IMO.
Didn't know part of the money loaned to Dan for the buy out came directly from the NFL.

Catchy title, but good column : [URL="https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jun/1/dan-snyder-could-be-forced-out-nfl-if-no-stadium-d/"]Dan Snyder could be forced out by NFL if no stadium deal is reached[/URL]

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1284622]Lot of speculation, but still a good read IMO.
Didn't know part of the money loaned to Dan for the buy out came directly from the NFL.

Catchy title, but good column : [URL="https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jun/1/dan-snyder-could-be-forced-out-nfl-if-no-stadium-d/"]Dan Snyder could be forced out by NFL if no stadium deal is reached[/URL][/quote]

Assuming 100% true, I'm very torn here. Really really want a stadium in D.C. Really really want to have a different owner. Hmmmm??

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1284622]Lot of speculation, but still a good read IMO.
Didn't know part of the money loaned to Dan for the buy out came directly from the NFL.

Catchy title, but good column : [URL="https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jun/1/dan-snyder-could-be-forced-out-nfl-if-no-stadium-d/"]Dan Snyder could be forced out by NFL if no stadium deal is reached[/URL][/quote]

THE DAN not dumb enough to let it happen.
He is indeed an embarrassment to NFL. Every species of failure and douchery imaginable under his ownership.
The living exemplar of the free rider effect, LOL.
Snyder can just get a loan somewhere else at higher interest in 8 years and pay them back if he hasn't gotten new stadium. With legalized gambling, he'll be rolling, though the entire world rightfully despises him, and local communities don't trust him and hate making a deal with him, too much money for someone not to bite.
Can you imagine, with turdery THE DAN has done publicly, what the internal report must say? Won't matter though, LOL. Momentary PR hit that will be massaged.
He is simply not dumb enough to give up team, we are stuck with him for decades, for life, and then probably his equally petulant children.

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Just some random stuff

[URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/6/2/22465297/ron-rivera-jack-del-rio-and-players-talk-about-otas"]Ron Rivera, Jack Del Rio, and players talk about OTAs[/URL]

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Coach Ron miked up at OTA's if anyone's interested.

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[quote=MTK;1284640]Just some random stuff

[URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/6/2/22465297/ron-rivera-jack-del-rio-and-players-talk-about-otas"]Ron Rivera, Jack Del Rio, and players talk about OTAs[/URL][/quote]

I'm really curious to see how our LBs shake out. Do we start Davis middle and Holcomb and Hudson outside? Curious to hear anyone's thoughts on LBs on roster that are best fit outside if we start Davis MLB.

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I heard that was a possibility. The LB spot could go from a glaring weakness to a strength if that works out.

Holcolmb - SLB
Davis - MLB
Hudson - WLB

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1284661]I heard that was a possibility. The LB spot could go from a glaring weakness to a strength if that works out.

Holcolmb - SLB
Davis - MLB
Hudson - WLB[/quote]

I'd be fine with keeping Bostic off the field, he was incredibly disappointing last season.

Sidenote, Khaleke Hudson is listed as 6'0" 220... not your big LB, but less undersized than he looked on the field. Maybe he can develop into a traditional LB with a couple of extra pounds. I thought he was more hybrid LB/nickel.

I'd still like bringing KJ Wright on a one year deal. I mean he's 32 and still unsigned, how expensive can he be now ?

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[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/washington-football-ota-observations-bloody-qb-limping-wr-jamin-makes-move[/url]

"Once again, first-round pick Jamin Davis was at the MIKE linebacker spot instead of on the outside. For the first time, Del Rio and Rivera confirmed that is the plan for him to stay inside moving forward."

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1284665][url]https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/washington-football-ota-observations-bloody-qb-limping-wr-jamin-makes-move[/url]

"Once again, first-round pick Jamin Davis was at the MIKE linebacker spot instead of on the outside. For the first time, Del Rio and Rivera confirmed that is the plan for him to stay inside moving forward."[/quote]

Great news, no more Bostic calling the shots while obviously having no clue what he's supposed to do.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1284665][url]https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/washington-football-ota-observations-bloody-qb-limping-wr-jamin-makes-move[/url]

"Once again, first-round pick Jamin Davis was at the MIKE linebacker spot instead of on the outside. For the first time, Del Rio and Rivera confirmed that is the plan for him to stay inside moving forward."[/quote]

Kinda big and a lil surprising this is happening so fast. I thought he would be at wil…with a chance to move to the middle in the future

Welp, Ron and JDR got their middle linebacker

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Depends how well he calls the defence and gets the others in correct position. That is Bostics strength and why RR and JDR like him at MLB. They are trying Davis out at MLB as at this point it is good experience, it is still likely he will move outside with Bostic coming in at MLB when camp starts to wind down and preparation for the first games is ongoing. Davies has to get aclimated to playing in the NFL before handing over the whole defence to him. I think it is likely we'll see him as 2nd string MLB during the preseason and they will see how he fares.

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Given RR and JDR's track record with dominant LB play, I won't be shocked if Davis becomes a force at MLB quickly. I think it would shock me more if he didn't establish himself quickly.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1284665][url]https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/washington-football-ota-observations-bloody-qb-limping-wr-jamin-makes-move[/url]

"Once again, first-round pick Jamin Davis was at the MIKE linebacker spot instead of on the outside. For the first time, Del Rio and Rivera confirmed that is the plan for him to stay inside moving forward."[/quote]

Couple other observations:

Second-year OL Saahdiq Charles, who Rivera described as having a very good offseason, was also held out as a maintenance day, per the WFT head coach.

This dude could be a stud and we got zero from him last year. John Keim has said his future is a guard. Charles could be a Chico “quiet baller” selection.

Rookie tight end John Bates had a nice outstretched-hand grab. He appears to be the real deal through rookie camp and OTAs. Tight end Sammis Reyes had another easy/uncontested drop during individuals drills. This is a problem at this point in his development, especially with Bates' emergence as the TE No. 2. The one thing Reyes can hope to bring to the table this year for Washington is his athleticism and potential pass-catching ability. He's had at least one drop every time we've been allowed at practice.

Hype train Reyes should chill, but Bates real deal is great news. If Bates can be the second TE and contribute in that roll this season, watch out

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Training Camp Back in Richmond:

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/washington-football-returns-richmond-one-week-training-camp[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1284673]Couple other observations:

Second-year OL Saahdiq Charles, who Rivera described as having a very good offseason, was also held out as a maintenance day, per the WFT head coach.

This dude could be a stud and we got zero from him last year. John Keim has said his future is a guard. Charles could be a Chico “quiet baller” selection.

Rookie tight end John Bates had a nice outstretched-hand grab. He appears to be the real deal through rookie camp and OTAs. Tight end Sammis Reyes had another easy/uncontested drop during individuals drills. This is a problem at this point in his development, especially with Bates' emergence as the TE No. 2. The one thing Reyes can hope to bring to the table this year for Washington is his athleticism and potential pass-catching ability. He's had at least one drop every time we've been allowed at practice.

Hype train Reyes should chill, but Bates real deal is great news. If Bates can be the second TE and contribute in that roll this season, watch out[/quote]

I feel good with L. Thomas at TE #1 so really this is all competition for the #2 spot. I like Bates there much more than I did Sprinkle.

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I think Bates is going to be sneaky good. Big upgrade over Sprinkle.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1284671]Given RR and JDR's track record with dominant LB play, I won't be shocked if Davis becomes a force at MLB quickly. I think it would shock me more if he didn't establish himself quickly.

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RR teams also has a track record of playing rookies.

Merit over status.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1284669]Depends how well he calls the defence and gets the others in correct position. That is Bostics strength and why RR and JDR like him at MLB. They are trying Davis out at MLB as at this point it is good experience, it is still likely he will move outside with Bostic coming in at MLB when camp starts to wind down and preparation for the first games is ongoing. Davies has to get aclimated to playing in the NFL before handing over the whole defence to him. I think it is likely we'll see him as 2nd string MLB during the preseason and they will see how he fares.[/quote]

It's not a requirement that the middle linebacker has to call the defense. I know the Redskins have had safeties call the plays in the past.

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[quote=MTK;1284683]I think Bates is going to be sneaky good. Big upgrade over Sprinkle.[/quote]

He's definitely locked in as TE2. And possibly TE1 after this year if we don't or can't extend Thomas.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1284694]He's definitely locked in as TE2. And possibly TE1 after this year if we don't or can't extend Thomas.[/QUOTE]I would be surprised if we don't resign Thomas

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Did anybody else hear Scherff's reaction to Cosmi joining a Deadlift session and his speed?

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/video/brandon-scherff-his-first-reaction-sam-cosmi-jeez-louise[/url]

The language he used suggests being genuinely impressed rather than appropriately complimentary.

Always think it's cool when one apex predator takes note of another.

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[quote=GridIron26;1284697]I would be surprised if we don't resign Thomas[/quote]

Me too. I think he'll probably get extended for another 2 years

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Thomas, Allen, Settle...would be nice to lock them all up.

At least 60% of the most likely starting O-line will be FAs next year too, so might want to think about trying to do something there as well.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1284701]Thomas, Allen, Settle...would be nice to lock them all up.[/QUOTE]I think Settle will be the hardest to lockup. He knows he can be a starter somewhere and we can't pay every DLine starters money


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