Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

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Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

VY's rushing abilities and stats should not be discredited when discussing the total package he brings on the field

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;804253]VY's rushing abilities and stats should not be discredited when discussing the total package he brings on the field[/quote]

If you can find me one rushing QB that's won a super bowl (hell even a MVP) then let me know. A QB should be mobile. Sure, but his stats should be coming from the passing portion of his game, not from his feet. Making plays doesn't win championships, sustaining drives does. Straight from Steve Young's mouth, and he should know something or another about QBs with mobility.

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[quote=SmootSmack;804253]VY's rushing abilities and stats should not be discredited when discussing the total package he brings on the field[/quote]


...furthermore, what I can discount is this kids maturity, mental stability, and leadership abilities. He's proven since he's stepped into the league he has absolutely no business being in a leader's position.


It's about time we as Redskin's fan smarten up and stop wanting to bring in idiots with RED FLAGS that are waving fast and furiously. Let somebody else deal with the basket case.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Daseal;804152]I'll say this now, I'm fine with us giving Beck a chance. We always say that we want to give people a chance to learn and come up -- here it is. Not exactly building from within. However we got a guy for a relatively low price and he may give us a shot. I would like to see us give him a chance. I'd be okay giving Grossman the reigns as well. Let them fight it out. Just don't do the typical skins move and go try to get a big name QB.[/quote]
A relatively low price is an understatement. I keep hearing analysts and others say Shanahan liked him enough to trade for him. All we gave up was Doug Dutch to a desperate Ravens team with it entire group of CB's hurt. In fact, we resigned Doug Dutch to the practice squad later that year. So, I would say the price was basically nothing. I am tempering my expectations on Beck, but what I am excited to see the outcome.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;804259]If you can find me one rushing QB that's won a super bowl (hell even a MVP) then let me know. A QB should be mobile. Sure, but his stats should be coming from the passing portion of his game, not from his feet. Making plays doesn't win championships, sustaining drives does. Straight from Steve Young's mouth, and he should know something or another about QBs with mobility.[/quote]

Well I think you're also looking at his rookie numbers and forgetting that was five years ago. Since then his completion percentage, passer rating, yards/attempt, TD/INT ratio...among other stats have all increased

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;804263]Well I think you're also looking at his rookie numbers and forgetting that was five years ago. Since then his completion percentage, passer rating, yards/attempt, TD/INT ratio...among other stats have all increased[/quote]

...and his rushing stats, attempts, and completions have also decreased. He's still a sub 60% passer when it comes to completion %. Hell, if we want that, might as well keep McNabb around to be honest with you. The kid was benched....for Kerry Collins of all people..lol

This is one QB you aren't going to sell me on, and it's mostly due to his mental state. Would I cheer him on? Sure. Would I think it would improve us? Nope.

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What you think is his mental state.

And technically he wasn't benched for Collins (someone else who used to get blasted for his maturity issues...largely related to alcohol abuse). Collins replaced him when Young got injured. But yes, it's true that when the 2009 season started Fisher could have gone with a healthy Young but went with Collins, again reiterating that Fisher never truly was on Young's side

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;804259]If you can [B]find me one rushing QB that's won a super bowl [/B](hell even a MVP) then let me know. A QB should be mobile. Sure, but his stats should be coming from the passing portion of his game, not from his feet. Making plays doesn't win championships, sustaining drives does. Straight from [B]Steve Young's [/B]mouth, and he should know something or another about QBs with mobility.[/quote]

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"The art of fighting without fighting." -Bruce Lee [Enter The Dragon]

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"The art of fighting without fighting." -Bruce Lee [Enter The Dragon][/quote]

I thought that was funny too.

Granted he was a heck of a passer too, but he sure had some legs.

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[quote=NC_Skins;804265]...and his rushing stats, attempts, and completions have also decreased. He's still a sub 60% passer when it comes to completion %. Hell, if we want that, might as well keep McNabb around to be honest with you. [B]The kid was benched....for Kerry Collins[/B] of all people..lol

This is one QB you aren't going to sell me on, and it's mostly due to his mental state. Would I cheer him on? Sure. Would I think it would improve us? Nope.[/quote]

2009 Season:

Kerry Collins began season as starter. Record = 0-6
Vince Young became starter after bye week. Record = 8-2
*averaged a QB rating of 89.3 during those 10 games*

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;804259]If you can find me one [B]rushing QB that's won a super bowl[/B] (hell even a MVP) then let me know. A QB should be mobile. Sure, but his stats should be coming from the passing portion of his game, not from his feet. Making plays doesn't win championships, sustaining drives does. Straight from [B]Steve Young's [/B]mouth, and he should know something or another about QBs with mobility.[/quote]

Running QB?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8P1TzqWEgY&feature=player_detailpage]YouTube - ‪Steve Young's Great Escape‬‏[/ame]

Super Bowl?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBuGr1pDEEM&feature=player_detailpage]YouTube - ‪Steve Young's MVP performance in Super Bowl XXIX‬‏[/ame]


Channeling my inner John Stewart.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

Should have asked for two running QB's lulz. Still don't forget John Elway. You also might be able to include Big Ben and Aaron Rodgers.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Son Of Man;804281]2009 Season:

Kerry Collins began season as starter. Record = 0-6
Vince Young became starter after bye week. Record = 8-2
*averaged a QB rating of 89.3 during those 10 games*[/quote]


Vince Young isn't the answer. Yeah he caught on last season and had somewhat of a rebound in 10 games. Point is the Titans deem him expendable still, and they are the opnly ones to have had to deal with him. Being benched to the like of a has been like Collins is just as bad as when Tarvaris Jackson was benched in favor of my man Gus. Oh yeah, that's right Gus went what? 8-3 til he got hurt and they had to bring in Jackson again? Bringing in VY is a big gamble at this point. And if he sucks, you are assured another 2-3 seasons of subpar Qbing. If he is a wreck you will then have to draft a QB and hope he is a gamer and not a Patrick Ramsey or David Carr.

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Big gamble for a 6-10 team with no QB?

I don't see why it's a big risk at all.

If he sucks you cut him and move on.

That said I agree with SS, the longer the lockout goes on the less chance he ends up here. We'll likely ride things out with a stellar platoon of Beck and Grossman and both will probably see their fare share of PT.