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more ifs and uncertainty about manning's health. let me pose this question: if he can't throw the ball like an nfl qb in 6 months, would you want the redskins to sign him?

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[quote=CapitalDefense;887869]Shanny has done a very good job making this team younger and better at a bunch of positions ince he took this job. His stubbornness at the QB position will be his downfall here I am afraid. He needs to get us a franchise QB, I do not care how, who or where he gets him. JUST DO IT!!!![/quote]

My god folks he's gunna get him for ya you'll just have to wait till late in the 1st round to see MS pick him. ;)

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[quote=Lotus;887872]It's all a cover-up for our real issue: windy day kickoff holder.[/quote]

Personally I'm a fan of a backup QB holding in case there is a bad delivery the QB. An pass it, or for fakes. What is a Punter going to do on a muffed delivery? Punt?

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you can't throw a forward pass on a kickoff

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[quote=los panda;887891]you can't throw a forward pass on a kickoff[/quote]

Maybe I'm miss understood. I presumed someone was refering to the Skins taking a holder for field goals because of some of our bad snaps and bad holds for the kicker this year. I apologize for miss understanding that someone wanted a kick off holder for windy days. < can't we pick one of those up late in the draft or are they a dying breed and we should go after one in the first round cause I too definitely don't want to miss out.

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[quote=los panda;887884]more ifs and uncertainty about manning's health. let me pose this question: if he can't throw the ball like an nfl qb in 6 months, would you want the redskins to sign him?[/quote]

This is a moot question. It's reported today on the NFL network improving. But to answer your hypothetical question I'd want to know from PM if he was not able to play would he consider staying on and assisting with coaching in some capacity? If he would and would give your team first crack at a contract then it's a win win and you go out and pick up a really good Rookie QB who can either learn behind PM or could be coached up by PM.

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[quote=SBXVII;887896]This is a moot question. It's reported today on the NFL network improving. But to answer your hypothetical question I'd want to know from PM if he was not able to play would he consider staying on and assisting with coaching in some capacity? If he would and would give your team first crack at a contract then it's a win win and you go out and pick up a really good Rookie QB who can either learn behind PM or could be coached up by PM.[/quote]

He's not going to just out of pads and right into a clip board. There is a big difference between being a player and being a coach. There is a progressive process. You normally start out as a quality control guy, move up to an assistant position coach, and go from there. I realize Peyton Manning is an amazing student of the game but it just doesn't work that way.

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[quote=SBXVII;887894]Maybe I'm miss understood. I presumed someone was refering to the Skins taking a holder for field goals because of some of our bad snaps and bad holds for the kicker this year. I apologize for miss understanding that someone wanted a kick off holder for windy days. < can't we pick one of those up late in the draft or are they a dying breed and we should go after one in the first round cause I too definitely don't want to miss out.[/quote]i was just grinding your gears, i'm sorry. does anyone remember bryan barker's nose? i can't remember if tupa held for kicks, he would have been ideal.

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[quote=SBXVII;887896]This is a moot question. It's reported today on the NFL network improving. But to answer your hypothetical question I'd want to know from PM if he was not able to play would he consider staying on and assisting with coaching in some capacity? If he would and would give your team first crack at a contract then it's a win win and you go out and pick up a really good Rookie QB who can either learn behind PM or could be coached up by PM.[/quote]and if he said no?

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So the lastest word that I heard today was that Shanahan LOVES Weedon and wants to move down in the 1st round to get more picks. Heard this on Lavar and Dukes. If this rumor is true then I'm all for this. We're not getting Luck or RG3 so why not try and move down? I like this way of thinking.

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[quote=SBXVII;887827]Uh-Oh... spaghetti-O's.

[URL="http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/2/22/2817100/report-mike-shanahan-loves-quarterback-brandon-weeden"]Report: Mike Shanahan "Loves Quarterback Brandon Weeden" - Hogs Haven[/URL]

Now I know some of you are going to be un-happy, but .....c'est la vie.[/quote]

Guess you beat me to it.

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[quote=SkinzWin;887899]He's not going to just out of pads and right into a clip board. There is a big difference between being a player and being a coach. There is a progressive process. You normally start out as a quality control guy, move up to an assistant position coach, and go from there. I realize Peyton Manning is an amazing student of the game but it just doesn't work that way.[/quote]

I didn't say make him OC or QB coach, I said see if he would like to stay close to the game and work as an Asst.

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[quote=los panda;887849]weeden at 6 won't happen[/quote]

Of course not. However, if they mess around and move too far down and someone else grabs him then we're screwed. If he's their guy then you have to go get him. Look at the guys that went high last year? Ponder and the guy on Tenn. They both went higher than they should've. But because teams are pressed for QB play they went higher than expected.

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[quote=los panda;887903]and if he said no?[/quote]

Then I'd have to have more information in regards to his recovery.

I really don't want PM. My first choice would be Flynn because he's young has shown he can make all the throws and is healthy. If Flynn is out I'd take PM over Orton and either hope PM is ready or plan on said Rookie stepping up early.

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[quote=SBXVII;887912]Then I'd have to have more information in regards to his recovery.

I really don't want PM. My first choice would be Flynn because he's young has shown he can make all the throws and is healthy. If Flynn is out I'd take PM over Orton and either hope PM is ready or plan on said Rookie stepping up early.[/quote]and if the only information in regards to his recovery is the kind of information we're getting right now?

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[quote=skinsfan69;887911]Of course not. However, if they mess around and move too far down and someone else grabs him then we're screwed. If he's their guy then you have to go get him. Look at the guys that went high last year? Ponder and the guy on Tenn. They both went higher than they should've. But because teams are pressed for QB play they went higher than expected.[/quote]

Ideally trading back for more picks and grabbing Weeden is my choice, but what you say does worry me. I've seen rumors that Miami is interested in him, Dallas interviewed him and what better way to screw the Skins over the then to take the very QB they want in the draft? I've even heard the Patriots were interested in him. Age smage, if he was early 20's word is he would be close to the top.

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[quote=los panda;887913]and if the only information in regards to his recovery is the kind of information we're getting right now?[/quote]

???

If all I had to go on is what we know now probably not, but you don't take him without bringing him in and talking to him, talking with his doctor, having him show what he is currently capable of doing. If everything points to him improving as the doctors say then I don't see how you pass on him.

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i just had to pull that tooth

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Flynn to get franchise tag?

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[QUOTE=44Deezel;887957]Flynn to get franchise tag?

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Smart

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[quote=44Deezel;887957]Flynn to get franchise tag?

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Not because I wanted him but rather him not being a free agent makes getting RGIII just a wee bit harder.

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[quote=NC_Skins;887882][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7600403/report-miami-dolphins-offer-chad-henne-new-contract]Report -- Miami Dolphins won't offer Chad Henne new contract - ESPN[/url][/quote]

What are some of your guys opinions on Henne? I believe GTripp had some positive things to say about him, which is rare :P. I see him in the Jason Campbell, Orton level of QB. Now that I think about it he might be a better option than Orton, cheaper. maybe higher ceiling too

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[quote=NM Redskin;887974]What are some of your guys opinions on Henne? I believe GTripp had some positive things to say about him, which is rare :P. I see him in the Jason Campbell, Orton level of QB. Now that I think about it he might be a better option than Orton, cheaper.[/quote]

To me Henne is a poor mans Jason Campbell.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;887976]To me Henne is a poor mans Jason Campbell.[/quote]In what way are they similar? One has had a kind of boring, run-of-the-mill productive career, while the other was good through age 25, and then got injured in a contract year.

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[quote=GTripp0012;887978]In what way are they similar? One has had a kind of boring, run-of-the-mill productive career, while the other was good through age 25, and then got injured in a contract year.[/quote]

Campbell is obviously better (hence the poor mans Jason Campbell) but I guess that they just remind me of each other. Both in terms of their draft day expectations to fans wanting their team to find a replacement.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;887983]Campbell is obviously better (hence the poor mans Jason Campbell) but I guess that they just remind me of each other. Both in terms of their draft day expectations to fans wanting their team to find a replacement.[/quote]I should throw it out there that I'm studying Campbell's last three years extensively with him set to hit free agency, and will probably do the same with Henne before the end of the month. Campbell shows clear tendencies based on coverage looks that I'm sure coordinators have picked up on, but as long as he can use his legs effectively, Campbell is difficult to stop/scheme against.

The funny thing about Jason Campbell is that he's getting to that point of his career where he's nicked and bruised week to week and isn't the athlete he once was, and he's reaching that point simultaneously with maturation in the pocket in terms of ball security and getting the ball out in timing and rhythm. The funny thing is: this trade off will keep him as a middle of the pack QB overall, although the "film guys" like Cosell are sure to remark that he is an "improved" player, whatever that means.

Henne has had the same down to down inconsistent shown by all young QBs, and as long as he keeps getting reps and keeps improving, I'm not sure we should hold his early career negative plays against him. After all, Campbell (who I believe was a really good fit for Zorn's offense) threw blind a number of times on tape during the 2009 season when he was fooled by the coverage. He hardly ever did that with Oakland.

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And with regards to Henne, if you isolate his passing away from his running, you get a completely different story.

[B]Passing DYAR divided by games started for "successful" QB draft picks (2005-2011)[/B]

1. Aaron Rodgers 95.35
2. Matt Ryan 75.55
3. Joe Flacco 42.73
4. Chad Henne 41.03
5. Matthew Stafford 36.24
6. Jay Cutler 33.50
7. Jason Campbell 30.53
8. Kyle Orton 22.91
9. Josh Freeman 21.12
10. Ryan Fitzpatrick 8.87

He had the advantage of sitting his first season, so subjectively, you might want to switch him and Stafford, but he's still one of the best QBs (by passing) picked in the last seven drafts.

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Newton was 38.69 by the same metric this year, for context, and he gets no value for his rushing contributions.

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Hene/Orton would be a nice insurance policy wither we try and trade up for RG3 or try and trade down for Taneihill. It's not assured that either will be there, at the same time not handcuffing us to make a deal so we over pay.

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i'd probably take henne over orton, but he's still meh to me.

Henne sucks period no thanks

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I was surprised to read that RGIII isnt going to throw at the combine, he's only going to run. IMO that's not a good sign.

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[quote=44Deezel;887957]Flynn to get franchise tag?

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Big risk IMO - he'd be tagged at ~$14 mil and if he was smart, would sign the contract right away. Then Packers have until Mar 13th to trade him or take the contract hit.

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[quote=Higskin;888031]Big risk IMO - he'd be tagged at ~$14 mil and if he was smart, would sign the contract right away. Then Packers have until Mar 13th to trade him or take the contract hit.[/quote]

They can't trade him until the 13th. Anything negotiated prior to that is tampering and also teams can't franchise a player with the idea of trading him. So, if I'm a team wanting Flynn, I refuse to give them anything and then report them to the league for the violation.

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[quote=irish;888028]I was surprised to read that RGIII isnt going to throw at the combine, he's only going to run. IMO that's not a good sign.[/quote]

Why is that not a good sign?

Luck isn't throwing either.

They have nothing to gain.

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[quote=NM Redskin;887974]What are some of your guys opinions on Henne? I believe GTripp had some positive things to say about him, which is rare :P. I see him in the Jason Campbell, Orton level of QB. Now that I think about it he might be a better option than Orton, cheaper. maybe higher ceiling too[/quote]

To me Henne has a hell of a lot more upside than Orton. Last time I saw Henne he was carving up New England's defense for over 400 yards. I know NE has a poor defense but still, the guy has talent. Orton? Below average talent.

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Problem is everyone carved up NE last year. Look what Henne did in the remainder of his starts last year. Very underwhelming.

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Gruden's QB Camp Schedule

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[quote=SmootSmack;888067]Gruden's QB Camp Schedule

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