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[QUOTE=Giantone;1204397]Again I believe the actual people station there doing the actual fighting .[/QUOTE]The point of debate was the land control isis had lost.(chico's 98 percent comment which your article says that our military forces announced).

If you now want to say ISIS still exists, and is fighting to regain control of that land, we agree on that.

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[quote=Back2RFK;1204277]For some reason when I heard about these bombs my first thought was. Some crazy liberal (they are on both sides) planted these bombs to help boost the Democrats right before the election.[/quote]

.......not the crazy president. Lord knows he does not incite violence.


As Matty said ...words matter.


Classic Trump quotes:

"I’d like to punch him in the face"
"Maybe he should have been roughed up"
"Part of the problem...is no one wants to hurt each other anymore"
"I don’t know if I’ll do the fighting myself or if other people will"
"The audience hit back. That’s what we need a little bit more of"
"If you do (hurt him), I’ll defend you in court, don’t worry about it"
"I’ll beat the crap out of you"
"Knock the crap out of him, would you? I promise you, I will pay your legal fees”
"If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know."
"Any guy that can do a body slam, he's my kind of ... He was my guy."
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters"

These quotes reflect trump's real beliefs, shared with all of his followers.

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trump tries to take credit for the economy yet it was Obama's and I get hell for saying it.



Unemployment rate by year,

2009- 9.9%
2010- 9.3%
2011- 8.5%
2012- 7.9%
2013- 6.7%
2014- 5.6%
2015- 5.0%
2016- 4.7%
2017- 4.1%
2018- 3.8%

Under Obama the unemployment rate fell from 9.9% to 4.7% (a decrease of 5.2%)
Under Trump the unemployment rate fell from 4.1% to 3.8% (a decrease of 0.3%)
[url]https://www.thebalance.com/unemploym...y-year-3305506[/url]
[url]https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000[/url]

In Obama's last 11 months in office 2.09 million jobs were added.
In the last 11 months while Trump was in office 1.84 million jobs were added.
Trump's first-year jobs record was strong. Just not as strong as Obama's last year - Jan. 5, 2018

Could you please explain how Obama stopped black Americans from getting jobs, and how Trump helped black Americans get jobs?



Obama passed the "Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP), the Neighborhood Stabilization Program, the Federal Housing Administration Refinance Programs and the Emergency Homeowner Relief Fund" all of which helped homeowners. And now Trump is abolishing all those programs.
[url]https://money.cnn.com/2011/02/25/new...help/index.htm[/url]

Trumps budget make drastic cuts to affordable housing programs that "help millions of low income seniors, people with disabilities, families with children, veterans, and other vulnerable people afford their homes." Trump wants to cut HUD by $8.8 billion dollars or 18.3-percent compared to 2017 levels.
[url]https://nlihc.org/article/president-...bruary-12-2018[/url]

And Trump has already transferred the above funding to the richest 1% of Americans via the Trump tax cuts.
[url]https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetno...nalysis-finds/[/url]

What has Trump done to help black Americans keep their homes?

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I am sure the Trump cult love this one..............

[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-wants-end-birthright-citizenship-executive-order-n926081?cid=par-xfinity_20181030[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1204431]trump tries to take credit for the economy yet it was Obama's and I get hell for saying it.



Unemployment rate by year,

2009- 9.9%
2010- 9.3%
2011- 8.5%
2012- 7.9%
2013- 6.7%
2014- 5.6%
2015- 5.0%
2016- 4.7%
2017- 4.1%
2018- 3.8%

Under Obama the unemployment rate fell from 9.9% to 4.7% (a decrease of 5.2%)
Under Trump the unemployment rate fell from 4.1% to 3.8% (a decrease of 0.3%)
[url]https://www.thebalance.com/unemploym...y-year-3305506[/url]
[url]https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000[/url]

In Obama's last 11 months in office 2.09 million jobs were added.
In the last 11 months while Trump was in office 1.84 million jobs were added.
Trump's first-year jobs record was strong. Just not as strong as Obama's last year - Jan. 5, 2018

Could you please explain how Obama stopped black Americans from getting jobs, and how Trump helped black Americans get jobs?



Obama passed the "Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP), the Neighborhood Stabilization Program, the Federal Housing Administration Refinance Programs and the Emergency Homeowner Relief Fund" all of which helped homeowners. And now Trump is abolishing all those programs.
[url]https://money.cnn.com/2011/02/25/new...help/index.htm[/url]

Trumps budget make drastic cuts to affordable housing programs that "help millions of low income seniors, people with disabilities, families with children, veterans, and other vulnerable people afford their homes." Trump wants to cut HUD by $8.8 billion dollars or 18.3-percent compared to 2017 levels.
[url]https://nlihc.org/article/president-...bruary-12-2018[/url]

And Trump has already transferred the above funding to the richest 1% of Americans via the Trump tax cuts.
[url]https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetno...nalysis-finds/[/url]

What has Trump done to help black Americans keep their homes?[/quote]

Your right. With Obama all that was bad was because of Bush all that was good was because of Obama. Now all that's good is because of Obama and all that's bad is because of Trump. You can't have it both ways. When Unemployment is 9.9 its has to come down. When its 4.7 its tougher to bring it down.

"What has Trump done to help black Americans keep their homes?"

Well black unemployment is at its lowest in the history of this country.

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[quote=Back2RFK;1205038]Your right. With Obama all that was bad was because of Bush all that was good was because of Obama. Now all that's good is because of Obama and all that's bad is because of Trump. You can't have it both ways. When Unemployment is 9.9 its has to come down. When its 4.7 its tougher to bring it down.

"What has Trump done to help black Americans keep their homes?"

Well black unemployment is at its lowest in the history of this country.[/quote]

Thanks Obama! Tougher??? You made me go here, ................look at what Obama walked into and then look what trump was left with . Thanks Obama.

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[quote=Giantone;1205076]Thanks Obama! Tougher??? You made me go here, ................look at what Obama walked into and then look what trump was left with . Thanks Obama.[/quote]

Just curious, can't we say thanks to Obama and acknowledge that he stabilized an economy that was in tatters, and still acknowledge that Trump has moved it from a recovery economy to a growth economy.

I can. I have in this thread said that Obama deserves props for setting a base growth and coming in when the economy was sour and riding out that wave.

I also have said that Trump and the Republicans have encouraged growth with pro-growth policies.

Neither of these are mutually exclusive, nor should they be.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1205082]Just curious, can't we say thanks to Obama and acknowledge that he stabilized an economy that was in tatters, and still acknowledge that Trump has moved it from a recovery economy to a growth economy.

I can. I have in this thread said that Obama deserves props for setting a base growth and coming in when the economy was sour and riding out that wave.

I also have said that Trump and the Republicans have encouraged growth with pro-growth policies.

Neither of these are mutually exclusive, nor should they be.[/quote]

We could if trump actually had policies other than dumping all of Obama's policies.Cutting restrictions and safe guards that where in place to save and take care of the American people for the "best interest of Corporations"is not a win policy for the country.

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[quote=Giantone;1205097]We could if trump actually had policies other than dumping all of Obama's policies.Cutting restrictions and safe guards that where in place to save and take care of the American people for the "best interest of Corporations"is not a win policy for the country.[/quote]

What safe guards has he cut that hurt employees?

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[quote=Giantone;1205097]We could if trump actually had policies other than dumping all of Obama's policies.Cutting restrictions and safe guards that where in place to save and take care of the American people for the "best interest of Corporations"is not a win policy for the country.[/quote]

You, and others of your hate trump club, need to find a way to accept that the about half the country feels different from you. (the same - when including sampling errors- as Pres Obama at the same period whose was 43% ).

[quote]
[url]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html[/url]
Poll Date Sample Approve Disapprove Spread
RCP Average 10/8 - 10/29 -- 44.0 52.6 -8.6
Reuters/Ipsos 10/17 - 10/23 2062 LV 46 52 -6
[/quote]

It's fine that you, and others, disagree with his platform, but it's abominable that you make it sound like it's anything other then simply policy disagreements.

People complain at Trump's speech, but he's often is reflecting back the disdain your club sends towards him.

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[quote=Giantone;1205033]I am sure the Trump cult love this one..............

[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-wants-end-birthright-citizenship-executive-order-n926081?cid=par-xfinity_20181030[/url][/quote]

So now being born here in the US isn't enough,..........and the trump train keeps on rolling over America!

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I will bring birthright discussion back here.

Here is a good link about it:
[url]https://www.history.com/news/birthright-citizenship-history-united-states[/url]

I have long been in favor of far more relaxed immigration rules. I doubt I agree with the hardline conservatives or Trump on it, as the Statue of Liberty's poem has always rang true to me.

That said, I don't think it's fair to equate better/fairer/laxer rules with the issue of illegal immigrants. and by extension it's different when talking of children born to people here illegally versus those who have gone through the legal paths of citizenship. Both my mom and ex-wife came here via military marriages, and I know how much paperwork, time and legalities there were to both of those situations, so I can only imagine what it's like to wait years legally from these countries only to have the numbers allotted cut because of people who came without following the law.

It really is the world equivalent of cutting in line in the cafeteria. The solutions are more complex than more line monitors, but its also not as simple as just tearing down the doors of the cafeteria and allowing mobs to have general admission in.

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[quote=Giantone;1205033]I am sure the Trump cult love this one..............

[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-wants-end-birthright-citizenship-executive-order-n926081?cid=par-xfinity_20181030[/url][/quote]

I have a huge problem with this. We are going to take a 14 year old that was born here, knows nothing but the United States and send them to a country that they have no identity. To me it is very amoral and not representative of what a country that considers itself a global leader should do.

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1205276]I will bring birthright discussion back here.

Here is a good link about it:
[url]https://www.history.com/news/birthright-citizenship-history-united-states[/url]

I have long been in favor of far more relaxed immigration rules. I doubt I agree with the hardline conservatives or Trump on it, as the Statue of Liberty's poem has always rang true to me.

That said, I don't think it's fair to equate better/fairer/laxer rules with the issue of illegal immigrants. and by extension it's different when talking of children born to people here illegally versus those who have gone through the legal paths of citizenship. Both my mom and ex-wife came here via military marriages, and I know how much paperwork, time and legalities there were to both of those situations, so I can only imagine what it's like to wait years legally from these countries only to have the numbers allotted cut because of people who came without following the law.

It really is the world equivalent of cutting in line in the cafeteria. The solutions are more complex than more line monitors, but its also not as simple as just tearing down the doors of the cafeteria and allowing mobs to have general admission in.[/quote]

My mother in law is also an immigrant and it is amazing how long she had to wait to be considered an American citizen. To me we clearly need immigration reform.

I know we will disagree philosophically with how to approach immigration to me I am fine going back to a time of open borders come to a border sign papers, pass a background check and quarantine and congratulations you are now a citizen. With that philosophy there would be no need to sneak across the border it would be easier to identify those that are criminals, we would be able to prevent the spread of emergent infectious diseases.

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1205288]My mother in law is also an immigrant and it is amazing how long she had to wait to be considered an American citizen. To me we clearly need immigration reform.

I know we will disagree philosophically with how to approach immigration to me I am fine going back to a time of open borders come to a border sign papers, pass a background check and quarantine and congratulations you are now a citizen. With that philosophy there would be no need to sneak across the border it would be easier to identify those that are criminals, we would be able to prevent the spread of emergent infectious diseases.[/quote]

I agree that we need to reform immigration, and I am closer to what you describe as the way it should be. I don't think we have ever had open borders, but truthfully the difference here is that there is a land connection to the border crossings. When coming by boat or across oceans, the journey had a self-limiting effect that immigration from the southern borders doesn't.

Still, we are a land of immigrants, and when properly enforced, we can be a land of immigrants again.

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I have never , ever wanted open boarders and have thought for a while we do need some sort of Legal Immigration reform and enforce the laws already in existence for illegal immigrants.

With all that said ,trumps policy of ripping family and children from their Mothers and kicking out legal citizens .....and lets not forget the the [B]"UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION says they are LEGAL"[/B] citizens is fucking nuts! Is there anyone that does not believe these south American countries have sent these people on purpose to fuck with trump and say screw you trump ? trumps ignorance is a cancer on this country.

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1205288]My mother in law is also an immigrant and it is amazing how long she had to wait to be considered an American citizen. To me we clearly need immigration reform.

I know we will disagree philosophically with how to approach immigration to me I am fine going back to a time of open borders come to a border sign papers, pass a background check and quarantine and congratulations you are now a citizen. With that philosophy there would be no need to sneak across the border it would be easier to identify those that are criminals, we would be able to prevent the spread of emergent infectious diseases.[/quote]

No way. Different world. Non starter and with globalization we would be a welfare state. No effing way ever

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[quote=Giantone;1205292]I have never , ever wanted open boarders and have thought for a while we do need some sort of Legal Immigration reform and enforce the laws already in existence for illegal immigrants.

With all that said ,trumps policy of ripping family and children from their Mothers and kicking out legal citizens .....and lets not forget the the [B]"UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION says they are LEGAL"[/B] citizens is fucking nuts! Is there anyone that does not believe these south American countries have sent these people on purpose to fuck with trump and say screw you trump . trumps ignorance is a cancer on this country.[/quote]

In that sense, I agree with the Statue of Liberty's give us your tired...

The problem with the southern border is that we have lost control of the process. That is a republican and democratic failing (you can tell that because both sides flip flop positions depending on who's in power at the moment)

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trump will never learn that words have consequences!


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-posts-pro-gop-ad-053924624.html[/url]

President Donald Trump tweeted a pro-GOP ad early Wednesday afternoon that’s being compared to George H.W. Bush’s racist “Willie Horton” ad from the 1988 election.

“It is outrageous what the Democrats are doing to our Country. Vote Republican now!” Trump tweeted alongside the video.

Beginning with the legend “illegal immigrant, Luis Bracamontes, killed our people!” the ad compares the caravan of Central American asylum seekers traveling to the U.S. that have made headlines in recent days to Bracamontes, an undocumented immigrant and drug dealer who was convicted of murder in February after being deported twice over the past 21 years. It cuts footage of Bracamontes with news clips of the caravan. Bracamontes, who killed two police officers in Sacramento, Calif. and was sentenced to death, states that he wishes he had killed more.

“Democrats let him in,” the ad reads. “Democrats let him stay.”

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1205294]In that sense, I agree with the Statue of Liberty's give us your tired...

The problem with the southern border is that we have lost control of the process. That is a republican and democratic failing (you can tell that because both sides flip flop positions depending on who's in power at the moment)[/quote]

The best border security in my mind are more stable economies and governments in the western hemisphere. Neither party really addresses that properly either.

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[quote=Giantone;1205297]trump will never learn that words have consequences!


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-posts-pro-gop-ad-053924624.html[/url]

President Donald Trump tweeted a pro-GOP ad early Wednesday afternoon that’s being compared to George H.W. Bush’s racist “Willie Horton” ad from the 1988 election.

“It is outrageous what the Democrats are doing to our Country. Vote Republican now!” Trump tweeted alongside the video.

Beginning with the legend “illegal immigrant, Luis Bracamontes, killed our people!” the ad compares the caravan of Central American asylum seekers traveling to the U.S. that have made headlines in recent days to Bracamontes, an undocumented immigrant and drug dealer who was convicted of murder in February after being deported twice over the past 21 years. It cuts footage of Bracamontes with news clips of the caravan. Bracamontes, who killed two police officers in Sacramento, Calif. and was sentenced to death, states that he wishes he had killed more.

“Democrats let him in,” the ad reads. “Democrats let him stay.”[/quote]

Words will only have consequences for him if the democrats can get their shit together. I am highly doubtful.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1205298]The best border security in my mind are more stable economies and governments in the western hemisphere. Neither party really addresses that properly either.[/quote]

That's the truth! :food-smil

I would rather people not feel forced (by economic or political conditions) to make a hazardous and inhuman trek - especially with children, then have them drawn to this country.

I also think that these people would work hard in their countries if given the conditions to succeed, but having the abled bodied flee their own countries doesn't help that situation.

And this is the quagmire of southern immigration, when the governments of free people are so corrupt/anarchistic so as to lead them into poverty, how do the wealthy nations of the world help. It's a dilemna no one has solved :(

For all the poverty assistance programs that we (1st world nations) have mounted, how many countries have really upgraded their conditions.

I will be the first to say I don't know the solution, I can only see the ways that our past efforts have failed :(

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Unfortunately some countries are going to need civil wars to see any drastic changes. We better stay out of that shit. I'm becoming a libertarian when it comes to wars, etc.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1205300]Words will only have consequences for him if the democrats can get their shit together. I am highly doubtful.[/quote]

LOL, yeah they might not win as much but I think there will be enough of a turn over to get in his way.

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trump and sticks and stones.............


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-stoking-caravan-fears-says-troops-will-fire-migrants-throw-rocks-003953495.html[/url]


President Trump said Thursday that he hopes the military troops being deployed to the United States’ southwestern border will not have to fire upon any migrants attempting to enter the country through Mexico, but warned that if any rocks are thrown from across the border “we will consider that a firearm.”

“They want to throw rocks at our military, our military fights back,” Trump said. “I say, consider it a rifle.”

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[quote=Giantone;1205322]LOL, yeah they might not win as much but I think there will be enough of a turn over to get in his way.[/quote]

I don't know if anyone else feels like making predictions, but here is mine.

The Republicans have a net gain in the Senate of 4 seats, giving them 55 total
The Democrats have a net gain of 28 seats in the House, giving 221 total.

This is my prediction, but also my preferred outcome. I firmly believe that a win of the house will give the democratic base a steam release valve. They will vote to impeach trump, that will die in the Senate. The house will hold hearings ad nauseam, and Trump will decry every one of them.

BUT

Trump will work with the House and Senate, and they will find compromise positions that won't get destroyed by the far right side of the aisle, and the far left side will be getting it's raw meat in the form of the impeachment hearings. My basis for this thought is that during the Kavanaugh hearings, even as the hard left/right bases were frothing at the mouth, several budget bills, and other bills passed with overwhelming bipartisan support. When one side has all the branches, the other side is forced into unwieldy opposition, and that is what we have seen several times in the past.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1205381]I don't know if anyone else feels like making predictions, but here is mine.

The Republicans have a net gain in the Senate of 4 seats, giving them 55 total
The Democrats have a net gain of 28 seats in the House, giving 221 total.

This is my prediction, but also my preferred outcome. I firmly believe that a win of the house will give the democratic base a steam release valve. They will vote to impeach trump, that will die in the Senate. The house will hold hearings ad nauseam, and Trump will decry every one of them.

BUT

Trump will work with the House and Senate, and they will find compromise positions that won't get destroyed by the far right side of the aisle, and the far left side will be getting it's raw meat in the form of the impeachment hearings. My basis for this thought is that during the Kavanaugh hearings, even as the hard left/right bases were frothing at the mouth, several budget bills, and other bills passed with overwhelming bipartisan support. When one side has all the branches, the other side is forced into unwieldy opposition, and that is what we have seen several times in the past.[/quote]

I think right on ,on the Senate but I think you giving to much to the Dems in Congress.I think at best they gain 12-15 seats . The trump terror tour is working on mid America.

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[quote=Giantone;1205385]I think right on ,on the Senate but I think you giving to much to the Dems in Congress.I think at best they gain 12-15 seats . The trump terror tour is working on mid America.[/quote]

a 12 - 15 seat gain for the dems would be the worst of both worlds.

the house would virtually die in committees and in fighting. Likely the right wing of the Republicans would take leadership, and the moderates would side with the dems to block everything.

Normally I am ok with stalemated government, but I believe - like the daca for the wall proposal - Trump would find a way to negotiate with the house under pelosi, or any other democrat, and the republican senate would make sure - from my perspective - that the bills don't get too skewed towards the socialist wing of the democratic party.

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

You have to admit this was good...............


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZZqlQ7vIe8&feature=youtu.be[/url]

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1205381]I don't know if anyone else feels like making predictions, but here is mine.

The Republicans have a net gain in the Senate of 4 seats, giving them 55 total
The Democrats have a net gain of 28 seats in the House, giving 221 total.
...[/quote]

I was pretty close. We won't know what the final counts are for a while, but it looks +4 and +28 is about right.

The House may gain a few more, but 55 seems dead on for the Senate. The other difference on the 55 is that there is no Flake, Corker, or McCain. There is only 1 maybe 2 non-Trump Republican senators. That means there won't be a thumbs down moment for bills the republicans agree to with the Democratic house. That's why I am really hopeful we will finally see meaningful, passable healthcare reform that is bipartisan.

I hope.

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

The end is near and they are closing in.............


[url]https://view.yahoo.com/show/deadline-white-house/clip/61232819/as-mueller-closes-in-prominent-right-wing[/url]

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I know some of you served in the Military ,this should piss you off!


[url]https://www.vox.com/2018/11/18/18101352/trump-insults-bill-mcraven-pattern-disrespecting-veterans[/url]


[url]https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2018/11/18/donald-trump-adam-schiff-william-mcraven-constitution/2052615002/[/url]


President Donald Trump took the opportunity on Sunday to insult the Navy SEAL commander who led the deadly assault on Osama bin Laden, along with the likely chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and, sadly, the U.S. Constitution.

During a television interview Trump attacked retired Adm. William H. McRaven, a man currently battling cancer, because McRaven has been critical of some of the things Trump has said, like calling journalists “the enemy of the people.”

Also, after Trump revoked the security clearance of former CIA director John Brennan, McRaven wrote an essay calling him “one of the finest public servants” he’d ever known and telling Trump that he “would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance as well, so I can add my name to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency.”

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

vox...lolol.

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[quote=Chico23231;1208271]


double post.

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[quote=Chico23231;1208271]vox...lolol.[/quote]

So trump didn't say this ?


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5D6z0VSpEc[/url]


[IMG]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5D6z0VSpEc[/IMG]



Chico you bias is showing.

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[quote=Giantone;1208268]I know some of you served in the Military ,this should piss you off!


[url]https://www.vox.com/2018/11/18/18101352/trump-insults-bill-mcraven-pattern-disrespecting-veterans[/url]


[url]https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2018/11/18/donald-trump-adam-schiff-william-mcraven-constitution/2052615002/[/url]


President Donald Trump took the opportunity on Sunday to insult the Navy SEAL commander who led the deadly assault on Osama bin Laden, along with the likely chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and, sadly, the U.S. Constitution.

During a television interview Trump attacked retired Adm. William H. McRaven, a man currently battling cancer, because McRaven has been critical of some of the things Trump has said, like calling journalists “the enemy of the people.”

Also, after Trump revoked the security clearance of former CIA director John Brennan, McRaven wrote an essay calling him “one of the finest public servants” he’d ever known and telling Trump that he “would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance as well, so I can add my name to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency.”[/quote]

The people in the military I know love Trump and when I spent the day at the Pentagon this past summer no one seems to have like the previous administration.

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[quote=Back2RFK;1208364]The people in the military I know love Trump and when I spent the day at the Pentagon this past summer no one seems to have like the previous administration.[/quote]


Sorry my experience is different, the Military can't stand trump. Why? Because he isn't worth the headache or aggravation opposing him brings .They go around him and many ,many respected Obama.

McRaven spoke out ,look what happen?

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[QUOTE=Giantone;1208268]I know some of you served in the Military ,this should piss you off!





[url]https://www.vox.com/2018/11/18/18101352/trump-insults-bill-mcraven-pattern-disrespecting-veterans[/url]





[url]https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2018/11/18/donald-trump-adam-schiff-william-mcraven-constitution/2052615002/[/url]





President Donald Trump took the opportunity on Sunday to insult the Navy SEAL commander who led the deadly assault on Osama bin Laden, along with the likely chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and, sadly, the U.S. Constitution.



During a television interview Trump attacked retired Adm. William H. McRaven, a man currently battling cancer, because McRaven has been critical of some of the things Trump has said, like calling journalists “the enemy of the people.”



Also, after Trump revoked the security clearance of former CIA director John Brennan, McRaven wrote an essay calling him “one of the finest public servants” he’d ever known and telling Trump that he “would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance as well, so I can add my name to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency.”[/QUOTE]


Trump could literally piss on every member of the military and his supporters wouldn’t care, it’s not his first attack on them and certainly won’t be the last. The guy is such a bag of dicks

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oh hey remember Hillary's little email problem?

[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ivanka-trump-used-a-personal-email-account-to-send-hundreds-of-emails-about-government-business-last-year/2018/11/19/6515d1e0-e7a1-11e8-a939-9469f1166f9d_story.html?utm_term=.1ed338cd06ba"]Ivanka Trump used a personal email account to send hundreds of emails about government business last year[/URL]

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[quote=mtk;1208556]oh hey remember hillary's little email problem?

[url="https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ivanka-trump-used-a-personal-email-account-to-send-hundreds-of-emails-about-government-business-last-year/2018/11/19/6515d1e0-e7a1-11e8-a939-9469f1166f9d_story.html?utm_term=.1ed338cd06ba"]ivanka trump used a personal email account to send hundreds of emails about government business last year[/url][/quote]
[b]lock her up , lock her up !!!!!!!!!!![/b]:d