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Bruce could have had a 1st and more more from Houston, now we’re happy to get a second from the browns. BA AGAIN PROVING why he is the absolute WORST GM in the nfl!

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We should also be trying to trade others FOR DRAFT PICKS, who will leave next season or are past their prime:

Norman
Richardson
Alex Smith (if he ever plays again)
Jordan Reed ( “. “. “)
Kerrington
Scherff
Moses

Give the new HC Something to work with in the draft. Also give the new HC FULL CONTROL OF THE GM position. BA moves to nominal control of stadium replacement - ONLY!!



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[quote=Warthog;1234473]We should also be trying to trade others FOR DRAFT PICKS, who will leave next season or are past their prime:

Norman
Richardson
Alex Smith (if he ever plays again)
Jordan Reed ( “. “. “)
Kerrington
Scherff
Moses

Give the new HC Something to work with in the draft. Also give the new HC FULL CONTROL OF THE GM position. BA moves to nominal control of stadium replacement - ONLY!!



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You smoking something? You keep Scherff, the others on the list can go now.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1234475]You smoking something? You keep Scherff, the others on the list can go now.[/QUOTE]It'll have to be with a tag.

If you were Schreff, why would you sign here?

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Scherff is not going to resign for the redskins. He’s not in negotiations anymore. Why stay? The Redskins offered him a modest pay increase contract. Scherff can go elsewhere and:

1. Get a bigger contract
2. Play for potentially winning team
3. Play for a team that is better coached, better managed and has far less chaos and more stability.

of course the redskins can franchise tag him but the result will still be the same as Cousins. No I’m not smoking anything, but it’s time to face facts regarding Scherff. He will not be a redskins next year. Except for Kerrigan the redskins have a poor record for retaining their best players. Call it the “Bruce Allen effect”. Lol


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"Here's what I'd say on Redskins OT Trent Williams' trade value -- asking price isn't high, because there really hasn't been an asking price. Teams I've spoken with that inquired have been stonewalled, told he's not available.

Maybe that changes over the next 13 days. We'll see."

Ben Albright NFLN

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[QUOTE=Warthog;1234480]Scherff is not going to resign for the redskins. He’s not in negotiations anymore. Why stay? The Redskins offered him a modest pay increase contract. Scherff can go elsewhere and:

1. Get a bigger contract
2. Play for potentially winning team
3. Play for a team that is better coached, better managed and has far less chaos and more stability.

of course the redskins can franchise tag him but the result will still be the same as Cousins. No I’m not smoking anything, but it’s time to face facts regarding Scherff. He will not be a redskins next year. Except for Kerrigan the redskins have a poor record for retaining their best players. Call it the “Bruce Allen effect”. Lol


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Scherrf isn't t in negotiations because the CBA expires and his agent thinks the OL values are going to be better in the next one. There was an article awhile ago that said as much. I imagine googling scherff cba would find it.

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[quote=Warthog;1234480]Scherff is not going to resign for the redskins. He’s not in negotiations anymore. Why stay? The Redskins offered him a modest pay increase contract. Scherff can go elsewhere and:

1. Get a bigger contract
2. Play for potentially winning team
3. Play for a team that is better coached, better managed and has far less chaos and more stability.

of course the redskins can franchise tag him but the result will still be the same as Cousins. No I’m not smoking anything, but it’s time to face facts regarding Scherff. He will not be a redskins next year. Except for Kerrigan the redskins have a poor record for retaining their best players. Call it the “Bruce Allen effect”. Lol


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Agreed. We have to stop assuming that good players drafted by the redskins actually want to be here.

If I were Scherff, or any other player on his rookie contract worth anything, I would do my job, serve my time, and work towards free agency. If the skins want to compete with the open market and pay me more than anyone else - sure, I'd consider staying. But money being even, I'd go just about anywhere else. And if the money is actually better elsewhere, why on earth would I want to stay here?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1234441]My contact at the gas station said pump the breaks. This ain't happening.[/quote]

Becareful that might flood the engine

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1234436]Keim didn't say the rumors weren't true. He talked to "people at the redskins" who said "not to their knowledge."

Shanahan didn't know about the RG3 trade until it happened.
Doug Williams and Jay Gruden didn't know about the Alex Smith trade until it happened.
Doug Williams and Jay Gruden didn't know about the Kenum trade until it happened.

"People at the redskins" don't know about trades until they happen.

This is how Bruce operates.[/quote]

Do you mean McNabb? Shanny was well aware they were going for RG3

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1234493]Do you mean McNabb? Shanny was well aware they were going for RG3[/quote]

Yeah, i think i may have gotten those mixed up. Bruce has definitely become more "autonomous" over time.

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[quote=mooby;1234460]for who, Trey Quinn?

Rams ain't got jack shit we want after giving up 2 firsts for Ramsey.[/quote]

I really couldn't believe that. Thought that was a steep price for a CB. I guess we will see how good McVay really is in a few years with no draft capital and five players with roughly $110 million in cap space

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1234494]Yeah, i think i may have gotten those mixed up. [B]Bruce has definitely become more "autonomous" over time.[/B][/quote]

Q: What more important than winning?

A: Bruce Allen gaining more power at Redskins Park.

I can hardly believe that Smithers could or would ever have the gall to order Doug Williams to not even pick up the phone and talk about a possible trade.

According to Mike Shanahan, the only position Snyder cares about is QB, so he's probably not involved. Besides, he has fabrics to pick out for the grand salon of his yacht.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1234498]Q: What more important than winning?

A: Bruce Allen gaining more power at Redskins Park.

I can hardly believe that Smithers could or would ever have the gall to order Doug Williams to not even pick up the phone and talk about a possible trade.

According to Mike Shanahan, the only position Snyder cares about is QB, so he's probably not involved. Besides, he has fabrics to pick out for the grand salon of his yacht.[/quote]

Its not Doug William's job to discuss trades and never has been. Doug is nothing more than a glorified scout.. That's his primary job. He's also the schlub that Bruce trots out to talk to the media when he doesn't feel like taking the heat after Bruce does something unpopular. But Doug has no real power, never has, and quote honestly, probably shouldn't. He's never demonstrated a hint that he's qualified for a true GM role. And to be honest, neither has anyone else currently in the redskins organization.

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It's sad that there is so little football being discussed at this point in the season.

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Was really hoping to wake up to trade news. Don't fuck this up Bruce you POS.

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Adrian Peterson on XM Radio "I still think we can get Trent back here and play again"

He's close with him so I wonder if Trent has told AD something all along

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So John Dorsey got the whole room buzzing on his exit line regarding about trading for Trent Williams: "Takes two to tango."

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1234515]So John Dorsey got the whole room buzzing on his exit line regarding about trading for Trent Williams: "Takes two to tango."[/quote]

I'm guessing Dorsey has made multiple offers to Allen, but Allen's told him to pound sand.

So yesterday, the Browns leaked their incredibly generous offer of a first round pick (plus a player) to the media last night to put pressure on Allen to take the deal.

I mean, turning down the Patriots offer is somewhat understandable. But the Browns first, plus Njoku?! That's insane! Only a fool would turn that down.

Redskins fans already hate Bruce Allen - it will only get worse if they know he turned down such an incredible offer simply because Allen - once again - let his pride and stupidity got in the way of his doing the right thing for the organization.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1234513]Adrian Peterson on XM Radio "I still think we can get Trent back here and play again"

He's close with him so I wonder if Trent has told AD something all along[/quote]

I wonder whether Trent is thinking that he would come back if Allen is no longer around. Anyone up for THAT trade? Yeah, me too.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1234518]I'm guessing Dorsey has made multiple offers to Allen, but Allen's told him to pound sand.

So yesterday, the Browns leaked their incredibly generous offer of a first round pick (plus a player) to the media last night to put pressure on Allen to take the deal.

I mean, turning down the Patriots offer is somewhat understandable. But the Browns first, plus Njoku?! That's insane! Only a fool would turn that down.

Redskins fans already hate Bruce Allen - it will only get worse if they know he turned down such an incredible offer simply because Allen - once again - let his pride and stupidity got in the way of his doing the right thing for the organization.[/quote]

Njoku is as injured as Reed , dude is made of glass. I would take a 1 alone but Bruce really seems hellbent on trading Trent, maybe Dan has told him NO

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Yeah I don't want another injured TE. Give me picks for Trent, a 1st and a 2nd. Or a 1st, 3rd and 5th. Something alone those lines.

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This fucking franchise ... trade Trent and move on. The inability to concede or admit isnt always a sign of "weakness". This is playing out just like Kirk Cousins.

Bruce says player A is not going anywhere and he has the situation under control.

Bruce then spends the next year plus doing absolutely nothing to address the situation. No negotiating with player's agent, no counter offers to trade offers ... he does nothing.

If the Browns made a competitive offer and Bruce didnt make a counter offer ... why isnt he on the phone trying to get Trent back as a Redskins.

Not even frustrated anymore ... Im not even a redskins fan if I think about it. Im becoming a fan of football. I watch SNF and MNF if its a good match up.

This is going to sound very elitest of me but ive noticed the people still wearing their skins gear around town are people who seem to have very little going for them. Over weight, standing at bus stops, walking along a roadway, not working during the work week etc ... rocking starter jackets and wind breakers.

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The browns are desperate right now, they NEED Trent big time, I would just take their 1 and move on. It'll b a top 20 pick

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Njoku played all 16 games his first two seasons. Dinged up this year, but I am not sure that he is deserving of a "glass" designation. Last year, was > 55 catches and > 500 yards and 4 TDs. Far better production that we've been getting at that position.

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[quote=SunnySide;1234525]This fucking franchise ... trade Trent and move on. The inability to concede or admit isnt always a sign of "weakness". This is playing out just like Kirk Cousins.

Bruce says player A is not going anywhere and he has the situation under control.

Bruce then spends the next year plus doing absolutely nothing to address the situation. No negotiating with player's agent, no counter offers to trade offers ... he does nothing.

If the Browns made a competitive offer and Bruce didnt make a counter offer ... why isnt he on the phone trying to get Trent back as a Redskins.

Not even frustrated anymore ... Im not even a redskins fan if I think about it. Im becoming a fan of football. I watch SNF and MNF if its a good match up.

[B]This is going to sound very elitest of me but ive noticed the people still wearing their skins gear around town are people who seem to have very little going for them. Over weight, standing at bus stops, walking along a roadway, not working during the work week etc ... rocking starter jackets and wind breakers.[/quote][/B]

WTF? How do you see them walking along the roadway during the work week? Are you not at work yourself?

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#Browns Dorsey at the podium: 'Nobody in the organization is happy about 2-4. There's a lot of football to be played here. We have 10 games left.'— Mary Kay Cabot (@MaryKayCabot) October 16, 2019

#Browns John Dorsey on LT Greg Robinson: "I would like Greg to be more consistent''— Mary Kay Cabot (@MaryKayCabot) October 16, 2019

#Browns GM John Dorsey on RT Chris Hubbard: "I like Chris. I would challenge him to be a little more consistent."— Keith Britton (@KeithBritton86) October 16, 2019

#Browns GM John Dorsey on exploring O-line trade market: We'll do our research, make a million phone calls, do what's best for organization— Nate Ulrich (@ByNateUlrich) October 16, 2019

#Browns Dorsey alluded to when he was with the Chiefs in 2015, they started 1-5 and won their last 10 games to finish 11-5.— Fred Greetham (@FredGreetham) October 16, 2019

#Browns GM John Dorsey on if he has other moves he can make to improve offensive line: "Yeah, but that's coming down the road."— Keith Britton (@KeithBritton86) October 16, 2019

#Browns Dorsey said he's had a few conversations with Redskins GM Bruce Allen.— Fred Greetham (@FredGreetham) October 16, 2019

Q: Have you spoken to Bruce Allen lately?

Dorsey: We've had a few conversations.— Zac Jackson (@AkronJackson) October 16, 2019

So John Dorsey got the whole room buzzing on his exit line regarding about trading for Trent Williams: "Takes two to tango."— Tony Grossi (@TonyGrossi) October 16, 2019

This is the nut quote from John Dorsey, IMO, throwing down gauntlet to coaches: Everybody in the bldg. has to understand it’s one of those moments where you have to reflect, pay attention to detail, and move this thing forward with a sense of urgency.— Tony Grossi (@TonyGrossi) October 16, 2019

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1. What the hell is a GM of an NFL team doing making himself available for questions and accountable to the public? The nerve of this dude. I demand he only do 10 min press conferences every 4 years after he fires a coach. And even then, only give canned general cliche answers of no real substance.

2. Dorsey seems motivated like the Rams. He seems to be "all in" talking about Chiefs coming from a 1-5 start, also I think he talked about the division being winnable.

[IMG]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0JFXICqWsCI/hqdefault.jpg[/IMG]

Pick up the phone Bruce.

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[quote=MTK;1234524]Yeah I don't want another injured TE. Give me picks for Trent, a 1st and a 2nd. Or a 1st, 3rd and 5th. Something alone those lines.[/quote]

Yup, just give me the picks

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[quote=MTK;1234524]Yeah I don't want another injured TE. Give me picks for Trent, a 1st and a 2nd. Or a 1st, 3rd and 5th. Something alone those lines.[/quote]

I would keep an eye on the Patriots and Bennett ,they could use Trent.

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[quote=Chico23231;1234444]Browns are fucking retards if they move obj.[/quote]

LOL, why,he's starting the same shit there he did in NY . He has always wanted the west cost ,it's why the Giants sent him to Cleveland. I always said there weren't enough footballs to go around in Cleveland to make everyone happy.

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[QUOTE=SkinzzFan;1234528][/B]



WTF? How do you see them walking along the roadway during the work week? Are you not at work yourself?[/QUOTE]



Lol

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[url]https://sports.yahoo.com/browns-gm-hints-hes-discussed-trent-williams-redskins-183058610--nfl.html[/url]

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It's pretty pathetic that Bruce Allen would rather try to win in a fight against Trent Williams than try to trade him for the most he can get so we can put this franchise on a better path. It's literally a prime example of why we will never attract premium NFL talent to lead this franchise.

Edit: Here's to you Bruce.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/1yvtFPF.jpg[/img]

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[quote=mooby;1234554]It's pretty pathetic that Bruce Allen would rather try to win in a fight against Trent Williams than try to trade him for the most he can get so we can put this franchise on a better path. It's literally a prime example of why we will never attract premium NFL talent to lead this franchise.

Edit: Here's to you Bruce.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/1yvtFPF.jpg[/img][/quote]

Bruce has already won because Trent is never going to play another down as a Redskin, maybe not even in the NFL. Bruce is the kind of guy who has probably told Trent that they are never trading him no matter what, so his only option is to come back and play here. Trent i would think would lose a lot of cred for Bruce making him his bitch.

There was talk on twitter from some of the guys i follow of Trent possibly retiring due to the whole thing, how does that work, would we owe him anything additionally beyond what we already paid him?

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The biggest question is what is Bruce’s end game? Keeping him to prove a point is simply and play 5 meaningless games is silly. And have him play out his 1 year left?


The only real reason Bruce would want to keep him is for an extension...that’s the only thing I would imagine we would be turning down offers

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So if OJ Howard is available, that’s really the only player I would move him for.

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Dorsey of the Browns has confirmed that he talked w/ Allen about Trent and was turned down. What the hell is going on over there? It's totally personal at this point. The Browns are 2-4 and that could be a top 10 pick. I just don't get this organization and their fucking pettiness. If these losers had any brains and put their egos aside, they'd say give me your 1st and Calloway. That way you have another potential young stud wr and two top 10 picks in the first round. I don't understand them at all.

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[quote=Chico23231;1234565]So if OJ Howard is available, that’s really the only player I would move him for.[/quote]

Yeah he's been a disappointment though

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1234618]Yeah he's been a disappointment though[/quote]

Yeah but I don't think it's 100% on him. Arians don't have great history with TEs in general, he doesn't utilize them as receiver that much..

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Chico23231;1234562]The biggest question is what is Bruce’s end game? Keeping him to prove a point is simply and play 5 meaningless games is silly. And have him play out his 1 year left?


The only real reason Bruce would want to keep him is for an extension...that’s the only thing I would imagine we would be turning down offers[/quote]

While the FO and Bruce are not trustworthy, part of me does not want the team to settle for a low offer for Trent.

As Andrew Brandt famously says, "deadlines spur action" if you are holding out for the best offer this season, it would have to be on the trade deadline by October 29th.

After the deadline, the biggest turning point will be whether Trent shows up on Week 10 to accrue this season in his contract. If he doesn't show up, his trade value will go up, since he will still be on contract for two seasons. While I assume any team that's willing to trade with him, will need to re-negotiate a contract with him, I believe his current contract becomes a baseline for any negotiations.

Finally, the team doesn't have a 2nd round pick in 2020, so Trent could become part of any offseason trade to acquire more picks (and hopefully not to trade those picks for Mike Tomlin).

One thing that I do not know is what happens to Trent's $11 mil salary for this season. If he doesn't show up at all, will that be cap carry over for next season? If so, that'd be a plus.