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Gets interesting at the :54 when RR starts coaching. Such a difference from our last head coach. He works with Timmy Settle a little. Teaching "Team Defence".

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_hy9Xm6esE"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_hy9Xm6esE[/URL]

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[quote=GridIron26;1284697]I would be surprised if we don't resign Thomas[/quote]

Who knows. We scuttled Moses quick. If we spend a 2nd round pick on a TE, we might have that rookie, Bates, Reyes. I think it ultimately depends on cost. Suppose Thomas has monster year, do we pay him $8M? I like him, but he's 30 then and even with low mileage. . .

I still like approach of getting younger and not paying big deals to guys tail end of prime. At $4M-$5M he makes a lot more sense. Who knows.

At his best, is Thomas an elite TE or just a very good TE? The offense should make everyone else look better this year.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1284701]Thomas, Allen, Settle...would be nice to lock them all up.

At least 60% of the most likely starting O-line will be FAs next year too, so might want to think about trying to do something there as well.[/quote]

The problem, of course, is we can't afford to lock everyone up.
Good teams that draft well and are smart in FA have that problem.
I think Allen obviously tops the list.
I like Thomas, but I also think you can draft a guy as talented day 2.
I like the ruthless mindset of our FO, making the hard decisions, while still being honest with players and respectful.

I think next year our OL could feature Cosmi,Charles,Roullier, and perhaps Scherff or Flowers. Ideally Cosmi LT, Charles RT, Roullier C, and then hopefully we draft some Gs. Simply can't spend $30M at G and win in today's NFL. I wouldn't be suprised if next 2 drafts heavy OL as we rebuild OL like DL.

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We have zero doubts on this Terry. [url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/terry-mclaurin-says-chemistry-confidence-there-ryan-fitzpatrick-already[/url]

Looking forward to some fireworks,

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1284701]Thomas, Allen, Settle...would be nice to lock them all up.

At least 60% of the most likely starting O-line will be FAs next year too, so might want to think about trying to do something there as well.[/quote]

I wish the NFL would come up w/ a rule that you can go over the cap when re-signing your own guys.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1284744]I wish the NFL would come up w/ a rule that you can go over the cap when re-signing your own guys.[/quote]

But how would it work ? Because you likely would have signed new guys in the same season, so who decides if it was the new additions or the re-signings that made you go over the cap ?

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1284746]But how would it work ? Because you likely would have signed new guys in the same season, so who decides if it was the new additions or the re-signings that made you go over the cap ?[/quote]

They could apply a limit on the cap hit of signing your own guys, say only 75% of the full value applies to the cap, but they won't do that.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1284748]They could apply a limit on the cap hit of signing your own guys, say only 75% of the full value applies to the cap, but they won't do that.[/quote]

Oh yeah, way smarter than me on this one. I'd be curious to what would be the down side of that.
I guess the NFLPA would approve, as it would effectively be a big cap space booster. But yeah, I don't see why the owners would want that...

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[quote=skinsfan69;1284744]I wish the NFL would come up w/ a rule that you can go over the cap when re-signing your own guys.[/quote]

I think NBA has something like that. Smaller teams though and a stronger union.

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It probably comes back to the old parity argument, if you can keep a team together for 5-10 years you go back to the old dynasties and the fact that bad teams may take longer to turn around which the NFL does not want

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Some fun data to look at especially for Fitz, Terry and Samuels. The analysis is a no brainer (more big plays a team has the more points they score). Also illustrates the need to tighten up safety positions.

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/6/6/22418526/bombs-away-washingtons-offense-appears-poised-for-explosion-in-2021[/url]

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This is the worst football time of the year.

At least before the draft I can do hundreds of mock drafts for football fix.

Draft is over and now it's just sitting with my thumb up my ass counting down until week 1.

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Good look at our safeties:

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/6/7/22522629/a-review-of-washingtons-seven-safeties-ahead-of-minicamp[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1284761]This is the worst football time of the year.

At least before the draft I can do hundreds of mock drafts for football fix.

Draft is over and now it's just sitting with my thumb up my ass counting down until week 1.[/quote]

There's always Madden;):D

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So are we going to trot Collins back out there? Is he even tradable? Allen deserves a kick in the nuts for that terrible signing.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1284773]So are we going to trot Collins back out there? Is he even tradable? Allen deserves a kick in the nuts for that terrible signing.[/quote]

Not tradeable, not cuttable either..... from the perspective of you could do either but would get zero cap space or picks in return so you may as well keep him... look on the brightside, at least he can play a bit and they seem to like him, not like he is AH

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I am guessing Curl starts the season due to Collins injury if Curl continues to play the way he did no reason to rush back Collins. I don't think Collins played horrible but definitely not playing to contract value but that is on Allen not him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1284773]So are we going to trot Collins back out there? Is he even tradable? Allen deserves a kick in the nuts for that terrible signing.[/quote]

Last season rendered Collins as expendable. No one ever said after he went down that “man, if we only had Collins back”

In fact, play in the back line was stronger.

2 players I can’t wait to cut: Collins and Apke.

I really hope Reaves gets a fair shot at free safety…like to see him and the new pick up from Miami really battle it out

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Remember when a high profile player missing voluntary activities would have lead to wide spread speculation of discord on the team? It wasn't even a topic of conversation here. #thecultureisactuallyprettydamngood

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/6/8/22523808/after-missing-voluntary-otas-chase-young-says-hes-suited-and-booted-and-ready-to-play[/url]

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Nice [URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/terry-mclaurin-trained-ex-seahawks-wr-doug-baldwin-offseason"]nugget[/URL] on McLaurin's offseason workouts. I love reading stuff about McLaurin - his intelligence and work ethics are amazing.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1284773]So are we going to trot Collins back out there? Is he even tradable? Allen deserves a kick in the nuts for that terrible signing.[/quote]

And the whole thing with S.T.'s jersey and Danny was sickening. God bless.

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Just listened to Keim's pod. He was really talking up the versatility of the Oline and how the position Flex made the group really deep.

He mentioned Charles and the coach's being impressed with his power.

Honestly, I was unsure about cutting Moses when it first happened but a straight shooter like Keith talking them up definitely puts the situation in perspective.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1284786]Remember when a high profile player missing voluntary activities would have lead to wide spread speculation of discord on the team? It wasn't even a topic of conversation here. #thecultureisactuallyprettydamngood

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/6/8/22523808/after-missing-voluntary-otas-chase-young-says-hes-suited-and-booted-and-ready-to-play[/url][/quote]

No drama is definitely a sign of the change of perception of this team.

But if I'm completely honest, while I'm aware Chase Young missing OTA will have absolutely zero impact on his performance, and won't change the team's results either, I would have preferred my team captain, face of the franchise to some extent, and high praised leader to [I]not[/I] be the only player of the entire roster who didn't show up for any OTA days.

Not trying to make a story out of it, but as a captain and leader, him being there, rather than not there, would have been better.

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[url]https://richmond.com/sports/professional/ron-rivera-brings-in-vaccine-expert-to-talk-to-washington-players-at-least-one-says/article_92607f1b-56b3-5498-94c1-4116fc389b20.html?mode=comments[/url]

Wow…I read an article last week where I swore the commissioner or the office of nfl said something like at least 70% of staffs and players were vaccinated.

The Skins players aren’t even 50% vaccinated…!!! Wow lil shocked. Not trying to make this political…strictly looking at this from a medical and nfl process/procedural views. Montez Sweat is a no way he is getting it.

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I'd guess most teams are in the same boat with vaccinations. We're talking about young athletes who already think they are invincible, couple that with vaccine hesitancy in the black community and I think getting to herd immunity in the NFL among the players is a long shot.

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[quote=Chico23231;1284861][url]https://richmond.com/sports/professional/ron-rivera-brings-in-vaccine-expert-to-talk-to-washington-players-at-least-one-says/article_92607f1b-56b3-5498-94c1-4116fc389b20.html?mode=comments[/url]

Wow…I read an article last week where I swore the commissioner or the office of nfl said something like at least 70% of staffs and players were vaccinated.

The Skins players aren’t even 50% vaccinated…!!! Wow lil shocked. Not trying to make this political…strictly looking at this from a medical and nfl process/procedural views. Montez Sweat is a no way he is getting it.[/quote]

I can’t say as I blame him. I’m retired Army and there were several times in my career where it was “you’re getting this shot, don’t worry about what it is it will be in your shot record”…and it’s not there and I don’t know what it was. Considering the politics around this virus, I haven’t and won’t get the shot either. Oh and every person I know including my wife and son have had side effects.

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Problem is Sweat's reasoning is off for not getting it.

[QUOTE]"I'm not a fan of it," Sweat said. "I probably won't get vaccinated until we get more facts and that type of stuff, but I'm not a fan of it at all. I haven't caught COVID yet, so I don't see me treating COVID until I actually get COVID[/QUOTE]

The vaccine is about preventing serious illness, it's not a treatment. If he wants facts plenty are out there from reliable sources if he wants them, including the expert the team brought in. Sorry but he just comes off ignorant AF here.

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[URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/notes-washingtons-second-minicamp-benjamin-st-juste-wednesdays-star"]Notes from WFT's second minicamp: Benjamin St-Juste stars[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1284867][URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/notes-washingtons-second-minicamp-benjamin-st-juste-wednesdays-star"]Notes from WFT's second minicamp: Benjamin St-Juste stars[/URL][/quote]

Really hope he can start. That gives us so much flexibility with Fuller and will greatly improve the defense.

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[quote=MTK;1284866]Problem is Sweat's reasoning is off for not getting it.



The vaccine is about preventing serious illness, it's not a treatment. If he wants facts plenty are out there from reliable sources if he wants them, including the expert the team brought in. Sorry but he just comes off ignorant AF here.[/quote]

I guess "My body, my choice" isn't a thing anymore.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1284869]I guess "My body, my choice" isn't a thing anymore.[/quote]

It's his choice, just saying his reasoning is poor.

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At some point, people have had enough opportunity to get the vaccine if they want it.

Those who are vaccinated should feel safe -- they've been vaccinated.

Those who aren't vaccinated, can't bitch if they get the virus. They've had plenty of opportunities to get it.

99.5% of people under the age of 70 have recovered after getting the virus. A percentage that is higher than seasonal flu. If you want to run the risk you are in the 0.5%, well that's on you.

It's time to move the fuck on.

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I'm sure everyone would love to move the F on. The more people that vax up the quicker it will happen too. But the reality is a positive test in the locker room can wreak havoc on your lineup and cost you games. This team did an outstanding job navigating through the covid mess last year and I hope that continues. All it takes is one mistake though. Yes it's Sweat's and other players choice not to vax, but that decision can have a big effect on the entire team.

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[quote=MTK;1284873]I'm sure everyone would love to move the F on. The more people that vax up the quicker it will happen too. But the reality is a positive test in the locker room can wreak havoc on your lineup and cost you games. This team did an outstanding job navigating through the covid mess last year and I hope that continues. All it takes is one mistake though. Yes it's Sweat's and other players choice not to vax, but that decision can have a big effect on the entire team.[/quote]

This…that’s my problem. I’m really shocked less than half the locker room isn’t big vaxy yet. Seriously could cause problems

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[quote=MTK;1284870]It's his choice, just saying his reasoning is poor.[/quote]

What's his reasoning?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1284885]What's his reasoning?[/quote]

Doesn't trust the science is what it looks like.

I disagree with his stance here, especially in light of less than half the team getting the vaccine.

They did a great job of staying off the covid list last year, it would be a shame if it bit us in the ass this year because half the team doesn't give a shit.

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[quote=mooby;1284886]Doesn't trust the science is what it looks like.

I disagree with his stance here, especially in light of less than half the team getting the vaccine.

They did a great job of staying off the covid list last year, it would be a shame if it bit us in the ass this year because half the team doesn't give a shit.[/quote]

Is there a link or quote?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1284887]Is there a link or quote?[/quote]

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31599454/montez-sweat-not-fan-covid-19-vaccine-washington-football-team-bringing-expert-address-players[/url]

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1284865]I can’t say as I blame him. I’m retired Army and there were several times in my career where it was “you’re getting this shot, don’t worry about what it is it will be in your shot record”…and it’s not there and I don’t know what it was. Considering the politics around this virus, I haven’t and won’t get the shot either. Oh and every person I know including my wife and son have had side effects.[/quote]

+1

I don't have any immediate plans on getting the shot either. I had Covid (March of 2020), and came away with only 3 days of losing my ability to taste and smell, along with a dry cough for a 1 1/2 to 2 weeks. I know there are many others whose situation was much different and dire, but I'm just putting my situation out there. I've also never taken a flu vaccination and has NEVER had the flu, and I'm 48 years old.

I, too, know a guy who took the "jab" and has dealt with severe fatigue (while occasionally dealing with being in a "fog") issues for the past 2 1/2 to 3 weeks.

For the people who has decided to get the shot, then that's your prerogative. But don't chastise others who are against doing so. There are known complications for lots of people who has gotten the vaccine, as well as some folks are going on about their business and feel fine. But who's to say there may not be complications down the road..... One doesn't know.

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[quote=MTK;1284862]I'd guess most teams are in the same boat with vaccinations. We're talking about young athletes who already think they are invincible, couple that with vaccine hesitancy in the black community and I think getting to herd immunity in the NFL among the players is a long shot.[/quote]

I love when people say they want “more facts” before they get the shot. That seems to be a common mantra, and Sweat voiced that opinion as well. Like the results from hundreds of millions of shots in arms aren’t enough data. The benefits are clear and evident, as are the downsides of not getting the shot. For our team, the NFL as a whole, our communities and the world at large.