Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=SunnySide;1246490]Yeah ..... i think im the only person who thinks he doesnt report or reports week 8, if he is not traded. Hes not reporting to TC or week 1, imo.

I think he is traded though, even if its 2 3Rs, so we wont get to a week 1 watch.[/quote]

I don't know ... Here is a train of thought that may/may not be realistic.

RR and TW had a couple of good talks. But TW let RR know there was a part that was money related. After these talks, RR said something like "TW you were and can be again an important part of Redskins heritage, but I get it, you want security. We will let you and your agent go out and see what you can do, we won't hold you back, but we do expect fair compensation (mid 2nd or better) based on what you could be for us. Remember, the door is open if you change your mind.'

By being open, straightforward, and clear on what the Redskins thoughts are (and I think RR was) then it gives TW confidence the culture is changing - and gives him time to evaluate what his next step is, including coming back to the Redskins for another year.

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1246503]I don't know ... Here is a train of thought that may/may not be realistic.

RR and TW had a couple of good talks. But TW let RR know there was a part that was money related. After these talks, RR said something like "TW you were and can be again an important part of Redskins heritage, but I get it, you want security. We will let you and your agent go out and see what you can do, we won't hold you back, but we do expect fair compensation (mid 2nd or better) based on what you could be for us. Remember, the door is open if you change your mind.'

By being open, straightforward, and clear on what the Redskins thoughts are (and I think RR was) then it gives TW confidence the culture is changing - and gives him time to evaluate what his next step is, including coming back to the Redskins for another year.[/quote]

Sounds good to me -- hope you're right.

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1246503]I don't know ... Here is a train of thought that may/may not be realistic.

RR and TW had a couple of good talks. But TW let RR know there was a part that was money related. After these talks, RR said something like "TW you were and can be again an important part of Redskins heritage, but I get it, you want security. We will let you and your agent go out and see what you can do, we won't hold you back, but we do expect fair compensation (mid 2nd or better) based on what you could be for us. Remember, the door is open if you change your mind.'

By being open, straightforward, and clear on what the Redskins thoughts are (and I think RR was) then it gives TW confidence the culture is changing - and gives him time to evaluate what his next step is, including coming back to the Redskins for another year.[/quote]

He’s not coming back. If he was he would have after his first talk with RR. If that wasn’t enough to sway him, then he’s most worried about the money and that’s not going to change. I was so hopefully we were going to get a 1st. Now it looks like we will be lucky to get a 2nd. That sucks.

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[QUOTE=SkinzWin;1246508]He’s not coming back. If he was he would have after his first talk with RR. If that wasn’t enough to sway him, then he’s most worried about the money and that’s not going to change. I was so hopefully we were going to get a 1st. Now it looks like we will be lucky to get a 2nd. That sucks.[/QUOTE]I think it depends on what money he is offered, and/or if the draft compensation isn't right. I was specifically adressing whether TW would hold out if not traded, and that I think RR had a way that he could approach TW so if he is NOT traded, he still won't hold out again. Not to mention the 14Million he would be giving up.

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Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=GridIron26;1246499]Would you bring Penn back for one more year? I think I would, he didn't play great but he was decent and I loved his passion - he certainly showed that on the field last year.[/quote]

If we trade TW I'd definitely sign Penn back, he's slow but played better than expected IMO. The left side of our OL was supposed to be the weak link and ended up outperforming a disappointing right side.

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=FrenchSkin;1246536]If we trade TW I'd definitely sign Penn back, he's slow but played better than expected IMO. The left side of our OL was supposed to be the weak link and ended up outperforming a disappointing right side.[/quote]

Rather sign Jason Peters for a 1’year contract

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1246540]Rather sign Jason Peters for a 1’year contract[/quote]

But who is going to play LT for the other 8 games

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=FrenchSkin;1246536]If we trade TW I'd definitely sign Penn back, he's slow but played better than expected IMO. The left side of our OL was supposed to be the weak link and ended up outperforming a disappointing right side.[/quote]

Agreed.. That's the reason why I'm open to bringing Penn back for one more year if we don't have an opportunity to draft a LT in 1st or 2nd round with a pick we get for Williams, we can draft another LT in mid-late round and have Penn mentor the rookie.

And no thanks to Peter, he cannot stay healthy for a full season.

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=EdmundDorf;1246544]But who is going to play LT for the other 8 games[/quote]

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Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=EdmundDorf;1246544]But who is going to play LT for the other 8 games[/quote]

I guess the same could be said about TW.

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1246623]I guess the same could be said about TW.[/QUOTE]



But not Donald Penn. :-)


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Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[QUOTE=GridIron26;1246499]Would you bring Penn back for one more year? I think I would, he didn't play great but he was decent and I loved his passion - he certainly showed that on the field last year.[/QUOTE]



Penn was an emergency bandaid. He did ok but could be porous. Because Moses and to a lesser extent Scherff were ALSO having trouble, he wasn’t noticed as much as he could have been. Penn’s too old and the team must move forward. Kyle Smith will draft at least 2-5 OT from the draft and UDFA to get a possible rookie starter.

The team may bring in a good but older (30-32) OT FA for a very short contract, in case the best rookie LT isn’t ready at the start of the season. I think the second and third round picks will go toward TE, WR before OT, but they’ll overcome that with numbers of picks including UDFA.


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Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=Warthog;1246630]Penn was an emergency bandaid. He did ok but could be porous. Because Moses and to a lesser extent Scherff were ALSO having trouble, he wasn’t noticed as much as he could have been. Penn’s too old and the team must move forward. Kyle Smith will draft at least 2-5 OT from the draft and UDFA to get a possible rookie starter.

The team may bring in [B]a good but older (30-32) OT FA[/B] for a very short contract, in case the best rookie LT isn’t ready at the start of the season. I think the second and third round picks will go toward TE, WR before OT, but they’ll overcome that with numbers of picks including UDFA.


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Who would that be? According to Sportrac, there are 9 left tackles in the free agency and the top 2 - Andrew Whitworth and Anthony Castonzo are likely to resign with their teams.

Andrew Whitworth
Anthony Castonzo
Kelvin Beachum
Greg Robinson (will be suspended from NFL at some point)
Jason Peters
Chris Clark
Cedric Ogbuehi
Dakota Dozier
Cornelius Lucas

Again, I'm not saying that Penn would be great replacement if and when we trade Williams away but I think he might be the best choice out of all available tackles. Peters is a good player but unreliable, he had numerous of injuries that forced him to miss games.

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=GridIron26;1246640]Who would that be? According to Sportrac, there are 9 left tackles in the free agency and the top 2 - Andrew Whitworth and Anthony Castonzo are likely to resign with their teams.

Andrew Whitworth
Anthony Castonzo
Kelvin Beachum
[B]Greg Robinson[/B] (will be suspended from NFL at some point)
Jason Peters
Chris Clark
Cedric Ogbuehi
Dakota Dozier
Cornelius Lucas

Again, I'm not saying that Penn would be great replacement if and when we trade Williams away but I think he might be the best choice out of all available tackles. Peters is a good player but unreliable, he had numerous of injuries that forced him to miss games.[/quote]

He got caught with a hay bale sized bunch of weed, pretty sure he will spend some time in jail, an NFL suspension is the least of his worries. I don't get some of the situations these players get into. The dude had a $7 mil one year deal and he was running with drug smugglers.

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

Obviously aside from Robinson and Peters, would any of those guys be equivalent to/even just a small upgrade over Penn, and have salary in the same range or less? Why stick with the band aid for one more year when you could at least get an equivalent younger guys and possibly cheaper too?