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[quote=Mattyk;888052]Problem is everyone carved up NE last year. Look what Henne did in the remainder of his starts last year. Very underwhelming.[/quote]

Agreed. I just don't want anymore recycled guys coming in here with any chance of starting. That's why I think Weedon would be my choice. He's the most ready guy out there to start day one. Start him, get another o- linemen or two and we're headed in the right direction.

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[quote=Mattyk;888049]Why is that not a good sign?

Luck isn't throwing either.

They have nothing to gain.[/quote]

It just seems to me that if a QB doesnt want to throw he's trying to hide something like a weak arm or inaccuracy. Throwing is everything for an NFL QB. If you have nothing to gain why bother going to Indy at all?

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[quote=NC_Skins;888036]They can't trade him until the 13th. Anything negotiated prior to that is tampering and also teams can't franchise a player with the idea of trading him. So, if I'm a team wanting Flynn, I refuse to give them anything and then report them to the league for the violation.[/quote]

Should have written "found out if they could trade him by Mar13th".

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/blog/redskins-talk/post/Packers-maneuvering-franchise-tag-for-Fl?blockID=656408&feedID=10316]Packers maneuvering franchise tag for Flynn?[/url]

"Though the Packers must franchise him by March 5, he won't count against their cap until March 13, the first day of the league calendar. The one thing they don't want to happen is to get stuck with Flynn on their roster at $14.4 million with no trade partner."

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[quote=mredskins;888069]YES! Must watch TV![/quote]

I agree. Love watching Gruden with the QB's. I remember watching Cam Newton last year and I was like.."this guy has bust written all over him!"

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[quote=irish;888087]It just seems to me that if a QB doesnt want to throw he's trying to hide something like a weak arm or inaccuracy. Throwing is everything for an NFL QB. If you have nothing to gain why bother going to Indy at all?[/quote]

Well RG3 doesn't have a weak arm and has great accuracy on his deep ball. Probably the best deep ball thrower in the draft. A lot of guys don't throw at the combine. No big deal.

The guys go to meet the teams and talk with them. It's not just about the drills. They all throw at their pro days.

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[quote=NC_Skins;888036]They can't trade him until the 13th. Anything negotiated prior to that is tampering and also [B]teams can't franchise a player with the idea of trading him.[/B] So, if I'm a team wanting Flynn, I refuse to give them anything and then report them to the league for the violation.[/quote]

Are you sure? W/out looking it up, it seems to me many a player has been franchised with the intent of getting a trade. How would you prove that the "intent to trade" (barring something idiotic like the GM saying "Oh, we don't want him, we just tagged him to trade him")?

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[quote=NC_Skins;888036]They can't trade him until the 13th. Anything negotiated prior to that is tampering and also teams can't franchise a player with the idea of trading him. So, if I'm a team wanting Flynn, I refuse to give them anything and then report them to the league for the violation.[/quote]

?

It's only tampering if other teams try to talk with him or his agent. Other teams can talk to the organization. The organization can talk to other teams now even in effect shopping him to see what they could get for him. If they think there is enough interest they should tag him and see what trade they could get. It also would help out Miami if they plan to sign him and GB wants to help them out. Flynn doesn't see the open market and doesn't get a choice as to where he wants to go. Even if it is Miami. It also ensures he does not go to another NFC team.

It pisses me off but who cares.

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[quote=irish;888087]It just seems to me that if a QB doesnt want to throw he's trying to hide something like a weak arm or inaccuracy. Throwing is everything for an NFL QB. If you have nothing to gain why bother going to Indy at all?[/quote]

The top QBs often don't throw. This is nothing new.

Going to Indy is still important for the interview process.

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and to get under armour gear to be auction off at a later time

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[quote=los panda;888101]and to get under armour gear to be auction off at a later time[/quote]

It looked like the guys had the Staples "Easy Button" implanted in their chest...

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[quote=diehard;888110]It looked like the guys had the Staples "Easy Button" implanted in their chest...[/quote]what did they claim the purpose was?

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[quote=los panda;888112]what did they claim the purpose was?[/quote]

A instrument was inside that measured heart rate and other things.

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spooky

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Ok so with Flynn being such a bad QB and the Packers deciding to possibly tag such a bad, unknown, 2nd rate QB I wonder what Miami is going to do and how that will effect the Skins? Why do I ask? because a lot of people figured Miami would make a big play for Flynn. Now that he might be off the table and they are not re-signing Henne then who do they bring in and who do they draft? Miami was a team I heard that was interested in Weeden also, which is why I ask because if they are and the Skins are high on Weeden then no way should the Skins trade back to late 1st round and let Miami take him. We either make a trade to a position prior to Miami or just take Weeden at #6.

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i doubt the pack plan to keep him on the roster with a number like $14.4M. any team that wanted him can still have him

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[quote=JoeRedskin;888094]Are you sure? W/out looking it up, it seems to me many a player has been franchised with the intent of getting a trade. How would you prove that the "intent to trade" (barring something idiotic like the GM saying "Oh, we don't want him, we just tagged him to trade him")?[/quote]

[url=http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/flynn-departure-may-not-aid-packers-k43ld06-136557403.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter]Flynn departure may not aid Packers - JSOnline[/url]



[quote]So once the Packers tag Flynn, that $14 million counts against their salary cap. Flynn would automatically become the highest-paid player on the team in terms of annual salary.

NFL teams are prohibited from trading franchise players. [U]In fact, the rules say you may not franchise a player with the intent to sign him to a contract and then trade him.[/U] However, this rule has been broken before and the NFL tends to look the other way.[/quote]

This is where I got this from. Like you said, how could you really prove that?

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^^ Okay. Thanks for the clarification.

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[quote=NC_Skins;888175][url=http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/flynn-departure-may-not-aid-packers-k43ld06-136557403.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter]Flynn departure may not aid Packers - JSOnline[/url]





This is where I got this from. Like you said, how could you really prove that?[/quote]

They sure looked the other way when the Pats traded Cassel...if my memory is correct.

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[URL="http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/green_bay_packers_risk_in_franchise_tagging_qb_matt_flynn/10074415"]Green Bay Packers: Risk in Franchise Tagging QB Matt Flynn?[/URL]

[QUOTE]If the Packers did tag Flynn, he would almost certainly sign the offer sheet—putting the Packers on the hook for the $14.4 million and forcing them to find a trade partner. If no team bit on Flynn, the Packers would be stuck with a backup quarterback making considerably more than their NFL MVP starter, Aaron Rodgers. Re-signing center Scott Wells and special teamer Jarrett Bush would also become tricky under the cap.

But here’s the kicker in the whole deal: The Packers won’t even ponder franchise tagging Flynn unless they have a handshake deal in place with another team on both the parameters of a trade and a re-structrured deal for Flynn—the two necessary components for a tag-and-trade scenario to successfully play out.

Yes, NFL rules are supposed to avoid tampering, which seemingly would become a problem considering the Packers have to tag Flynn by March 5 and that a trade cannot happen between teams until the new league year starts on March 13. Talks about moving players such as Flynn would be considered tampering until that date.
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I forgot this part:
[QUOTE]
But let’s be honest here. The next week at the NFL Scouting Combine is a tampering fest, and there are plenty of ways to get a handshake deal in place without actually tampering. Depending on the language used in the dialogue, the Packers and team X can skirt the boundaries of tampering without actually breaking any NFL rules.
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[quote=Son Of Man;888203]They sure looked the other way when the Pats traded Cassel...if my memory is correct.[/quote]

I think he fell under the old CBA which I thought team were getting away with doing that and under the new CBA they added a claus that says they can't tag a player with the intention of trading him for value later.

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[quote=Son Of Man;888203]They sure looked the other way when the Pats traded Cassel...if my memory is correct.[/quote]


The main reason they could get away with it is because of the fear of Brady's health(ACL tear). They could make the claim that we had to sign him since we didn't know if Brady was going to be able to come back or not. Not sure Green Bay could say the same....lol

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7607750/teams-talk-st-louis-rams-no-2-pick-sources-say]Teams talk to St. Louis Rams about No. 2 pick, sources say - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SBXVII;888230]I think he fell under the old CBA which I thought team were getting away with doing that and under the new CBA they added a claus that says they can't tag a player with the intention of trading him for value later.[/quote]

No, the rule is exactly the same now as it was then.

Plenty of players have been tagged with the intent of trading them. It's a nonsense rule and everyone knows it.

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I think Chad Henne is a better QB then his perception.
I think he's one of the journeyman/second chance QBs that has the potential of becoming a good starting QB in the NFL.

I would be happy with an offseason QB overhall that would result with:

Manning + Henne + 4th round or later developmental QB

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[quote=Mattyk;888049]Why is that not a good sign?

Luck isn't throwing either.

They have nothing to gain.[/quote]

True they have nothing to gain by throwing. Newton surprised everybody last year when he threw. If your a top 2 qb going in, there is no way you should throw at the meat market, only at your pro day when you have some control over the situation. By the way Tannehill is not the qb that the skins should try to get especially at the 6 spot. He was mediocre at best this year, and was probably better due to his supporting cast then his own ability. If they don't get either Luck or Griffin wait for the second round, Weeden is probably the safest pick among the "clipboard holders". They'll be back in the mix for a qb next year if they don't trade up, probably with a new coach picking the next qb. Hopefuly not a USC qb-they never work.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7607498/rams-fielding-offers-no-2-pick-essentially-rg3]NFL Combine: Rams fielding offers for No. 2 pick and essentially RG3 - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;888311][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7607498/rams-fielding-offers-no-2-pick-essentially-rg3]NFL Combine: Rams fielding offers for No. 2 pick and essentially RG3 - ESPN[/url][/quote]

If STL and MIN are trading their picks, neither one is interested in RG3. No?

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[quote=30gut;888305]I think Chad Henne is a better QB then his perception.
I think he's one of the journeyman/second chance QBs that has the potential of becoming a good starting QB in the NFL.

I would be happy with an offseason QB overhall that would result with:

Manning + Henne + 4th round or later developmental QB[/quote]

I'm sorry, I hear people mention Orton and I think Grossman, people are now mentioning Henne and I think Beck.

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[quote=SBXVII;888324]I'm sorry, I hear people mention Orton and I think Grossman, people are now mentioning Henne and I think Beck.[/quote]

Funny. Might as well bring both of them in and let them compete...

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ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk)
2/23/12 11:06 PM
Report: Browns expected to make a play for Matt Flynn bit.ly/zkTgTk

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[quote=44Deezel;888348]ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk)
2/23/12 11:06 PM
Report: Browns expected to make a play for Matt Flynn bit.ly/zkTgTk[/quote]

If that is true then that's good news for us. Go get 'em Holmgren!

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[quote=44Deezel;888348]ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk)
2/23/12 11:06 PM
Report: Browns expected to make a play for Matt Flynn bit.ly/zkTgTk[/quote]

This post just got me extremely excited! I'm all in for Robert Griffin the 3rd!

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Grant Paulsen ‏ @granthpaulsen
New #Rams head coach Jeff Fisher:"We have a lot of options and we're going to be prepared." Said trading Sam Bradford is NOT an option.

Stings a bit...Looks like my last shred of hope for Bradford is gone.

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[quote=celts32;888420]Grant Paulsen ‏ @granthpaulsen
New #Rams head coach Jeff Fisher:"We have a lot of options and we're going to be prepared." Said trading Sam Bradford is NOT an option.

Stings a bit...Looks like my last shred of hope for Bradford is gone.[/quote]

It has happened before where a coach says we are not trading 'so and so' and then later on, the end up trading that guy.

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Fisher has said all along one of the main reasons for taking that job was Bradford. He's going to build around him.

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[quote=Mattyk;888423]Fisher has said all along one of the main reasons for taking that job was Bradford. He's going to build around him.[/quote]

Yea I hear you but I was still clinging. Maybe I just missed it but I heard that stuff mentioned by others but not actually straight from his mouth until today.

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[quote=irish;888087]It just seems to me that if a QB doesnt want to throw he's trying to hide something like a weak arm or inaccuracy. Throwing is everything for an NFL QB. If you have nothing to gain why bother going to Indy at all?[/quote]

There is zero to gain at all for a top-level QB to throw. The only thing it could do is diminish their prospects. I mean they're top-level because everyone has seen them play and knows what they are capable of. They can't be "hiding" anything because they just finished a college football season where they showed how awesome they are. What happens when they go to the combine and tweak an oblique and can't get the ball down the field? I mean they can't possibly show anything physically to further their prospects. There is nothing to be gained. They do go to Indy to talk and interview as Matty said because that is the stuff that watching them play doesn't show.

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[quote=Mattyk;888423]Fisher has said all along one of the main reasons for taking that job was Bradford. He's going to build around him.[/quote]

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82729374/article/scouting-combine-kicks-off-lying-season-around-the-nfl?module=HP11_cp]NFL.com news: Scouting combine kicks off lying season around the NFL[/url]

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[quote=44Deezel;888348]ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk)
2/23/12 11:06 PM
Report: Browns expected to make a play for Matt Flynn bit.ly/zkTgTk[/quote]

That would be awesome. Too early to put all our eggs (hopes) into that basket just yet though...

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[quote=CultBrennan59;888480][URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82729374/article/scouting-combine-kicks-off-lying-season-around-the-nfl?module=HP11_cp"]NFL.com news: Scouting combine kicks off lying season around the NFL[/URL][/quote]

Excellent article. I loved this quote:

[quote=Michael Lombardi]
Agents will use the media to promote their players. Instead, as a fan, think like a club executive and read between the lines of every report.
[/quote]

Also highlights a key difference between the Redskins of old and the Redskins of today. Even in this day and age, agents will use the Redskins' name to drum up bidding wars for their players as a result of our past history. But the reality is Shanny/Allen will take the explore all options/leave the bidding war route instead of getting caught up in the hype of a player as in years' past.

To sum up, it's nice to know we have competent execs in charge.