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[quote=That Guy;1114884]apparently there's a new tougher domestic violence policy, but since it was made in reaction to these cases (but after the incidents took place) they can't apply it retroactively. new league minimum will be 6 games for the first offense and possible lifetime ban for offense #2.

also, technically he won his case on appeal since the victim didn't testify at the appeal, which is a thing you have to do in that state.

anyways, that's the less jaded/reactionary response.[/quote]

A defendant has a right to appeal a conviction in Domestic relations court (lower court) to Circuit court (higher court) in Virginia too.

The appeal here is de novo or as if the original conviction never happened.

In Virginia, a person isn't entitled to a jury trial in lower court but is in Circuit court. I read in an article that was the case in NC as well but I'm not certain.

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[quote=Chico23231;1114886]Technically, it's been recognized the only reason she didn't testify is because a financial settlement was reached. Both parties have said this, none of the facts were ever successfully argued against in the guilty verdict. If there was a video, he wouldn't be in the league right now[/quote]

A civil settlement would not affect a prosecutor's ability to subpoena the victim to testify in a criminal case.

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Today is the last day to sign long term deals for those with the Franchise tags. Looks like Dez is going to miss some camp/games according to him.


[B]@DezBryant

As much as I love football...on my beautiful babies.. I apologize #cowboynation but I will not be there if no deal #fact



@MikeKlis

Demaryius Thomas expected to miss training camp/preseason if no longterm agreement reached today: [url=http://on9news.tv/1IZfufh]Broncos and Demaryius need final-hour compromise[/url] via @9News #9news[/B]


Lots of reports saying he and D. Thomas want Calvin Johnson type money, but I don't see it happening. In fact, Calvin Johnson shouldn't have gotten that contract he got. You don't pay WRs that kind of money, no matter how good they are.

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People are severely overpaying for talent.


[B][SIZE="4"]
@AdamSchefter

KC's Justin Houston signed a 6-year, $101M deal that includes $52.5M GTD, richest Chiefs' deal in history, richest LB deal in NFL history.[/SIZE][/B]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1114958]People are severely overpaying for talent.


[B][SIZE="4"]
@AdamSchefter

KC's Justin Houston signed a 6-year, $101M deal that includes $52.5M GTD, richest Chiefs' deal in history, richest LB deal in NFL history.[/SIZE][/B][/quote]

Dez should love to hear about this

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As great a player as Johnson is, Det. hasn't won ONE playoff game since he's been there. We can even look here at Jackson, he didn't actually make the team better even though he put up numbers. WR's just don't impact the game enough to be paid 16 million a year.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1114958]People are severely overpaying for talent.


[B][SIZE=4]
@AdamSchefter

KC's Justin Houston signed a 6-year, $101M deal that includes $52.5M GTD, richest Chiefs' deal in history, richest LB deal in NFL history.[/SIZE][/B][/quote]

That 52 million is probably spread out over 4 years perhaps? That's around 12 or 13 million per year? To me he may be a little overpaid but that's fine for them. They're not paying a ton of money at QB so they can pay out a little more to one of the best pass rushers in the NFL.

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i think Dez' tweet was a beautifully played PR move. he kept it to 1 tweet and in 24 words managed to:

1. state his love of the game (desire to be the best, not just highest paid);
2. endeared himself to any parent by reminding everyone he has kids that he loves;
3. endeared himself to boys fans by apologizing letting them know he wishes things were diff but it is out of his control;
4. clearly and unequivocally stated his intention (no deal, no dez).

beauty in simplicity. im starting to think dez is a deeper river then i originally imagined.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1114957]Today is the last day to sign long term deals for those with the Franchise tags. Looks like Dez is going to miss some camp/games according to him.

[B]@DezBryant
As much as I love football...on my beautiful babies.. I apologize #cowboynation but I will not be there if no deal #fact

@MikeKlis
Demaryius Thomas expected to miss training camp/preseason if no longterm agreement reached today: [url=http://on9news.tv/1IZfufh]Broncos and Demaryius need final-hour compromise[/url] via @9News #9news[/B]

Lots of reports saying he and D. Thomas want Calvin Johnson type money, but I don't see it happening. In fact, Calvin Johnson shouldn't have gotten that contract he got. You don't pay WRs that kind of money, no matter how good they are.[/quote]

I don't think these guys should get Calvin Johnson type money, but at the same time their respective teams are going to do anything and everything to get them for the cheapest amount of money.

In a normal situation, you'd have some agreement in the middle; however, the franchise tag, gives teams a huge advantage in their negotiation. I know people's initial reaction is to side with the team. But it sucks to be them, because the franchise tag doesn't help them with their negotiation.

At the end of the day, they'll either need to take the franchise tag (paid on a weekly basis and not guaranteed), take a very team friendly deal, or hold out.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1114958]People are severely overpaying for talent.


[B][SIZE="4"]
@AdamSchefter

KC's Justin Houston signed a 6-year, $101M deal that includes $52.5M GTD, richest Chiefs' deal in history, richest LB deal in NFL history.[/SIZE][/B][/quote]

The problem is that the cap is going to be going up significantly each year. It may be an overpayment this year, but in two years, it could be a pretty good contract for the team. By the time its over, that contract could be a steal if his play stays where its at.

Thats one of the problems with talking about contracts now compared to in the past. We didnt have the cap going crazy like it is now.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1114964]I don't think these guys should get Calvin Johnson type money, but at the same time their respective teams are going to do anything and everything to get them for the cheapest amount of money.

In a normal situation, you'd have some agreement in the middle; however, the franchise tag, gives teams a huge advantage in their negotiation. I know people's initial reaction is to side with the team. [B]But it sucks to be them, because the franchise tag doesn't help them with their negotiation[/B].

At the end of the day, they'll either need to take the franchise tag (paid on a weekly basis and not guaranteed), take a very team friendly deal, or hold out.[/quote]

Huh?? Won't both make 11 million next year by signing the tag? That's a huge raise over what they're making right now. That money alone can last a lifetime if it's managed right. Sucks to be them.

These are the rules and how they were set. Yeah they want guaranteed money but if they don't like it then get a 9-5. Would you give Dez Bryant a ton of money and not have something in there to protect yourself? We're talking about a guy who beat up his mom.

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[B][SIZE="4"]@AroundTheNFL

Dez Bryant deal: 5 years, $70 million, per @RapSheet[/SIZE][/B]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1114969]Huh?? Won't both make 11 million next year by signing the tag? That's a huge raise over what they're making right now. That money alone can last a lifetime if it's managed right. Sucks to be them.

These are the rules and how they were set. Yeah they want guaranteed money but if they don't like it then get a 9-5. [B]Would you give Dez Bryant a ton of money and not have something in there to protect yourself?[/B] We're talking about a guy who beat up his mom.[/quote]
.........No
--Vinnie

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[quote=NC_Skins;1114958]People are severely overpaying for talent.


[B][SIZE="4"]
@AdamSchefter

KC's Justin Houston signed a 6-year, $101M deal that includes $52.5M GTD, richest Chiefs' deal in history, richest LB deal in NFL history.[/SIZE][/B][/quote]

22 sacks will get you paid.

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Man, Kerrigan and Trent could get expensive.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1114975]Man, Kerrigan and Trent could get expensive.[/quote]

Kerrigan will not be getting anything close to 100 million, and if he does they all need to be fired.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1114969]Huh?? Won't both make 11 million next year by signing the tag? That's a huge raise over what they're making right now. That money alone can last a lifetime if it's managed right. Sucks to be them.

These are the rules and how they were set. Yeah they want guaranteed money but if they don't like it then get a 9-5. Would you give Dez Bryant a ton of money and not have something in there to protect yourself? We're talking about a guy who beat up his mom.[/quote]

Players are always going to look for guaranteed money, especially when they are in their prime. I know Dez is a bad character, but I'm talking about players in general when it comes to the franchise tag and how it disadvantages players. And don't take it from me, since I'm just a fan; Andrew Brandt has mentioned this a number of time on the Ross Tucker podcast.

Anyway, pretty surprised Dez got a contract. His threats may have actually worked.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1114975]Man, Kerrigan and Trent could get expensive.[/quote]

im starting to get worried as well. these are core guys. Scot says he wants to reward their own so i trust bruce (contracts wise) and Scot (decision wise).

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Redskins-Discussing-Extensions-For-Williams-Kerrigan/3546f493-1075-4bb9-8d34-15115a807ac4]Redskins Discussing Extensions For Williams, Kerrigan[/url]

^^ most recent thing i saw on google. they are in talks since at least may.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/04/10/trent-williams-dismisses-agent-ben-dogra/]Trent Williams dismisses agent Ben Dogra - The Washington Post[/url]

^^ trent fired his agent in april

Asked Thursday if he’d like to be a Redskin for life, Williams told Redskins.com TV’s Larry Michael: “Of course. Of course. That’s a no-brainer.

“We’ll see,” Williams continued. “Business has to work itself out. Obviously I’m not educated in that department, so I’ve got my representation, and I just let them guys talk and let them handle it, and hopefully we can get something done soon.”

^^ trent quote

Asked April 27 about the contract negotiations with both Williams and Kerrigan, first-year Redskins general manager Scot McCloughan said “they’re ongoing, but nothing substantial” in the way of progress was able to be reported at the time.

“But there’s been discussions,” McCloughan said. “We’re not in a hurry, hurry to do it, but we’d like to. We see them as quality Redskin football players, and they’re both highly talented. It’s a big contract, but discussions are going on. We definitely have been staying in touch with the agents.”

^^ Scot quote

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Trent-Williams%E2%80%99-Desire-To-Remain-Redskin-%E2%80%98No-Brainer%E2%80%99/2bf8cd7c-bf28-4d68-b977-25c677644a3b]Trent Williams’ Desire To Remain Redskin ‘No-Brainer’[/url]


i trust scot and bruce to figure it out.

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well, kerrigan and williams are the type of players you want to keep, so if everyone is being rational, it shouldn't be an issue to get it worked out.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/07/23/bills-asked-lesean-mccoy-to-take-down-his-ad-for-creepy-females-only-party-because-it-used-their-logo/]Bills asked LeSean McCoy to take down his ad for creepy ‘Females Only’ party, because it used their logo - The Washington Post[/url]


This guy is such a dumbass.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1115243][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/07/23/bills-asked-lesean-mccoy-to-take-down-his-ad-for-creepy-females-only-party-because-it-used-their-logo/]Bills asked LeSean McCoy to take down his ad for creepy ‘Females Only’ party, because it used their logo - The Washington Post[/url]





This guy is such a dumbass.[/QUOTE]


I dont know whether I am just pissed off that i cant hold a females only party (i am married, and i dont think i would draw a big crowd anyway), or that is the dumbest thing i have ever seen. Possibly a little bit of both.
I will say that if McCoy invited me to his party as his wingman (and i wasnt married) i would have a hard time saying no.

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I doubt, highly, that Lesean McCoy needs a wingman. Just sayin

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Can't say I did not see this coming. About time.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2531750-nfl-reportedly-informs-officials-of-new-game-ball-rules-after-deflategate?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial]NFL Reportedly Informs Officials of New Game Ball Rules After Deflategate | Bleacher Report[/url]

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ridiculous.....

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[url=http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/13331590/tom-brady-4-game-suspension-upheld-roger-goodell]Tom Brady's 4-game suspension upheld by Roger Goodell[/url]

Gotta say im a little surprised it wasnt reduced. wow

I bet he throwing a lil hissy fit right now like a lil biatch

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So much for the golden boy/untouchable thing some people thought with Brady.

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[quote=Chico23231;1115359][url=http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/13331590/tom-brady-4-game-suspension-upheld-roger-goodell]Tom Brady's 4-game suspension upheld by Roger Goodell[/url]

Gotta say im a little surprised it wasnt reduced. wow

I bet he throwing a lil hissy fit right now like a lil biatch[/quote]

The most shadiest man ever. Freaking threw away his phone.

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Brady should just let it go at this point. Enough already. Both sides are so in the wrong here. The NFL for blowing 5 million on a deflated ball investigation, treating this like Watergate, and then their over the top punishments, and Brady himself for just not coming clean about what happened.

Where is the punishment and investigation for the Colts? They had deflated balls too.

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[quote=donofriose;1115361]The most shadiest man ever. Freaking threw away his phone.[/quote]

thats what the guilty do...aaron hernandez style, destroying cells phones. Im sure they have a drill for that in training camp...the patriot way.


Dont care what anybody says...spy gate, deflategate, and player killing someone, possibly others. Patriots championships are tainted.

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[quote=Chico23231;1115363]thats what the guilty do...aaron hernandez style, destroying cells phones. Im sure they have a drill for that in training camp...the patriot way.


Dont care what anybody says...spy gate, deflategate, and player killing someone, possibly others. Patriots championships are tainted.[/quote]

I think they are drilling brady because of his lack of cooperation, I think their ball experiment is going to reveal a lot about the footballs.

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[quote=Chico23231;1115363]thats what the guilty do...aaron hernandez style, destroying cells phones. Im sure they have a drill for that in training camp...the patriot way.


Dont care what anybody says...spy gate, deflategate, and player killing someone, possibly others. Patriots championships are tainted.[/quote]

That's what jealous fans say .

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[quote=Giantone;1115365]That's what jealous fans say .[/quote]

pshhh come on.

Facts are facts, these arent rumors.

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Brady and the case of his destroyed cell phone, trying to hide something? smoking gun


[url]http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-s-destroyed-cell-phone-is-smoking-gun-that-crushed-the-patriots-superstar-210251124.html[/url]

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I'm guessing he had much more to hide than just the deflate gate BS.

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Brady thought he was above it all due to his legacy and Goodell said "not in my house bitch". One thing Goodell has said before is that lying would always make the punishment worse. I support this suspension due to the circumstances.





[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/3lzVqNC.jpg[/IMG]

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13335192/eric-berry-kansas-city-chiefs-cleared-battle-lymphoma]Eric Berry of Kansas City Chiefs cleared after battle with lymphoma[/url]

An update on Eric Berry.

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I want to chime in on the Deflategate thing. Big picture perspective first, I don't think the footballs being deflated 1/2 lb or 1 lb of pressure or whatever they were had much of an affect if any on the game the Patriots played against the Colts, cause it was a blowout and they could have played with a Nerf football and it wouldn't have mattered. The issue it raises with me is how many other times, the balls may have been under inflated in the past in a cold/wet game when the game was close. Turnovers are a big deal in win/loses and a soft football helps keep that from happening. So there is a question in my mind of the past more than that specific game. Second, I don't think there is anything on my cell phone I am ashamed of, so turning mine over as "evidence" would be OK with me to keep from losing 4 games and millions of dollars. The fact that Brady destroyed his is an admission of guilt to me, much like using fake pee for a urine drug test. I sure that really rubbed Goodell the wrong way and why he stuck to his guns.

Tom Brady is a great QB, but this manipulating the rules by him and the Patriots or otherwise trying to get an advantage is just getting old.

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Once again, the cover up is worse than the crime. Brady and the Pats look pretty damn dumb...again

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It really is hard to "prove" anything at hearings / trials, etc. There is a natural bias among the public (which I generally applaud) towards "innocent until shown guilty." When a person accused of something is shown destroying things that any reasonable person would say "Well, that would have been helpful," I have NO problem with (1) presuming the destroyed evidence showed guilt; and (2) severely punishing people for intentionally obstructing investigations even if the underlying violation is minor because they are attacking / undermining the ability of authority to punish actual wrong doers; thus, they injure everyone else in that system.

Deflategate was a mountain out of a molehill. Brady destroying a cellphone was a clear obstruction - I would have suspended him for that alone and, probably, for more than four games.

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With that said, Brady will be filing his federal court appeal in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ... 2 ...