Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Chico23231;1235148]The ability to get a team to make a desperate move and overpay is greatest right now than the offseason. We are seeing it happen 3 times in the last week capped today with sanu with a second...completely an over pay. We should at least attempt to make a trade for TW. If we don’t like it, then don’t take it and wait til the offseason. But if it’s a first round plus an additional pick, it would be foolish to turn it down. New England offered a first. Browns call every week? This offseason more players will be available in the draft and free agency at Tackle...it’s economics.

I don’t understand why you want Kerrigan past his prime playing on 11 million for a team going thru a rebuild. You could get a 3rd or 2nd in this market, you take it to continue a rebuild. The only explanation is you want to extend him...past his prime extension that will cost 10 million plus a year? It simply doesn’t make sense. He hasn’t been very good this year.[/quote]

The only team that we know has offered us a first was new England months ago and i'm sorry, but no way would i take the 31/32 overall for TW at that time. I would imagine they would no longer be willing to give up their first for TW, especially when they just gave up their 2nd for Sanu.

As far as Kerrigan goes, he's not past his prime. He's IN his prime. And you cant build a winning culture without veteran leaders like him on the team. Kerrigan is another player that I think is undervalued in the rest of the league. No one would pay him top dollar. I would expect his extension to be reasonable and relatively team-friendly.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Irrefutable;1235178]Then why didn't he sign the offer to be one of the top paid guards in the NFL?[/quote]

Because he wants to be THE highest paid, not one of them.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

they better sign him before Nelson gets his $

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1235217]they better sign him before Nelson gets his $[/quote]

Nelson > Scherff by a significant margin. A Nelson deal might actually help establish the ceiling for Scherff as he'll know he can't expect more.

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Nelson is only in year two, long way to go until he'll get a new deal

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[quote=MTK;1235225]Nelson is only in year two, long way to go until he'll get a new deal[/quote]

He can hold out tho, he's the best Lineman in football

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1235226]He can hold out tho, he's the best Lineman in football[/quote]

He could but that really doesn't seem like his style, bottom line is Scherff's deal is coming first

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[quote=MTK;1235227]He could but that really doesn't seem like his style, bottom line is Scherff's deal is coming first[/quote]

And it should, hes our best lineman right now

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If you pay Scherff 15M per, thats like 12.5% of the entire cap. Im not a fan of paying any G anything over 10M per. But under these circumstances, Id rather the Skins over pay a young really good player in Scherff.

We have so much money coming off the books with the future departures of Norman (12.5M cap savings), Kerrigan (11.75M), Trent (12.75M), Reed (8.5M) and Vernon Davis (4.9M).

^^ 50.4M that could and should be coming off the books for next yer as pre June 1 cuts.

Problem is I dont trust the Skins to spend the money wisely on quality players so Id rather throw 15M per to Scherff with good guaranteed money.

I 100% think we need to upgrade C, I think Roullier has been over valued by us and he seems to be better suited as a swing first-guy-up backup to LG-C-RG.

I want a stud C, upgrade position and allows Roullier to become real good depth.

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[quote=SunnySide;1235231]If you pay Scherff 15M per, thats like 12.5% of the entire cap. Im not a fan of paying any G anything over 10M per. But under these circumstances, Id rather the Skins over pay a young really good player in Scherff.

We have so much money coming off the books with the future departures of Norman (12.5M cap savings), Kerrigan (11.75M), Trent (12.75M), Reed (8.5M) and Vernon Davis (4.9M).

^^ 50.4M that could and should be coming off the books for next yer as pre June 1 cuts.

Problem is I dont trust the Skins to spend the money wisely on quality players so Id rather throw 15M per to Scherff with good guaranteed money.

I 100% think we need to upgrade C, I think Roullier has been over valued by us and he seems to be better suited as a swing first-guy-up backup to LG-C-RG.

I want a stud C, upgrade position and allows Roullier to become real good depth.[/quote]

Throw in Moses too.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/10/25/20931845/report-trent-williams-plans-to-report-to-the-redskins-before-week-10"]Report: Trent Williams plans to report to the Redskins before Week 10[/URL]

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=MTK;1235524][URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/10/25/20931845/report-trent-williams-plans-to-report-to-the-redskins-before-week-10"]Report: Trent Williams plans to report to the Redskins before Week 10[/URL][/quote]

I think he will show but doubt that he will play

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=MTK;1235524][URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/10/25/20931845/report-trent-williams-plans-to-report-to-the-redskins-before-week-10"]Report: Trent Williams plans to report to the Redskins before Week 10[/URL][/quote]

Shocking, the worst case scenario for us is what is going to happeen.

Trade him before Tuesday Bruce, you piece of shit excuse of a human being.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=MTK;1235524][URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/10/25/20931845/report-trent-williams-plans-to-report-to-the-redskins-before-week-10"]Report: Trent Williams plans to report to the Redskins before Week 10[/URL][/quote]

You can't bring him back into your building. What if he pulls something, which he most likely will. Who will examine him? Just fucking trade the guy and move on. We have the least forward thinking front office in the history of the league.

Anyone ever date or marry a women that just wants to win the argument? No matter what? That is the Redskins front office.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1235534]You can't bring him back into your building. What if he pulls something, which he most likely will. Who will examine him? Just fucking trade the guy and move on. We have the least forward thinking front office in the history of the league.

Anyone ever date or marry a women that just wants to win the argument? No matter what? That is the Redskins front office.[/quote]

Exactly! Instead of doing business, which should be they're endeavor, they've decided to make things personal. This is silly!

He's probably gonna feign an injury by Week 11 or 12 and end up on IR the remainder of the season. Just trade him!

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=MTK;1235524][URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/10/25/20931845/report-trent-williams-plans-to-report-to-the-redskins-before-week-10"]Report: Trent Williams plans to report to the Redskins before Week 10[/URL][/quote]

fuck him. trade him for a 1st rounder.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Meks;1235539]fuck him. trade him for a 1st rounder.[/quote]

+1

Ya boy is gonna show up and fake getting injured so he doesn't have to play. Why would he want to risk injury and his future playing for a 2 win team that he doesn't give a shit about.

I really wish we could force him to stay home so he would lose that accredited year.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

K Sheehan said per Mike Jones of USA Today that Dorsey has hounded Bruce over TW. Jones said Bruce absolutely is in a position [B]right now[/B] to get a 1st round and something like a 3rd round pick from Dorsey. Dorsey would do the deal.

If this is true, Bruce should be arrested for negligence...its completely insane...the ONLY acceptable explanation is Bruce is going to extend TW. That's it. Its the only reason I can think of...

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

4 days until the trade deadline passes...I'm saying he gets traded at 3:55 pm EST on Tuesday.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Chico23231;1235556]K Sheehan said per Mike Jones of USA Today that Dorsey has hounded Bruce over TW. Jones said Bruce absolutely is in a position [B]right now[/B] to get a 1st round and something like a 3rd round pick from Dorsey. Dorsey would do the deal.

If this is true, Bruce should be arrested for negligence...its completely insane...the ONLY acceptable explanation is Bruce is going to extend TW. That's it. Its the only reason I can think of...[/quote]

Bruce's logic is apparently he wants to wait until after the season when the draft order will be known. Just retarded.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=MTK;1235562]Bruce's logic is apparently he wants to wait until after the season when the draft order will be known. Just retarded.[/quote]

Fully retarded.

Apparently the Browns are benching their starting LT this weekend too.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

Bruce Allen is an idiot. He thinks he can get a better trade for TW in the offseason than he can now when teams are desperate. As long as BA is making personnel decisions this team will be handicapped with his buffoonery.


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Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

If management were competent, do you think we could get a first and Denzel Ward out of the Browns for TW and Josh Norman?

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

JP Finlay
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JP Finlay Retweeted Ian Rapoport

Stance has changed in Ashburn.

JP Finlay added,
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Sources: The #Redskins are now open to dealing star LT Trent Williams. They have begun the process of looking at potential suitors, and the #Browns have been one. Unclear how high they set the asking price, but they’ll at least listen.
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Has Denzel Ward really fallen off that much from his rookie year? Seems like he is injured.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

Apparently Redskins are now open to trading Williams away.. Let's hope Redskins will not give away Williams for a rotten ham sandwich.

[url]https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1188893506804289537[/url]

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

My hot take ...

Bruce waited until the day before Trent would report and start getting pay checks so he could cost Trent as much money as possible. He didnt care if waiting potentially screwed his value by taking the chance that interested teams in week 1 or 2 (ie Texans) would look else where and pull out of the Trent talks.

This assumes he actually trades Trent.

I also strongly believe a new team has to extend Trent and that may water the deals down. Trent wants out of here but he wants a new contract w new guaranteed money going past 2020 as well.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

TW, Kerrigan, AP, Norman...fire sale now Bruce

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

So can we get that first and a player from Cleveland like they were offering to begin with??

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

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Albert Breer Retweeted Ian Rapoport

The Redskins have begun the process of ascertaining interest across the league. And I'm told the asking price, for right now (and this is obviously subject to change), is a first-round pick.


JP Finlay
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Could the Redskins trade Trent Williams? Definitely. But the price is high and sources tell me the team might want a playmaker in return, not just about draft picks. Trying to give Haskins weapons.
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Are the Browns even hungry now like they were 2-3 weeks ago?

Theyre 2-5 and look like they have more problems than just LT ... they may want to step back and chill now.

Bruce may have fucked that up.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

There is no win in any scenario at this point. Teams with anticipated high draft picks are going to wait on the draft, and contenders aren't going to give up a valuable player in exchange for TW.

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Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1235670]There is no win in any scenario at this point. Teams with anticipated high draft picks are going to wait on the draft, and contenders aren't going to give up a valuable player in exchange for TW.

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I'll wait and see what the exchange (if it even happens is)

At least Bruce pulled his head out of his ass and is listening to offers now.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1235665]So can we get that first and a player from Cleveland like they were offering to begin with??[/quote]

A first and Ward. That is what I want at this point (I know it won't happen).

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

Watch the skins trade Trent For a second rnd pick.. stupid ass front office

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=SunnySide;1235661]JP Finlay
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32m32 minutes ago

JP Finlay Retweeted Ian Rapoport

Stance has changed in Ashburn.

JP Finlay added,
Ian Rapoport
Verified account @RapSheet
Sources: The #Redskins are now open to dealing star LT Trent Williams. They have begun the process of looking at potential suitors, and the #Browns have been one. Unclear how high they set the asking price, but they’ll at least listen.
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Has Denzel Ward really fallen off that much from his rookie year? Seems like he is injured.[/quote]

Effin finally... Hope we can get a 1st ! Don't see how waiting till last minute helped but if they manage to get a good deal that's already a lot for this FO...

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Chico23231;1235664]TW, Kerrigan, AP, Norman...fire sale now Bruce[/quote]

Bruce Allen should be the first to go.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

This was probably the plan all along I believe. Trade him right before the deadline so he can sit for as long as possible.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

So we opened up the lines the day before the deadline? Cool. Way to give yourselves some time. Man I hate these fuckers.

That being said, I'll take a 2nd at this point. I'd rather have a 2nd then drag this out further. If we get any kind of 1st round pick, I'll be happy.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1235690][B]So we opened up the lines the day before the deadline?[/B] Cool. Way to give yourselves some time. Man I hate these fuckers.

That being said, I'll take a 2nd at this point. I'd rather have a 2nd then drag this out further. If we get any kind of 1st round pick, I'll be happy.[/quote]

You have to trust the genius of Bruce Allen. It was probably done that way to force teams to think fast, make impulsive offers and over pay. Totally winning off the field and keeping up the damn good culture. They kept as many paychecks away from TW while maximizing his value, win, win for Redskins. That will teach any future players that pulling a mutiny will cost them dearly. Finished 1-6 last year, started 1-7 this year. That is damn good consistency.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Chico23231;1235664]TW, Kerrigan, AP, Norman...fire sale now Bruce[/quote]

Up here the local guys are confirming the Ravens made an offer for Kerrigan but were turned down by the Skins.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1235696]Up here the local guys are confirming the Ravens made an offer for Kerrigan but were turned down by the Skins.[/quote]

I wouldn't trade Kerrigan for anything less than a first or a second plus, especially from the ravens who are likely to have a pick in the bottom 8. So unless that's what the ravens offered, I'm glad we turned them down.