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[quote=Dirtbag59;931214]So does anyone think Obama will dump Biden and make Hillary his running mate? I think if that happens Obama is a lock to win which is kind of ironic. [/quote]


He should, but he's not.


[quote=Dirtbag59;931214]I mean I don't think Obama getting reelected will be anywhere close to the doomsday scenario Republicans will have you believe will take place but at the same time I feel like Romney has more potential to get the economy going again. Also my main beef with Obama is he's basically embraced the whole Occupy Wall Street movement and engaged in some warped form of class warfare, which is disappointing because he started out as a moderate. [/quote]


The President has about as much influence on the economy as he does the weather. There are several key factors here. The global economy is one of those factors, and it affects ours just as ours affects theirs. The second factor is Congress. This is by far the most important as they dictate policy. Only THEY can implement a Presidents plan. Now, lets look back and see how the Republicans have stonewalled Obama his entire tenure unless it was somehow benefiting them.Congress has turned into a dog and pony show. Guess what? If Romney gets elected, what do you think the Dem controlled Senate is going to do after 4 years of the Republicans doing it? They are going to absolutely shit on any and all legislation so they can point the finger at him at the end of his term and say "Our candidate is better."

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400 billion of the stimulus was tax cuts...but yeah, Obama has no business regulating wall street or imprisoning all its crooks that fcked this country.

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Unless you abolish the Federal reserve, get back to the gold standard and revoke the legal tender laws nothing that either one of these guys do will prevent an upcoming collapse. Up to 50% of our debt comes due in 2015 and unless the Federal Govt shuts down completely and raises taxes, there is no way in Hades that we are going to forestall hyperinflationary collapse unless we default on the debt. ANd even then things are going to get nasty around the globe. Don't be surprised if we get hit a gain with another spectacualr terror attack, then we hit Iran and maybe see Israel roll tanks into Lebanon again. This is playing out like the crap that happened before the prelude to both world wars.

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[quote=NC_Skins;931217]He should, but he's not.





They are going to absolutely shit on any and all legislation so they can point the finger at him at the end of his term and say "Our candidate is better."[/quote]


....sounds really familiar,almost like it's happen before.:)

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[quote=saden1;931229] Obama has no business regulating wall street or imprisoning all its crooks that fcked this country.[/quote]


huh ?

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[quote=saden1;931229]400 billion of the stimulus was tax cuts...but yeah, Obama has no business regulating wall street or imprisoning all its crooks that fcked this country.[/quote]As long as he throws Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, and the CEOs of Fannie/Freddie in first.

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/story/2011-12-16/fannie-freddie-execs-fraud/52007522/1]Ex-Fannie, Freddie execs charged with fraud – USATODAY.com[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;931177]Just for clarification, it's the smallest percentage of increased spending since Eisenhower. :) He's a between 1-2% increase spending which is low. The problem is here, that the dummy before him jacked spending through the roof which makes the overall numbers huge. :([/quote][ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9gOk51hoqI"]Star Wars: "Who's the more foolish...the fool or the fool who follows him?" - YouTube[/ame]

So by your logic, Obama is an even bigger dummy than Bush since he still increased spending and did nothing to fix our broken entitlement system...wow, we agree on something political.

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Gotta love this, can't wait for Obama to be re-elected and see more of this type stuff once ObamaCare takes over the healthcare system.

"The gov't is smarter than you and know what's best for you, so do what we say or we'll pass laws making you do what we say."

[url=http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/voters_dislike_bloomberg_drinks_v3BMkspWNXEVG9BrSMg5jI]Mayor Bloomberg's plan to restrict baby formula and reduce size of sugary drinks doesn't sit well with voters - NYPOST.com[/url]

Even in the People's Republic of NY, they don't want the regulations on baby formula (now who's trying to tell women what to do with their bodies and their kids) and sodas.

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^ amazin this is what the media and the NY goverment is focused on. simply amazing.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;931271]So by your logic, Obama is an even bigger dummy than Bush since he still increased spending and did nothing to fix our broken entitlement system...wow, we agree on something political.[/quote]

He's not the bigger dummy because he didn't start the wars, but your point about him reducing spending is valid. I've always termed Obama's administration as Bush's third term.

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[quote=NC_Skins;931217]He should, but he's not.





The President has about as much influence on the economy as he does the weather. There are several key factors here. The global economy is one of those factors, and it affects ours just as ours affects theirs. The second factor is Congress. This is by far the most important as they dictate policy. Only THEY can implement a Presidents plan. Now, lets look back and see how the Republicans have stonewalled Obama his entire tenure unless it was somehow benefiting them.Congress has turned into a dog and pony show. Guess what? If Romney gets elected, what do you think the Dem controlled Senate is going to do after 4 years of the Republicans doing it? They are going to absolutely shit on any and all legislation so they can point the finger at him at the end of his term and say "Our candidate is better."[/quote]

When a Rep. is pres. its his fault and when a Dem is pres its everyone but his fault. LMAO If business perceives a pres and anti business either real of perceived then the president hurts the economy. The reason why Obama does not get the backing of congress is because he shit on them early and often in his administration. Bill Clinton, Ronald Regan, Bush Sr, and other president who knew how to lead could find common ground with others and work from there. Obama has had everything handed to him and does not know how to cross the line to get others to work with him. He is just a shitty leader that does not know how to get things done so he just ignores our constitution and does what he wants.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;931247]As long as he throws Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, and the CEOs of Fannie/Freddie in first.

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/story/2011-12-16/fannie-freddie-execs-fraud/52007522/1]Ex-Fannie, Freddie execs charged with fraud – USATODAY.com[/url][/quote]



Any Republicans you want to throw into the mix? Weren't they in charge 6 of the 8 years Bush was in office? Or are prison terms reserved for Democrats? Or perhaps you don't realize this guy is your leader?


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[quote=Giantone;931246]huh ?[/quote]

Obama is a bad man, he hates business and America...as Dirtbag wisely articulated, we got to stop the war on wall street. No Glass Steagall Act, no regulation. No loophole closures, no consumer protections. Time to free the crooks and let freedom reign.

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^^ Seeing the above. I still wonder why some of you continue to bicker about Obama, when the single biggest issue around is something you continue to ignore. I even made a thread on this, and not even one reply. Nothing.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-with-the-enemy/48688-take-money-run-office-expose-lobbying.html[/url]


Not busy enough to busy to bash the Democratic leader, but too busy to listen to podcast? Your politicians are bought and paid for.

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[quote=saden1;931304]Any Republicans you want to throw into the mix? Weren't they in charge 6 of the 8 years Bush was in office? Or are prison terms reserved for Democrats? Or perhaps you don't realize this guy is your leader?


[yt]MAC2xeT2yOg[/yt][/quote]Your video and point aren't relevant here. Your video talks about lobbyist money, yeah I get that. Lobbyists suck and they influence our system mostly in a negative way. But of every tobacco lobby, you've got a corresponding "environmental" (read anti-capitalist) or union lobby. Obama has taken this a step further by giving hundreds of millions (I think total is over $ 1B) in gov't backed loans to his cronies running green-energy companies with junk-bond ratings that go bankrupt.

You were talking about the Wall St. collapse, the folks most responsible in Congress are the ones I mention, plus Chucky. Bush, McCain, Greenspan and others in the GOP were sounding the alarms but the Dems continually shut down efforts to reign in Freddie/Fannie.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM"]Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial and housing crisis; meltdown - YouTube[/ame]

Instead of laying blame on the Ds in Congress, Dems/libs always want to put the blame on "Wall St.". Wall St. CEOs & board-members are split fairly even between D & R and they played by the rules set up by the Fed regarding mortgages.