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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1220905]All politicians are hypocrites and liars, that's for sure. The media and FBI did not have Obama Derangement Syndrome. If you think nothing illegal happened in 8 years, that's your prerogative.[/quote]
LOL, eight investigations into one person and they charged her with "bubkis!!!!!!!!

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[quote=MTK;1220928]I’m waiting to hear what happened and how many Obama associates were locked up


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No one got locked up because there wasn't a blatant witch hunt to get Obama by any means necessary. This last 2 years was a bullshit scam on America. If you think because no one went to jail that nothing illegal was going on that's also your prerogative. Not going to spend hours posting all the different scandals that if they happened under Trump would have ended far differently for the people involved.

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[quote=Giantone;1220929]LOL, eight investigations into one person and they charged her with "bubkis!!!!!!!![/quote]

Huh?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1220930]No one got locked up because there wasn't a blatant witch hunt to get Obama by any means necessary. This last 2 years was a bullshit scam on America. If you think because no one went to jail that nothing illegal was going on that's also your prerogative. Not going to spend hours posting all the different scandals that if they happened under Trump would have ended far differently for the people involved.[/quote]

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What the Hell happen?



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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1220930]No one got locked up because there wasn't a blatant witch hunt to get Obama by any means necessary. This last 2 years was a bullshit scam on America. If you think because no one went to jail that nothing illegal was going on that's also your prerogative. Not going to spend hours posting all the different scandals that if they happened under Trump would have ended far differently for the people involved.[/QUOTE]



Still waiting...


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[quote=MTK;1220944]Still waiting...


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You can wait all you want to. Not going to argue with you anymore about it. You can just keep pretending that there is absolutely no difference in how Congress, the media, and the FBI treated the Obama administration vs. the Trump administration. You're right, Obama had a perfect presidency, where nothing was ever done wrong. Because if no one went to jail, it didn't happen.

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Brilliant

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[quote=MTK;1220948]Brilliant

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Lol. I'm agreeable to cutting all aide to the rest of Mexico and giving it all to Cabo. I love that place.

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Its truly hilarious to watch the hit job on Joe Biden by his party. fucking hilarious

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1220905]All politicians are hypocrites and liars, that's for sure. The media and FBI did not have Obama Derangement Syndrome. If you think nothing illegal happened in 8 years, that's your prerogative.[/quote]

If you want to talk shit about the double standard, back it up. Sources please. And before you start, we both know Fox News is not a credible source.

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[quote=mooby;1220956]If you want to talk shit about the double standard, back it up. Sources please. And before you start, we both know Fox News is not a credible source.[/quote]

So a major news network is not a source because you don't like it? Yeah, not going to waste my time. Hopefully you don't take any news seriously from ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, etc. You don't want to believe there is a double standard because it hurts your arguments.

If you haven't heard about how the FBI and IRS has worked recently then you don't want to know, and nothing I post will make any difference anyways.

[url]https://www.amazon.com/Scandalous-Presidency-Barack-Obama/dp/1682615812[/url]

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[url]https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-bias-left-study/[/url]

[url]https://www.dailywire.com/news/43610/propagandists-emmy-award-winning-journalist-lara-amanda-prestigiacomo[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1220946]You can wait all you want to. Not going to argue with you anymore about it. You can just keep pretending that there is absolutely no difference in how Congress, the media, and the FBI treated the Obama administration vs. the Trump administration. You're right, Obama had a perfect presidency, where nothing was ever done wrong. Because if no one went to jail, it didn't happen.[/quote]

Did Obama have a perfect presidency? No, that's a pretty big reach. But are we conveniently ignoring how much shit the GOP gave him at every turn? McConnell blocked all his moves his last 1-2 years, wouldn't even give his SC nom a hearing, all the Fox News bs about how unpresidential his clothes were and seizing every opportunity to badmouth him.

The difference is we don't need to seize on nitpicky bs like the color of Trump's suit when he gives us easy nitpicky shit like "why does he say he's a genius but won't release his transcripts? Why does he say full exoneration when Barr's summary clearly says he's not exonerated? Why does he say he's one of the most successful businessmen ever but he won't release his tax returns?"

As red-blooded patriots love to say, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1220977]So a major news network is not a source because you don't like it? Yeah, not going to waste my time. Hopefully you don't take any news seriously from ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, etc. You don't want to believe there is a double standard because it hurts your arguments.

If you haven't heard about how the FBI and IRS has worked recently then you don't want to know, and nothing I post will make any difference anyways.

[URL]https://www.amazon.com/Scandalous-Presidency-Barack-Obama/dp/1682615812[/URL][/quote]

This is why Fox News isn't credible.

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/8qvozh/fox_news_mocked_for_praising_trumps_kim_jong_un/e0mf77a/[/URL]

And before you start the comeback before clicking the link, everything in that post is backed up with sources.

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[quote=mooby;1220983]This is why Fox News isn't credible.

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/8qvozh/fox_news_mocked_for_praising_trumps_kim_jong_un/e0mf77a/[/URL]

And before you start the comeback before clicking the link, everything in that post is backed up with sources.[/quote]

Sean Hannity is an opinion guy and a blowhard. I don't watch him or read him. Same way I don't watch Don Lemon or Rachel Maddow. But there are many actual reporters/journalists that write articles for Fox. To just disregard 100% of anything from Fox isn't fair. I don't think what makes it to TV is necessarily the best reflection of quality of reporting for any news organization, written articles are typically more helpful. Part of the reason I really don't watch news.

In regards to the FCC, I'm not for government doing anything that helps one side or the other that bends/changes policies to their benefit. If that's true its BS.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1220977]So a major news network is not a source because you don't like it? Yeah, not going to waste my time. Hopefully you don't take any news seriously from ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, etc. You don't want to believe there is a double standard because it hurts your arguments.

If you haven't heard about how the FBI and IRS has worked recently then you don't want to know, and nothing I post will make any difference anyways.

[url]https://www.amazon.com/Scandalous-Presidency-Barack-Obama/dp/1682615812[/url][/quote]

You say to disregard 100% of FOX is unfair yet you tell us you hope we don't take anything seriously from all other news stations.. ,do you own a mirror?

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[quote=Giantone;1220993]You say to disregard 100% of FOX is unfair yet you tell us you hope we don't take anything seriously from all other news stations.. ,do you own a mirror?[/quote]

My point was if you disregard 100% of a news organization then you should do the same for ones on the opposite side. Nice gotcha attempt. I typically don't get my political kind of news from any of the major networks or their sites but I don't automatically think every article is automatically 100% false. I like Fox' website for non-political stuff. Works good on my phone.

I should have stated:

Hopefully you don't take any news seriously from ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, etc. then too.

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Makes you think...........


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I just watched a 2 1/2 minute clip of him botching name after name. Seriously got to wonder if he’s got dementia.

[url]https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1114430790765404165?s=21[/url]


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JIC there's any confusion, Trump's father was born in NYC. You can see that from his birth certificate here:

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A WaPo writer literally went to the NYC Dept. of Records and dug that up, which was publically available.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/03/another-trump-birther-conspiracy-debunked-with-birth-certificate-this-time-his-father/?utm_term=.eb5645fc5f5c[/url]

Full disclosure, I really debated bringing this up because it's totally insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Trump is a liar, we all (hopefully) know that, with a long history of changing the narrative to serve him (i.e. "I'm fully exonerated" even when his handpicked AG says in his 4 page summary that he's not exonerated on the obstruction of justice charges). But if the guy is willing to lie about something in the public record that is sooooooooo easily verifiable, what else is he willing to lie about?

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[quote=mooby;1221130]JIC there's any confusion, Trump's father was born in NYC. You can see that from his birth certificate here:

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A WaPo writer literally went to the NYC Dept. of Records and dug that up, which was publically available.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/03/another-trump-birther-conspiracy-debunked-with-birth-certificate-this-time-his-father/?utm_term=.eb5645fc5f5c[/url]

Full disclosure, I really debated bringing this up because it's totally insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Trump is a liar, we all (hopefully) know that, with a long history of changing the narrative to serve him (i.e. "I'm fully exonerated" even when his handpicked AG says in his 4 page summary that he's not exonerated on the obstruction of justice charges). But if the guy is willing to lie about something in the public record that is sooooooooo easily verifiable, what else is he willing to lie about?[/quote]

You want me to start about all the times Obama lied? Obama scandals were serious as well..Fast and Furious gun scandal, the IRS targeting conservative groups and Benghazi. Significant

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[quote=Chico23231;1221142]You want me to start about all the times Obama lied? Obama scandals were serious as well..Fast and Furious gun scandal, the IRS targeting conservative groups and Benghazi. Significant[/quote]

LOL, an Obama deflection .Typical trump cult member response.

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[quote=Chico23231;1221142]You want me to start about all the times Obama lied? Obama scandals were serious as well..Fast and Furious gun scandal, the IRS targeting conservative groups and Benghazi. Significant[/quote]

Thats the difference between me and you Chico. You tow the party line, and will never come out publicly and say you disagree with any Trump decision. He has yet to do anything you seriously disagree with.

I on the other hand am perfectly willing to say H-Rod and Obama absolutely screwed up on Benghazi, initially blaming it on mob unrest when it was a coordinated attack by Al-Qaeda. Obviously they had their own motives for doing so, and in hindsight they made terrible choices when 4 Americans lost their lives in a terrorist attack on foreign soil.

And I also agree that the Fast & Furious gun scandal reflects terribly on the adminstration, but after reading back up on it it seems to reflect poorly more on the ATF than anything for allowing straw-purchased guns to cross the border. It looks bad that Obama invoked executive privilege to protect documents that had been subpoenaed by Congress in the investigation though.

What's your next scandal you want to discuss though?

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The biggest problem I have with trump is trump. He has reset the conversation and allowed certain things to become kosher.

Clear anti Semiticism opinions are okay now. Stacy Abrams...is allowed to claim she won an election when she clearly lost and even with 100% definition of she lost fair it doesn’t matter, people still believe she won, green new deal would bankrupt the country...somehow people believe it wouldn’t, AOC is allowed to spew lies daily...that’s okay now, Bernie not giving up his tax returns, Jussie smollet is a hero to some, etc

This country is worse now. What can we do? I don’t know, but fighting identity politics is where I would start. We need to realize we are living in the greatest time ever for everyone and we need to move forward together. Fighting one another based on false identity politics will ruin this country....we need to recognize what’s happening. We clearly aren’t and Obama started it and trump has continued it...not good

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[quote=Giantone;1221143]LOL, an Obama deflection .Typical trump cult member response.[/quote]

I’m just wondering why you were sleeping for 8 years.

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[quote=Chico23231;1221147]The biggest problem I have with trump is trump. He has reset the conversation and allowed certain things to become kosher.

Clear anti Semiticism opinions are okay now. Stacy Abrams...is allowed to claim she won an election when she clearly lost and even with 100% definition of she lost fair it doesn’t matter, people still believe she won, green new deal would bankrupt the country...somehow people believe it wouldn’t, AOC is allowed to spew lies daily...that’s okay now, Bernie not giving up his tax returns, Jussie smollet is a hero to some, etc

This country is worse now. What can we do? I don’t know, but fighting identity politics is where I would start. We need to realize we are living in the greatest time ever for everyone and we need to move forward together. Fighting one another based on false identity politics will ruin this country....we need to recognize what’s happening. We clearly aren’t and Obama started it and trump has continued it...not good[/quote]

You must not be in tune with the popular opinion, literally everybody, eeeeeeeeeeeeverybody I know, black, white, gay, straight, hood, suburban, foreign national, thinks Jussie Smollett is an idiot that is guilty as fuck. And the state attorney that let him off obviously did so because someone called in a favor on his behalf. At a minimum he should pay for the cost of the investigation, and then a fine to boot for wasting police resources. Idk that I'd put him in jail for anything more than a few days though.

And you right, Stacy Abrams did lose the election. But if you don't care that there's a clear conflict of interest that her opponent was the guy in charge of setting the rules that disenfranchised POC from voting then I can't help you. I vote in VA using nothing but my drivers license, and that's always been good enough. Making people jump through ridiculous hoops to have their vote count needs to be banned.

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[quote=mooby;1221149]You must not be in tune with the popular opinion, literally everybody, eeeeeeeeeeeeverybody I know, black, white, gay, straight, hood, suburban, foreign national, thinks Jussie Smollett is an idiot that is guilty as fuck. And the state attorney that let him off obviously did so because someone called in a favor on his behalf. At a minimum he should pay for the cost of the investigation, and then a fine to boot for wasting police resources. Idk that I'd put him in jail for anything more than a few days though.

And you right, Stacy Abrams did lose the election. But if you don't care that there's a clear conflict of interest that her opponent was the guy in charge of setting the rules that disenfranchised POC from voting then I can't help you. I vote in VA using nothing but my drivers license, and that's always been good enough. Making people jump through ridiculous hoops to have their vote count needs to be banned.[/quote]

I’m gonna continue to fight identity politics..whomever fights it with me I’ll vote for them. D/R...doesn’t matter anymore...we must fight identity politics period.

If you for one moment believe Stacy abrams and her bullshit, then you aren’t with me.

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[quote=Chico23231;1221148]I’m just wondering why you were sleeping for 8 years.[/quote]

Typical trump move can't defend himself so attack ,even if it's ignorant.

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This was a sidebar poll on RealClearPolitics:

Favorability Ratings: U.S. Political Leaders

Politician Ratings pos neg Spread
Donald Trump 41.8 53.1 -11.3
Nancy Pelosi 36.8 51.0 -14.2
Mitch McConnell 24.8 46.5 -21.7
Chuck Schumer 28.0 41.0 -13.0

When will enough be enough for the whole political caste...

[URL="https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/other/FavorabilityRatingsPoliticalLeaders.html"]RCP Favorability polls[/URL]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1221533]This was a sidebar poll on RealClearPolitics:

Favorability Ratings: U.S. Political Leaders

Politician Ratings pos neg Spread
Donald Trump 41.8 53.1 -11.3
Nancy Pelosi 36.8 51.0 -14.2
Mitch McConnell 24.8 46.5 -21.7
Chuck Schumer 28.0 41.0 -13.0

When will enough be enough for the whole political caste...

[URL="https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/other/FavorabilityRatingsPoliticalLeaders.html"]RCP Favorability polls[/URL][/quote]

I am not sure what it speaks of to me but I am shocked that Pelosi ever had over a 50% favorability rating.

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[url]https://www.thewrap.com/buzzfeed-finally-updates-story-that-claimed-trump-directed-michael-cohen-to-lie-to-congress/amp/?__twitter_impression=true[/url]

BuzzFeed Finally Updates Story That Claimed Trump ‘Directed’ Michael Cohen to Lie to Congress

Here’s buzzfeed falling on their sword around that bullshit story every mainstream media outlet pushed that was fake news several months ago. It’s kinda scary to think Facebook and social media have been rightfully criticized for spreading fake information but when mainstream media perpetuates it, folks simply look the other way.


Here's a great article about how CNN and MSNBC propped up a piece of shit as some sort of liberal hero:

[url]https://thefederalist.com/2019/03/28/cnn-and-msnbc-made-shakedown-artist-michael-avenatti-a-household-name/[/url]

"How CNN And MSNBC Made Shakedown Artist Michael Avenatti A Household Name"

The Media Research Center found that in a 10-week span last spring, from March to May, Avenatti was interviewed a whopping 147 times. Neither of those totals include additional segments about Avenatti, where he was the subject of news, but not interviewed. In 2018, CNN gave him the most airtime, with 107 live interviews. MSNBC came in a close second at 81

Amazing stuff

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[quote=Chico23231;1221587][url]https://www.thewrap.com/buzzfeed-finally-updates-story-that-claimed-trump-directed-michael-cohen-to-lie-to-congress/amp/?__twitter_impression=true[/url]

BuzzFeed Finally Updates Story That Claimed Trump ‘Directed’ Michael Cohen to Lie to Congress

Here’s buzzfeed falling on their sword around that bullshit story every mainstream media outlet pushed that was fake news several months ago. It’s kinda scary to think Facebook and social media have been rightfully criticized for spreading fake information but when mainstream media perpetuates it, folks simply look the other way.


Here's a great article about how CNN and MSNBC propped up a piece of shit as some sort of liberal hero:

[url]https://thefederalist.com/2019/03/28/cnn-and-msnbc-made-shakedown-artist-michael-avenatti-a-household-name/[/url]

"How CNN And MSNBC Made Shakedown Artist Michael Avenatti A Household Name"

The Media Research Center found that in a 10-week span last spring, from March to May, Avenatti was interviewed a whopping 147 times. Neither of those totals include additional segments about Avenatti, where he was the subject of news, but not interviewed. In 2018, CNN gave him the most airtime, with 107 live interviews. MSNBC came in a close second at 81

Amazing stuff[/quote]

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This movie is awesome.

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Trump just can't STFU!


[url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mueller-report-trump-says-nobody-disobeys-my-orders-after-report-shows-staff-ignoring-him/[/url]

Documented proof his lawyer saved his tangerine ass by ignoring his order and trump says this shit!


President Trump took issue Monday with special counsel Robert Mueller's portrayal of a White House staff that frequently ignored his demands. Mr. Trump, taking a few questions from reporters on the sidelines of the White House Easter Egg Roll on Monday morning, said no one in the administration disobeys him.


"Nobody disobeys my orders," said Mr. Trump in response to a question about whether he's worried about a staff that ignores his requests.

Mueller's report paints a picture of staff members who often ignored commands they viewed as legally or otherwise dubious, such as when Mr. Trump directed then-White House Counsel Don McGahn to fire Mueller. McGahn refused the president's order, threatening to resign instead and telling a colleague the president asked him to do "crazy sh**" for him.

Mueller's report also revealed that the president ordered ally Corey Lewandowski to tell then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions to limit the scope of the Russia investigation to possible election-meddling only. Lewandowski didn't follow through.

"The president's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the president decline to carry out orders or accede to his requests," Mueller's report asserted.

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I'm not reading those articles, because its not my argument, but any article by The Atlantic is a non starter. And there are sites on the right you could say the same for.

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Every liberal who is driven insane by Trump needs to step back and think why he was elected. He was elected because they nominated a piece of human garbage considered worse than he was. If the 2016 presidential election in the USA wasn't Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich give me another example. For the record I always vote, even in special elections for dog catcher, I don't believe in wasting votes as in voting for 3rd party candidates with no chance. I tried to pick one, but ended up writing in Will Seemore.

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[quote=gmiujk;1221732]I'm not reading those articles, because its not my argument, but any article by The Atlantic is a non starter. And there are sites on the right you could say the same for.[/quote]

Bold 1st post. Very bold.

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[quote=gmiujk;1221732]I'm not reading those articles, because its not my argument, but any article by The Atlantic is a non starter. And there are sites on the right you could say the same for.[/quote]

You might be the 1st warpather here who's 1st comment was in the political section. Bold move Cotton.

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Any liberal notice how every word out of the mouth of AOC is broadcast everywhere on liberal media sites? Why is that? She seems to have taken over for Maxine Waters for spewing nonsense and garbage, that gets covered front and center. Trump is a pathetic joke, but he still looks like a Mensa candidate compared to those two.