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Definitely don't agree with censoring Rogan. If anything it's entertaining how much of a moron he is at times.

Like here where he gets fact checked live yet can't admit he's wrong

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[quote=nonniey;1308428]From your response it seems like you only read the first paragraph. Why does that not surprise me?[/quote]

Ahh coming from someone who condemns all Unions because of some stuff in 1977 in another Country. Yes Rogan should be shut down because his information is not only wrong it 's dangerous. Same as that asswipe former president who's followers stormed the Capital. You can't scream fire in a crowed movie theater and call it free speech! You can't lie about the Vaccine and then blame others when people die.

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[quote=MTK;1308444]Definitely don't agree with censoring Rogan. If anything it's entertaining how much of a moron he is at times.

Like here where he gets fact checked live yet can't admit he's wrong

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He says some dumb stuff for sure. I just don’t get the not taking a vaccine but then be ok with unproven therapeutics? I don’t know if that’s in this clip, but his remarks in the past have reflected it.

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[quote=Giantone;1308453]Ahh coming from someone who condemns all Unions because of some stuff in 1977 in another Country. Yes Rogan should be shut down because his information is not only wrong it 's dangerous. Same as that asswipe former president who's followers stormed the Capital. You can't scream fire in a crowed movie theater and call it free speech! You can't lie about the Vaccine and then blame others when people die.[/quote]

Damn you really only did read the first paragraph, even after other poster's ( who usually agree with you) comments essentially refuted your take. Why don't you go back and read the entire article so you become a bit more informed on what you are commenting on.

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[quote=nonniey;1308499]Damn you really only did read the first paragraph, even after other poster's ( who usually agree with you) comments essentially refuted your take. Why don't you go back and read the entire article so you become a bit more informed on what you are commenting on.[/quote]

You make many assumptions .

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[quote=nonniey;1308394]2d good article in 2 days from Unherd. They weren't on my radar before, will have to pay attention to them.

[url]https://unherd.com/2022/01/we-need-to-talk-about-the-vaccines/[/url][/quote]

I finally had a chance to sit down and read this. There are some interesting points. Notably should a podcast be treated as media and therefore subjected to same censorship when they intentionally disperse false information. Yet we know that is loosely followed in our country anyways so the idea of censoring him would be political posturing IMO.

I do have a problem with some of his logic. In his analysis of the first claim he uses the phrase "we know" when referring to studies but then referring to exact same issue and discussion of the longitudinal effects of myocarditis says "too early to know full effects" IMO that would be a classic example of logical fallacy especially since he doesn't reference higher rates of myocarditis in unvaccinated youth that end up with Covid. Once again longitudinally too early to tell if there is significance but I see no problem with acknowledging the difference between acute and chronic in these opinions and he should have.

His analysis of the second claim was well. I do wish he would have tackled the topic question more head on what in the policy and why it ignores. I think it would have opened a some interesting discussion.

I am not going to even touch that third claim.

The analysis of the fourth claim I think we have to be mindful that the opinion of an individual should have no bearing on the uncovering of facts. However I think we probably all agree that cherry picking facts to fit a narrative is a live and well.

I really enjoy reading those articles. Thanks for sharing.

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[quote=SunnySide;1308397]Theres 2 types of people in this world .. assholes and people who dont litter. I fucking hate litterers.

nonniery - that was a good article.[/quote]

Why can't I be both?

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Intelligencer article from Jonathan Chait. (Interesting to see a progressive writer attack the progressive position on school closures).

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/school-closures-were-a-catastrophe-progressives-still-havent-reckoned-with-it/ar-AASRK6I[/url]

"Recently, Nate Silver found himself in the unenviable role of main character of the day on Twitter because he proposed that school closures were a “disastrous, invasion-of-Iraq magnitude (or perhaps greater) policy decision." The comparison generated overwhelming anger and mockery, and it is not an easy one to defend: A fiasco that led to hundreds of thousands of deaths and rearranged the regional power structure is a very high bar to clear. Weighing policy failures in such utterly different realms to each other is so inherently difficult that any discussion quickly devolves into “Could Superman beat up Mighty Mouse?” territory.
But these complications do not fully explain the sheer rage generated by Silver. The furnace-hot backlash seemed to be triggered by Silver’s assumption that school closings were not only a mistake — a possibility many progressives have quietly begun to accept — but an error of judgment that was sufficiently consequential and foreseeable that we can’t just shrug it off as a bad dice roll. It was a historic blunder that reveals some deeper flaw in the methods that produced it and which demands corrective action.

That unnerving implication has a mounting pile of evidence to support it. It is now indisputable, and almost undisputed, that the year and a quarter of virtual school imposed devastating consequences on the students who endured it. Studies have found that virtual school left students nearly half a year behind pace, on average, with the learning loss falling disproportionately on low-income, Latino, and Black students. Perhaps a million students functionally dropped out of school altogether. .......What happened next was truly disturbing: The left by and large rejected this evidence. Progressives were instead carried along by two predominant impulses. One was a zero-COVID policy that refused to weigh the trade-off of any measure that could even plausibly claim to suppress the pandemic. The other was deference to teachers unions, who were organizing to keep schools closed. Those strands combined into a refusal to acknowledge the scale or importance of losing in-person learning with a moralistic insistence that anybody who disagreed was callous about death or motivated by greed.

Social scientists have measured the factors that drove schools to stay closed last year. One study found schools with unionized teachers, more of which were located in more Democratic-voting districts, were more likely to remain all virtual. Another likewise found “local political partisanship and union strength,” rather than the local severity of COVID, predicted school closing..... "

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Another interesting article for Unherd.

[url]https://unherd.com/2022/02/were-masks-a-waste-of-time/[/url]

..."Only a few skeptical observers drilled into the data that could be found on sites such as the New York Times — even if the paper’s own reporters made little of it. The most prolific of these was Ian Miller, who over the past two years has published copious data-driven commentary on the track record of various Covid public health interventions.....

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[quote=nonniey;1310245]Another interesting article for Unherd.

[url]https://unherd.com/2022/02/were-masks-a-waste-of-time/[/url]

..."Only a few skeptical observers drilled into the data that could be found on sites such as the New York Times — even if the paper’s own reporters made little of it. The most prolific of these was Ian Miller, who over the past two years has published copious data-driven commentary on the track record of various Covid public health interventions.....[/quote]

But as Miller notes, it was not just during the early months of the pandemic that officials said masks were ineffective. They had said so for years, and Fauci had advised against masks not just in public statements but in private emails in early 2020.

^^ from the article

Fauci wrote: "Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection.

"The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you

^^ this is the actual email (assuming author is referring to this feb '20 email). Pretty clear Dr. Fauci did not say masks are ineffective like the author blanket states.

Me personally ... i think they should have said from day 1 that only N95 or similar masks are truly effective and that the clothe masks are only good for spittle or droplets. I understand the logic being the "noble lie" but it did more harm than good. People think these clothe masks being made in grandmas basement = mask.

But Trump wanted to downplay or temper any panic so he scuttled the idea of sending every american family N95s ...

N95s should have been given to everyone free of charge day 1.

I was in harris Teeter 2 days ago and they just box after box, thousands of N95 masks for free. I could have taken 100 if I wanted. This should have been the scene from day 1.

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[quote=SunnySide;1310275]But as Miller notes, it was not just during the early months of the pandemic that officials said masks were ineffective. They had said so for years, and Fauci had advised against masks not just in public statements but in private emails in early 2020.

^^ from the article

Fauci wrote: "Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection.

"The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you

^^ this is the actual email (assuming author is referring to this feb '20 email). Pretty clear Dr. Fauci did not say masks are ineffective like the author blanket states.

Me personally ... i think they should have said from day 1 that only N95 or similar masks are truly effective and that the clothe masks are only good for spittle or droplets. I understand the logic being the "noble lie" but it did more harm than good. People think these clothe masks being made in grandmas basement = mask.

But Trump wanted to downplay or temper any panic so he scuttled the idea of sending every american family N95s ...

N95s should have been given to everyone free of charge day 1.

I was in harris Teeter 2 days ago and they just box after box, thousands of N95 masks for free. I could have taken 100 if I wanted. This should have been the scene from day 1.[/quote]

From day 1, they didn't have it on day 1 . Many of these articles are what I call Monday Morning QB shit. Great to be right 2 years after the fact. As for schools and kids ,everyone knew it would have a negative impact on the kids but as is the case now ,no one cared about what happen to the Teachers as did no one care about the people working in the Super Markets . No one knew exactly how to handle a pandemic. Masks did help believe or don't but they did.

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[quote=Giantone;1310284]From day 1, they didn't have it on day 1 . Many of these articles are what I call Monday Morning QB shit. Great to be right 2 years after the fact. As for schools and kids ,everyone knew it would have a negative impact on the kids but as is the case now ,no one cared about what happen to the Teachers as did no one care about the people working in the Super Markets . No one knew exactly how to handle a pandemic. Masks did help believe or don't but they did.[/quote]

Masks definitely helped. Certain masks helped more than others. And I agree, lots of monday morning quarterbacking re covid.

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[quote=SunnySide;1310287]Masks definitely helped. Certain masks helped more than others. And I agree, lots of monday morning quarterbacking re covid.[/quote]

Yup a lot of the so called experts were wrong about a lot of things. Cloth masks - wrong, lockdowns- wrong, lab leak - wrong. School policy - big time wrong, clownish actually

Watching these blue states suddenly change policy just this week together is really something. New Jersey governor actually said he went to focus groups and based the change there…actually admitted it wasn’t based on science. They are making these changes simply based on politics.

Thanks Glenn Youngkin in getting a bi-partisan bill passed and setting the debate as other states just this week have followed your lead

Virginia Senate passes bill to make masks optional in schools

[url]https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/virginia/senate-lawmakers-in-virginia-passes-bill-that-would-give-parents-option-to-mask-up-their-kids/65-3724557c-d314-4947-8e56-3fa431f00605[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1310307]Yup a lot of the so called experts were wrong about a lot of things. Cloth masks - wrong, lockdowns- wrong, lab leak - wrong. School policy - big time wrong, clownish actually

Watching these blue states suddenly change policy just this week together is really something. New Jersey governor actually said he went to focus groups and based the change there…actually admitted it wasn’t based on science. They are making these changes simply based on politics.

Thanks Glenn Youngkin in getting a bi-partisan bill passed and setting the debate as other states just this week have followed your lead

Virginia Senate passes bill to make masks optional in schools

[url]https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/virginia/senate-lawmakers-in-virginia-passes-bill-that-would-give-parents-option-to-mask-up-their-kids/65-3724557c-d314-4947-8e56-3fa431f00605[/url][/quote]
chico, the stupid just flows from you, you seem not to be able to stop it?

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I saw this snippet in the WaPo roundup this morning and thought it was pretty accurate.

[quote=WaPo]
Arguably the best response to the pandemic happened under Trump: Harnessing the power of the private sector to produce a safe, effective vaccine that today is the best weapon against covid. So did the worst thing: Sowing politically driven anti-vaccine doubts, chiefly from conservative politicians and the right-wing media ecosystem. The overwhelming majority of Americans dying from the virus is unvaccinated.
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[quote=mooby;1310337]I saw this snippet in the WaPo roundup this morning and thought it was pretty accurate.[/quote]

Sadly you can see what trump actually had his hands on and what he didn't. The people around him are the ones that got the vaccine going , the anti vacc is all trump himself.

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[quote=Giantone;1310339]Sadly you can see what trump actually had his hands on and what he didn't. The people around him are the ones that got the vaccine going , the anti vacc is all trump himself.[/quote]

I mean I'm more willing to give credit where it's due. Trump definitely played a role in aligning his policy with the private sector to get the vaccine rolling.

He also played a big role in his anti-establishment "you can't trust the gov't" platform that anti-vaccers love to spout.

G1 I sympathize - it's so easy to hate on Trump for literally almost everything else he's done. But he played a role - whether big or small is debateable - in getting the ball rolling with the vaccine.

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[quote=mooby;1310337]I saw this snippet in the WaPo roundup this morning and thought it was pretty accurate.[/quote]

Lol, yeah except I wonder who did the sowing exactly? I do think trump and his administration made mistakes…no doubt. But let’s look at the sowing:

Let me know Mooby if you want me the post the all the media headlines again of “don’t worry about covid, the flu is more deadly” when this started. Or the Pelosi, Biden quotes about closing the borders is racist. Or the quotes promoted by sometimes paid dem pundits of not taking the Trump vaccine which was rushed…or the Kamala Harris quote of not trusting the vaccine made by Trump prior to the election. Gaslighting is immensely dishonest. How about the changing, inconsistent messaging by the CDC?

This isn’t a one way street. Jfc Biden was handed everything and even got a huge bill together and passed and still failed to deliver results on covid. His strategy has been a failure.

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[quote=Chico23231;1310343]Lol, yeah except I wonder who did the sowing exactly? I do think trump and his administration made mistakes…no doubt. But let’s look at the sowing:

Let me know Mooby if you want me the post the all the media headlines again of “don’t worry about covid, the flu is more deadly” when this started. Or the Pelosi, Biden quotes about closing the borders is racist. Or the quotes promoted by sometimes paid dem pundits of not taking the Trump vaccine which was rushed…or the Kamala Harris quote of not trusting the vaccine made by Trump prior to the election. Gaslighting is immensely dishonest. How about the changing, inconsistent messaging by the CDC?

This isn’t a one way street. Jfc Biden was handed everything and even got a huge bill together and passed and still failed to deliver results on covid. His strategy has been a failure.[/quote]

JHC, stop the stupid chico .Mooby is actually defending your dirt bag guy and you still come out and lie.LIFG!

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[quote=mooby;1310342]I mean I'm more willing to give credit where it's due. Trump definitely played a role in aligning his policy with the private sector to get the vaccine rolling.

He also played a big role in his anti-establishment "you can't trust the gov't" platform that anti-vaccers love to spout.

G1 I sympathize - it's so easy to hate on Trump for literally almost everything else he's done. But he played a role - whether big or small is debateable - in getting the ball rolling with the vaccine.[/quote]

mooby, I just see through the trump lies and BS ,the stuff chico throws out there. Anything good that happen during his time was done in spite of him not because of him. We can't loose sight of that fact.

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[quote=nonniey;1310245]Another interesting article for Unherd.

[url]https://unherd.com/2022/02/were-masks-a-waste-of-time/[/url]

..."Only a few skeptical observers drilled into the data that could be found on sites such as the New York Times — even if the paper’s own reporters made little of it. The most prolific of these was Ian Miller, who over the past two years has published copious data-driven commentary on the track record of various Covid public health interventions.....[/quote]

While I don't disagree with the authors assertion on cloth masks and the use of mandates as well. The logic is woefully flawed and really part of the problem. First nobody should use data collected by NY Times as anything reliable for a data driven analysis. The inability to decipher which variables are evident and which are not. It is akin to saying California has the worst state wide air quality therefore their air control mandates are ineffective. It really is part of the problem with the division between the narratives.

I also really dislike how he uses the unmeetable expectations of wearing masks and the potential for health effects due to bacterial growth inside the masks. By that logic we should never wear underwear because if you wear them longer than you should it increases the likelihood of fungal infections. Yet that argument is absurd. We know to change our underwear people wearing masks should know to change them too.

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[quote=Chico23231;1310343]Lol, yeah except I wonder who did the sowing exactly? I do think trump and his administration made mistakes…no doubt. But let’s look at the sowing:

Let me know Mooby if you want me the post the all the media headlines again of “don’t worry about covid, the flu is more deadly” when this started. Or the Pelosi, Biden quotes about closing the borders is racist. Or the quotes promoted by sometimes paid dem pundits of not taking the Trump vaccine which was rushed…or the Kamala Harris quote of not trusting the vaccine made by Trump prior to the election. Gaslighting is immensely dishonest. How about the changing, inconsistent messaging by the CDC?

This isn’t a one way street. Jfc Biden was handed everything and even got a huge bill together and passed and still failed to deliver results on covid. His strategy has been a failure.[/quote]

You can do whatever you want, 'tis a free country after all.

After all these years you still think it's gonna click for either one of us and it will all make sense? Keep fighting the good fight Chico.

If you really want, go ahead and tell me your 5 point plan to make dumbass anti-vaccers/freedom lovers trust a liberal government. Keep in mind though, the only time Trump has ever been booed by his base was when he was promoting the vaccine.

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[quote=mooby;1310358]You can do whatever you want, 'tis a free country after all.

After all these years you still think it's gonna click for either one of us and it will all make sense? Keep fighting the good fight Chico.

If you really want, go ahead and tell me your 5 point plan to make dumbass anti-vaccers/freedom lovers trust a liberal government. Keep in mind though, the only time Trump has ever been booed by his base was when he was promoting the vaccine.[/quote]

I still have hope for you Mooby! You will come around, we will get through this together!

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Lol at CDC changing mask mandate recommendations within a week of Biden's 1st SoU.

Purely a coincidence I'm sure.

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I know the schools here in NJ have been telling us they were going to change mask mandate for weeks. This date was sent a while ago. It is [emoji817] coincidence.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1311457]Lol at CDC changing mask mandate recommendations within a week of Biden's 1st SoU.

Purely a coincidence I'm sure.[/quote]

The science didn’t change, the political science changed.

They can’t hide from their terrible policies especially in the schools.

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[quote=Chico23231;1311461]The science didn’t change, the political science changed.

They can’t hide from their terrible policies especially in the schools.[/quote]

LOL, leave it to chico to keep the republican stupid going!


chico loves these two............


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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1311461]The science didn’t change, the political science changed.

They can’t hide from their terrible policies especially in the schools.[/QUOTE]


This is such fabricated bullshit. I think it is pretty fucking obvious that the virus is tailing off and the cdc, and everyone else in the world realizes now that this is something we can/must live with. If it wasn’t for fabricated bullshit about vaccines we would be back to normal a year ago.

Or are you just trolling again?

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Thank god the precious children have been unmasked. What are those whiny-ass buttercup parents going to complain about now? Congrats you are raising the future shit heads of America.

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My wife is a teacher and thank god they didn’t bow down to the rights precious civil liberties and unmask the kids too soon and she didn’t die because of it. Others did. What a load of absolute dumb ass bullshit to call it political science. Get a fuckin hold of yourself Chico. Take off ur tinfoil hat, and get a hold of yourself please.

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[quote=MTK;1311480]Thank god the precious children have been unmasked. What are those whiny-ass buttercup parents going to complain about now? Congrats you are raising the future shit heads of America.[/quote]

We have a group called Republican Women of Baltimore County and they have been railing about pulling this book called Gender, Queer calling it child pornography. Instead of saying hey we encourage parents to talk to their kids learn about what is going on in their lives and actually be involved they instead are going to ban books and try to force schools to be the moral upbringing of our kids because they don't want to parent anymore.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1311491]We have a group called Republican Women of Baltimore County and they have been railing about pulling this book called Gender, Queer calling it child pornography. Instead of saying hey we encourage parents to talk to their kids learn about what is going on in their lives and actually be involved they instead are going to ban books and try to force schools to be the moral upbringing of our kids because they don't want to parent anymore.[/quote]

Small minded people doing small minded things.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1311492] Evil, self righteous , narrow minded people doing small minded things.[/QUOTE]


Fify. Calling them small minded is giving them a pass as if they don’t get it. They get it. They just don’t give a shit.

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[quote=punch it in;1311478]This is such fabricated bullshit. I think it is pretty fucking obvious that the virus is tailing off and the cdc, [I][B]and everyone else in the world realizes now that this is something we can/must live with[/B][/I]. If it wasn’t for fabricated bullshit about vaccines we would be back to normal a year ago.

Or are you just trolling again?[/quote]

A lot of folks realized this last year and some even before…but if you said it you were criticized.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1311494]A lot of folks realized this last year and some even before…but if you said it you were criticized.[/QUOTE]


A year ago and before it wasn’t something we could live with Chico. It is now tailing off so now we can lift restrictions. On top of that there was still hope that anti vaxxers would change their minds. I mean this really feels like explaining 2 + 2 = 4 to you.

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A building is on fire. We cant go in. Everyone is giving a hose (shot) and ppe (mask). For two years some people do their job and help put the fire out while others bitch and moan about the fire. Between the people doing their jobs and the fire burning itself out it is now safe to go back in. All the anti maskers and anti vaxxers should be thanking all of us fire fighters now, but instead they are standing therd going see i told ya it was nothing. Meanwhile the building (millions of people) died because of the ones who chose to complain instead of help fight the fire, and they have the audacity to say “i told ya we could go back in”. Its fucking lunacy.

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[quote=punch it in;1311495]A year ago and before it wasn’t something we could live with Chico. It is now tailing off so now we can lift restrictions. On top of that there was still hope that anti vaxxers would change their minds. I mean this really feels like explaining 2 + 2 = 4 to you.[/quote]

Feb 28 2021 cases count Virginia: new case count 59 Avg. 7 day 71

Feb 28 2022 cases count Virginia: new case count 200 Avg 7 day 64

Source: NYT

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1311497]Feb 28 2021 cases count Virginia: new case count 59 Avg. 7 day 71

Feb 28 2022 cases count Virginia: new case count 200 Avg 7 day 64

Source: NYT[/QUOTE]


If you think this virus was as burnt out a year ago as it is now all i can say is thank God u r in charge of nothing except your keyboard, and that should probably be taken away from you.

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[quote=punch it in;1311496]A building is on fire. We cant go in. Everyone is giving a hose (shot) and ppe (mask). For two years some people do their job and help put the fire out while others bitch and moan about the fire. Between the people doing their jobs and the fire burning itself out it is now safe to go back in. All the anti maskers and anti vaxxers should be thanking all of us fire fighters now, but instead they are standing therd going see i told ya it was nothing. Meanwhile the building (millions of people) died because of the ones who chose to complain instead of help fight the fire, and they have the audacity to say “i told ya we could go back in”. Its fucking lunacy.[/quote]

If this had been a more deadly pandemic we'd be so fucked right now. Next time we may not be so lucky.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1311499]If this had been a more deadly pandemic we'd be so fucked right now. Next time we may not be so lucky.[/QUOTE]


One of us wouldn’t be here to have this exchange. Maybe both. It should absolutely freak everyone out but the idiots will not see this which is just scary AF.