[QUOTE=skin4Life28]I love Lavar and his energy that he brings to the game. I would have to say so far he has not really proven anything yet. He doesnt even have a 100 tackle season. For those who are saying Urlacher is overrated are crazy. The man has had in all of his four seasons 100 plus tackles. If you compare the two players you tell me who has done more.[/QUOTE]

You can't compare an outside LB with a middle LB on stats alone. A MLB almost always has more tackles. Trotter had over 100 last year, and he's being cut.
That said, I agree that LaVar definitely has not lived up to his potential yet, but IMO he's not overrated. Neither is Samuels, he has just had two years of nagging injuries combined with an awful scheme.

I think both of them will really come in to their own with the new coaching staff....especially next year with a season under their belts. And that pretty much goes for the entire team.

The Pats dont win the Super Bowl with Bledsoe for one reason, Brady is a lot smarter. Drew has the cannon but Brady makes a lot of smart decisions and plays to his strenths.

This is going to make a lot of people mad but I think the most overrated Redskin is Fred Smoot. With Fred there always seems to be a lot of excuses, such as he gets the ball thrown his way more because peopel dont throw against Bailey. Well the fact is that he has had the ball thrown his way more, and he goes for the pick more than he goes for the smart play and gets burnt a lot. Im not doubting his ability to be a leader, hes definitly the voice of our defense right now. But in terms of his skills I think there are more reasons why he hasnt been great instaed of proff why he is. If we didnt get springs and if Smoot was playing the starting wide out I think we'd get burnt everyweek.

[QUOTE=BrudLee]No doubt 8588, he's in the top three or four in his profession. I just don't think he's the main reason the Pats won those championships, which some previous posts semmed to alude to. The defense, some clutch passing to smart receivers (get out of bounds!!!), and great special teams play were all part of the winning equation.[/QUOTE]

You are right it was a combination of special teams and haveing receivers that knew where they were on the field and able to get out of bounds. My point that I am trying to make here is that MVP stands for MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. As for Vinatieri being the main reason the Pats won those super bowls, I will agree that it was not just him. With that IMO Vinatieri should have still ben the MVP of that game, it all came down to his kick in that last seconds of the most important game of the season. If Brady threw the game winning touchdown then yes I could see how he would be considered the MVP.

Look at Ace Ventura: Pet Detective, look at what missing a GAME WINNING field goal can do to a kicker. :laughing-

lol. I love that movie.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I give alot of credit to Vinatieri, he's definitely a clutch kicker, but I just have a hard time giving more credit for two championship seasons to a kicker over a QB.[/QUOTE]

Why? Only because he is a kicker?

The kicking game can win you games, but it cant put you in position to win games. The Patriots didnt rely on Vinateri to win all their games, he came up big a few times but 9/10 it was Brady putting the game away with touchdowns. You win the close ones with those last minute field goals, but you need the QB to get you into range.

[QUOTE=Redskins8588]I have to disagree with you on this one. All Tom Brady did when he won those Super Bowls was what Trent Dilfer did when the Ravens won there super bowl. They both rode there Defense to victories and did not make stupid mistakes on offense.

Does that mean that Trent Dilfer is underrated also?[/QUOTE]

Did you watch either of the two Superbowls the Pats won?
In this last one Tom Brady was named Super Bowl MVP after throwing for 354 yards and three touchdowns. I guess you think the defense threw those passes? Great quarterbacks give their best performances in the biggest games, and that was exactly what Brady did. Twice. In Super Bowl XXXVI, he marched the Patriots to the winning points against the St. Louis Rams. In Super Bowl XXXVIII, he marched the Patriots to the winning points against the Carolina Panthers. Both times with just seconds left on the clock and he saved the DEFENSE after the defense gave up the lead really late in both games.
Brady's numbers alone in Superbowl XXXVIII : 32 completions in 48 attempts for 354 yards and three touchdowns. The 32 completions broke a Super Bowl record.

I think you are also unaware that in 2001, Brady took over for a terrible performing and injured QB Drew Bledsoe and the Pats were 1-3. His play is credited for turning the team around and they went 13-2 the rest of the year and won the Super Bowl. I should know, I lived in Boston from 2000-2004. The defense did not start playing well untill late in the 2001 season. By then Brady had already turned the team around.

Also if you remember correctly Bledsoe did come in and do what he had to do against the Steelers in Pittsburgh to put the Pats in the super bowl that year, and the media had a field day trying to start a QB controversy right before the super bowl.

[QUOTE=Redskins8588]Also if you remember correctly Bledsoe did come in and do what he had to do against the Steelers in Pittsburgh to put the Pats in the super bowl that year, and the media had a field day trying to start a QB controversy right before the super bowl.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, but what has Bledsoe done since? The Bills have drafted a replacement and asked Bledsoe to take a pay cut or get cut. It is little reported but, Pro Bowl Offensive Guard Rueben Brown was suspeneded and traded because he got into a huge fight with our new Defensive coach Williams over Bledsoe. Williams wanted Bledsoe to get benched. Which is what all of Buffalo wanted. Williams stuck by Bledsoe and failed. He got fired.

Well thats good for Bledsoe, I really do not think that he is overrated nor do I think that he is underrated.

Even, in some magical world, it was Bledsoe that led the Pats to the game winning field goal in the super bowls, I would still feel that the MVP should have ben the guy that got them the victory with one chance left in the game, who came in under all that pressure and has to perform only on 1 play.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]This is going to make a lot of people mad but I think the most overrated Redskin is Fred Smoot. With Fred there always seems to be a lot of excuses, such as he gets the ball thrown his way more because peopel dont throw against Bailey. Well the fact is that he has had the ball thrown his way more, and he goes for the pick more than he goes for the smart play and gets burnt a lot. Im not doubting his ability to be a leader, hes definitly the voice of our defense right now. But in terms of his skills I think there are more reasons why he hasnt been great instaed of proff why he is. If we didnt get springs and if Smoot was playing the starting wide out I think we'd get burnt everyweek.[/QUOTE]

Smoot overrrated!! Well it's nice been having you here but you're banned! LOL. J/K

I understand what you're saying about Smoot. But I think if given the opportunity to go up against the top receiver each week he's matured these last three years where he could more than hold his own

[QUOTE=Redskins8588]Well thats good for Bledsoe, I really do not think that he is overrated nor do I think that he is underrated.

Even, in some magical world, it was Bledsoe that led the Pats to the game winning field goal in the super bowls, I would still feel that the MVP should have ben the guy that got them the victory with one chance left in the game, who came in under all that pressure and has to perform only on 1 play.[/QUOTE]

Bledsoe had his chance in a super bowl and lost big. Great QB's like Brady win the big game, twice. Bledsoe got crushed. Time will tell if Brady deserves to be included in the great QB list.

You are right Bledsoe did loose big, but I am not comparing Bledsoe to Brady or Brady to Bledsoe.

[QUOTE=Redskins8588]Well thats good for Bledsoe, I really do not think that he is overrated nor do I think that he is underrated.

Even, in some magical world, it was Bledsoe that led the Pats to the game winning field goal in the super bowls, I would still feel that the MVP should have ben the guy that got them the victory with one chance left in the game, who came in under all that pressure and has to perform only on 1 play.[/QUOTE]
I look at it as any game doesn't really come down to just one play. There is always a series of plays that lead up to that one play. There would be no game winning FG attempt if not for other circumstances that lead up to that moment.

Just because it's the last play doesn't mean it was the most important.