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[QUOTE=celts32;286345]Everyone talks about Springs health on here and the reality is that last year was the only year that his health has caused us a problem. His 1st 2 years here he played 15 games each season. I don't think Springs or Bly are worth a big payday right now...Springs is already here and under contract.[/QUOTE]

I agree that Springs' health concerns have been overrated.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;286349]I agree that Springs' health concerns have been overrated.[/QUOTE]

It's rediculous...it's becasue we all remember the most recent season. Since 1998 when he became a regular starter there have only been 3 seasons where he played less then 15 games, and as i said before we have only had one of them. I don't love Springs...I just don't see Bly as a huge upgrade and I don't think Springs health should be used as an issue to justify paying Bly.

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

The type of injury that Springs is working back from is what's concerning to me, coupled with his age.

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

[quote=celts32;286345]Everyone talks about Springs health on here and the reality is that last year was the only year that his health has caused us a problem. His 1st 2 years here he played 15 games each season. I don't think Springs or Bly are worth a big payday right now...Springs is already here and under contract.[/quote]

I think the thrust of the post, and those like it, is that while Springs plays most of the time in years gone by, that's not 100% of the time. He missed most of the season last year. These things generally do not improve with age. Those things taken together paint a very real POSSIBILITY of him being out a signifigant part of the year (or nicked up and trying to play).
We can all agree that losing a starter of his quality has a crippling impact. The question is, are we willing to risk going through the season starting Smoot, and Carlos? I'm not, if another good oppurtunity is at hand.

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

I see a lot of holes in his article..

1. It's nit-picky, but Bly is 29.

2. Above all we need quality players and depth. Making the trade adds a quality player and with the additional picks, adds depth. Accomplishes both goals.

3. So he thinks we'd be better than last year with Springs who has missed games virtually every season in the NFL, including most of last season and should have missed the last 4 of 2005 (muscle injuries only get worse and more frequent when you get older) and the #6 pick than with Bly, who has stayed healthy, plus additional picks where we can hopefully get Okoye which fills a need and also trade Springs for MORE picks? Isn't this contrary to what every 'expert' says?

4. I don't see an alternative other than 'just stand pat with what we have'. That puts a WHOLE lot of trust in the #6 pick coming in and being an immediate impact player.

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

[quote=Paintrain;286356]I see a lot of holes in his article..

1. It's nit-picky, but Bly is 29.

2. Above all we need quality players and depth. Making the trade adds a quality player and with the additional picks, adds depth. Accomplishes both goals.

3. So he thinks we'd be better than last year with Springs who has missed games virtually every season in the NFL, including most of last season and should have missed the last 4 of 2005 (muscle injuries only get worse and more frequent when you get older) and the #6 pick than with Bly, who has stayed healthy, plus additional picks where we can hopefully get Okoye which fills a need and also trade Springs for MORE picks? Isn't this contrary to what every 'expert' says?

4. I don't see an alternative other than 'just stand pat with what we have'. That puts a WHOLE lot of trust in the #6 pick coming in and being an immediate impact player.[/quote]


I guess Bly's age is a mystery to me. I heard, 30, 31 and...now 29. I guess he's about to be thirty??

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

I think to properly evalute Bly over Springs we would need to know how much money him and the Danny agreed to.

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

We don't need Bly.

Pick a player at # 6 or trade down for equal value.

Keep Springs.

Have Rogers, Smoot, Springs battle for starting role.

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

[QUOTE=JDALY27;286365]We don't need Bly.

Pick a player at # 6 or trade down for equal value.

Keep Springs.

Have Rogers, Smoot, Springs battle for starting role.[/QUOTE] I feel more and more this is the way to go! I wanted Anderson DE and we could do that by trading down and getting Anderson and a 2nd or 3rd round pick to boot!

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[quote=12thMan;286360]I guess Bly's age is a mystery to me. I heard, 30, 31 and...now 29. I guess he's about to be thirty??[/quote]

He's 29, he'll turn 30 in May.

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

If Okoye is the guy we decide to build our defensive line around in the future, then it's more important to get him now than try to grab a bunch of extra picks and just pick for need. Honestly at this point, no move is probably the best. Just take Branch or Okoye at 6.

If we can move down to 8 with Houston because Quinn falls that far and they want him, then we can pick up a second. This would be ideal. But we have no business picking outside of the top 20, we are just simply not going to get they guy we want, be it Okoye, Branch, or Carriker.

Of course if the impossible (sarcasm) happens, and the Raiders actually take Brady Quinn, then we aren't going to have many suitors for our pick. It's OK, it was us that traded our picks away. Lets not give up a shot at our defensive franchise player so we can make up for past errors.

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i think the #6 pick is much better than bly. we need a d-line that can hold the line.

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ive heard a lot of stuff about moving springs to saftey the same way the bills moved vincent to saftey late in his career as a way of extending his career after being slowed by injuries. Is this a serious consideration or just speculation? has springs ever said anything about being willing to move to saftey?

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[quote=Paintrain;286356]4. I don't see an alternative other than 'just stand pat with what we have'. That puts a WHOLE lot of trust in the #6 pick coming in and being an immediate impact player.[/quote]We can NOT look at any of our draft picks making an immediate impact. The whole build through the draft philsophy means we need to use the draft to [I]prepare[/I] for a day when our key players aren't here anymore. We wouldn't be drafting Branch/Okoye to play [I]next[/I] to Griffin, we'd be drafting them to make certain that we have a great DT situation [I]after[/I] Griffin becomes a cap casulity either next offseason or the one after that.

The first part of a rebuilding process is getting a [I]guy to build around[/I]. We should only look to trade down if we decide that none of the top rated D Linemen are the type we would WANT to build around. I really think they like Okoye, and I as I've been saying all along would be more than satisfied with Branch.

Using the draft to fill immediate needs IS NOT building through the draft. That's basicially building through free agency and using the draft to fill holes. Basically, its what weve been doing.

Re: Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6
 

[quote=GTripp0012;286413]We can NOT look at any of our draft picks making an immediate impact. The whole build through the draft philsophy means we need to use the draft to [I]prepare[/I] for a day when our key players aren't here anymore. We wouldn't be drafting Branch/Okoye to play [I]next[/I] to Griffin, we'd be drafting them to make certain that we have a great DT situation [I]after[/I] Griffin becomes a cap casulity either next offseason or the one after that.[/quote]

What??

We picked up ST at # 5 who made an immediate impact.


If we select at # 6 they BETTER be starting this year and many more.