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If healthy I'm going with a proven right tackle in Wade, and he filled in great for JJ last year if not even a notch better. Wade gets the starting spot, but I really like Heyer great pickup and story, hard to believe he already playing a big role.

Just goes to show how important depth is.

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[quote=Southpaw;350427]Why do some people think they can pick players for a particular coaches scheme better than the coach? Heyer vs. Wade is debatable, but Heyer vs. Jansen isn't even a contest. While I was very impressed Heyer's performance, he's a true rookie while Jansen is a seasoned veteran and pro bowler.

As far as Wade vs. Heyer, I think that decision should be based on performance. Heyer looked good Sunday. If Wade struggles against the Eagles, I wouldn't be surprised if Gibbs pulls him.[/quote]

Wow, talk about exaggeration. Jansen has NEVER made the pro bowl. He's a decent RT. He gets overrated when it comes to talent because he's such a stand-up guy. But he's no all-star.

Wade stepped in last year during the Giants and the Saints games and the offense didn't miss a beat. His pass protection was phenomenal, facing some serious pass rushers in Strahan and Will Smith/Charles Grant in those games.

A healthy Wade is no downgrade from Jon Jansen. If Wade can't play with that shoulder, then you've got no choice but to go to Heyer. But on Sunday, Heyer showed that he plays too high and too often gets pushed back into the QB on a bull-rush. Do you feel comfortable with him facing Jevon Kearse & Darren Howard without TE help? If so, you don't know much about line play. Heyer has adequate footwork to stay in front of defenders well enough, but he doesn't keep himself low enough to prevent the bull rush. He hasn't proven he can hold up against a bull rush, and the team felt that they needed to use Cooley to help him on Saturday.

Wade has proven he can stand up to solid pass rushers; he did so last year. Unless you want Cooley to finish with numbers circa Brandon Lloyd in 2006, they you need to go with Wade. I just can't understand why people would say Heyer is the choice.

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Per Coach Gibbs on Redskins Radio, it's Wade against Philly.

[URL="http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=4179"]Redskins Radio: Daily @ 12 Noon ET[/URL]

He talks about Springs too. Says they were just being careful.

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I have a picture of Jon Jansen on the field on the play he went down. Do Not click if you don't like looking at pictures like this.

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That's pretty gruesome right there.

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Wade helped us compile 161 rushing yards last year against the Saints filling in for Janson. And he is a better than average pass protector too. Wade over Heyer and hopefully we don't see Heyer unless someone needs a blow.

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I'm surprised so many have said Wade over Heyer after how well Heyer played last week.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;350559]Wow, talk about exaggeration. Jansen has NEVER made the pro bowl. He's a decent RT. He gets overrated when it comes to talent because he's such a stand-up guy. But he's no all-star.

Wade stepped in last year during the Giants and the Saints games and the offense didn't miss a beat. His pass protection was phenomenal, facing some serious pass rushers in Strahan and Will Smith/Charles Grant in those games.

A healthy Wade is no downgrade from Jon Jansen. If Wade can't play with that shoulder, then you've got no choice but to go to Heyer. But on Sunday, Heyer showed that he plays too high and too often gets pushed back into the QB on a bull-rush. Do you feel comfortable with him facing Jevon Kearse & Darren Howard without TE help? If so, you don't know much about line play. Heyer has adequate footwork to stay in front of defenders well enough, but he doesn't keep himself low enough to prevent the bull rush. He hasn't proven he can hold up against a bull rush, and the team felt that they needed to use Cooley to help him on Saturday.

Wade has proven he can stand up to solid pass rushers; he did so last year. Unless you want Cooley to finish with numbers circa Brandon Lloyd in 2006, they you need to go with Wade. I just can't understand why people would say Heyer is the choice.[/QUOTE]

Good post, Schneed. Totally agree, as do the coaches, no doubt. I really like Heyer and with luck he'll develop into a starter for us. But now, he's still an UDFA with minimal game experience. He did a great job filling in, but Wade is the right move for RT.

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[quote=Schneed10;350559]Wow, talk about exaggeration. Jansen has NEVER made the pro bowl. He's a decent RT. He gets overrated when it comes to talent because he's such a stand-up guy. But he's no all-star.

Wade stepped in last year during the Giants and the Saints games and the offense didn't miss a beat. His pass protection was phenomenal, facing some serious pass rushers in Strahan and Will Smith/Charles Grant in those games.

A healthy Wade is no downgrade from Jon Jansen. If Wade can't play with that shoulder, then you've got no choice but to go to Heyer. But on Sunday, Heyer showed that he plays too high and too often gets pushed back into the QB on a bull-rush. Do you feel comfortable with him facing Jevon Kearse & Darren Howard without TE help? If so, you don't know much about line play. Heyer has adequate footwork to stay in front of defenders well enough, but he doesn't keep himself low enough to prevent the bull rush. He hasn't proven he can hold up against a bull rush, and the team felt that they needed to use Cooley to help him on Saturday.

Wade has proven he can stand up to solid pass rushers; he did so last year. Unless you want Cooley to finish with numbers circa Brandon Lloyd in 2006, they you need to go with Wade. I just can't understand why people would say Heyer is the choice.[/quote]

I thought Jansen had made a Pro Bowl, but apparently not. I retract that comment, but as far as everything else I said, I stand by it.

Jansen is at the very least, above average. If Wade was on par with Jansen as far as ability, he'd be starting somewhere. And suggesting that the only reason Jansen is highly regarded is because he's a "stand-up guy" is a little ridiculous. If Gibbs and Bugel actually thought that Wade was a better tackle than Jansen, Wade would've been the opening day starter, but instead, he wasn't even on the active roster. I don't understand why some people feel they're better talent evaluators than the coaches...

As far as Heyer, his performace was very strong for a true rookie. Blocking too high is a fixable problem. And he did happen to be blocking arguably the best defensive end in the league, so I'm willing to cut him a little slack on his technique. And I never said that Heyer should be the starter. I actually think that Wade should be the starter against Philly, but I won't be surprised if Heyer gets a bit of playing time. Coach Gibbs didn't immediately name Wade the starter against Philly, so at the very least, he was considering Heyer.

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At this point in their respective careers I don't see a big difference between Jansen and Wade. I'm a big Jansen guy but let's be honest, he's lost a bit from his game the last few years and the injuries seem to be compounding the issue. Jansen has been a very solid pro, but he's not an elite tackle.

As much as I hated seeing Jansen go down, a part of me is glad that it wasn't Samuels instead.

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[quote=Mattyk72;351132]At this point in their respective careers I don't see a big difference between Jansen and Wade. I'm a big Jansen guy but let's be honest, he's lost a bit from his game the last few years and the injuries seem to be compounding the issue. Jansen has been a very solid pro, but he's not an elite tackle. [/quote]

I agree that the injuries have slowed Jansen a bit, and I actually never really considered him elite, but I still don't believe for a second that a healthy Wade is better than a healthy Jansen. And obviously the coaching staff doesn't either.

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[quote=Mattyk72;351132]At this point in their respective careers I don't see a big difference between Jansen and Wade. I'm a big Jansen guy but let's be honest, he's lost a bit from his game the last few years and the injuries seem to be compounding the issue. Jansen has been a very solid pro, but he's not an elite tackle.

As much as I hated seeing Jansen go down, a part of me is glad that it wasn't Samuels instead.[/quote]


That's the way I feel too, though I was hesitant to bring the topic up. I guess the thing I was hesitant to say was this: We may be better off with Wade or Heyer at this point. Jansen got pushed around from time to time. There it is.

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[quote=Southpaw;351135]I agree that the injuries have slowed Jansen a bit, and I actually never really considered him elite, but I still don't believe for a second that a healthy Wade is better than a healthy Jansen. And obviously the coaching staff doesn't either.[/quote]

It would have been interesting if Wade was around when Jansen was re-signed.

Comparing their contracts I don't see where Jansen gives the team much more bang for the buck.

Jansen is a very likable guy, it's hard to not root for him. But I think we tend to overvalue him as a result.

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[quote=70Chip;351137]That's the way I feel too, though I was hesitant to bring the topic up. I guess the thing I was hesitant to say was this: We may be better off with Wade or Heyer at this point. Jansen got pushed around from time to time. There it is.[/quote]

Heyer no, Wade maybe.

Heyer has done a solid job but if you watch the game again from Sunday he had a lot of help from the TE.

There's no way I'd want to risk going with Heyer for the long-term right now. But he's definitely an intriguing prospect and a nice find by the Redskins.

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[quote=Mattyk72;351138]Jansen is a very likable guy, it's hard to not root for him. But I think we tend to overvalue him as a result.[/quote]

I'm of the opinion that people are overvaluing a journeyman backup lineman, but I guess we'll figure that out over the next several weeks.

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Read my ealier post, Wade is not a journey man. He was a big time right tackle that got hurt. He got a five year 30 million dollar contract from the Texans. When that was alot of money.