Re: Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor
 

Punish them all

Sorry I made apost in wrong spot

Re: Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor
 

[QUOTE=mheisig;389292]For that matter, irresponsible people/children shouldn't be playing with a lot of things: guns, ovens, matches, gasoline, cars, ATVs, motorcycles, knives and probably a thousand other things.

No one is advocating that every breathing moron go arm himself to the teeth, and no one is saying we should add loaded handguns to a child's toybox.

I, for one, was taught from a very young age the four basic rules of firearm safety and they've stuck with me ever since.

Of course I also grew up in a stable household with rational parents...go figure.[/QUOTE]

That was exactly my point...

Re: Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor
 

One of this great countries biggest problems is guns, but there is no way to fix this problem as long as the NRA remains such a dominant political force. The system that has evolved just plain sucks, but the Gun Lobby is just way too strong. Until a very powerful politician actually takes on the NRA head on nothing will ever change. Like I said before I'm not saying we shouldn't have the right to have guns, but there has to be limits and restrictions and the NRA basically lobbies against every gun law and restriction that anyone has ever come up with. Where is the middle ground? There is no middle ground with the gun lobby and that is a shame.

Re: Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor
 

Yeah the gun leaped out of the idiot's hand and shot Taylor.
It's all the gun's fault! Stupid Steel!

In Wash DC near where I live guns are BANNED, ILLEGAL. So what kills folk? CRIMINALS WITH GUNS against unarmed yet LEGAL folks.

Sorry bro, Stupid ass people kill people with guns or whatever they fund.

A stupid Viginia boy said it best.
"Those who melt theit guns to farm tools will be ruled by those who don't." -Tom Jefferson

Are you telling me that gun made that stupid, illraised kid kick kill Sean Taylor or did that ass kick the door and shoot? Poor kid the republicans made him kill?

~shakes head

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[quote=rypper11;389314]
The number of liberal pacifists who are against the death penalty always shrinks when someone they know and love is hurt.[/quote]

Liberalism and pacifism shouldn't even enter into it. I'm a believer in both, but I'm also a believer in efficiency, and as Sean Taylor himself proved, multiple second chances *IF* a person can be rehabilitated.

Unfortunately, this doesn't mean much because our "corrections" system isn't designed for rehabilitation, it's designed strictly for incarceration and for easy political grandstanding.

But, like I said, the other side is the efficiency question. I think life sentences are just stupid. If someone's never going to get out of jail, we need to ask the question: will this person produce something, *ANYTHING* over the course of his tenure in prison, that will even come close to matching the cost of his inprisonment?

If not, and if that person's appeals have been exhausted, I think you have to consider the idea of just speeding up nature's due process and saving the state a lot of resources...

Re: Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor
 

[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;389343]That was exactly my point...[/QUOTE]

I wasn't arguing with you, just expounding your excellent point. ;)

Re: Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor
 

[quote=Sammy Baugh Fan;389352]Yeah the gun leaped out of the idiot's hand and shot Taylor.
It's all the gun's fault! Stupid Steel!

In Wash DC near where I live guns are BANNED, ILLEGAL. So what kills folk? CRIMINALS WITH GUNS against unarmed yet LEGAL folks.

Sorry bro, Stupid ass people kill people with guns or whatever they fund.

A stupid Viginia boy said it best.
"Those who melt theit guns to farm tools will be ruled by those who don't." -Tom Jefferson

[B]Are you telling me that gun made that stupid, illraised kid kick kill Sean Taylor or did that ass kick the door and shoot[/B]? Poor kid the republicans made him kill?

~shakes head[/quote]
no, it didn't. but by making it easy enough for pretty much anyone to get a hold of a gun did. what do you think Sean Taylor's chances would have been if the intruders would have entered his house with just a knife? i would like to think he would probably be alive right now. and i totally agree with a previous post about the n.r.a., and all the money and power they have. but no politician will ever tackle them, because it probably means career suicide