Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire
 

[quote=Mattyk72;420631]I don't care how they arrived at the decision, and in the end it will be wins and losses that either vindicates this decision or proves it to be wrong. Time will tell.[/quote]Well, I don't know. If this team takes three more years, and still can't reach the elite level, then we can say that the front office made some mistakes that cost us a shot at being elite, but we can't really project their failures onto Zorn.

Unfortunately for Zorn, he's now a head coach in the NFL and his legacy is going to be seperate from the effect his has on his players. He may win, or he may lose, but that doesn't necessarily reflect on the job he's doing.

Barring some major F-up by the front office, I do think he has a great foundation to work with. It will take some time though, we aren't ready to make the jump to the top of the league just yet.

Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire
 

[quote=SmootSmack;420709]Well what I have suggested (not to Snyder, but to the board here) and what seems to finally be taking shape is that Scott Campbell be given a large role in the day-to-day management of the football team and Cerrato slowly move away from that. I don't think VC will get fired, but what you could see two or three years down the line is him having less influence on football matters and more on overall strategy and business matters. For example, he could work side by side with Snyder and Schar and DC Mayor Adrian Fenty on a new stadium.[/quote]

As The Dude would say, "That's interesting man."

My thinking about this whole case has been way too uptight. She fucking kidnapped herself, man.

Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire
 

[quote=BringBackJoeT;420661], the first thing that always comes to mind is his prediction that Wuerfful was going to have a career year as the QB in Spurrier's offense.
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I think sports writes are like Nostrodamus. Their goal isn't to be right everytime, instead they make many predictions and then when they're right they go back and say "see I told you so." Hell I predicted Devin Hester was going to be a playmaker doesn't mean I can see the future.

[quote=Dirtbag359;152707]
[B]OLB (should be DE)[/B]14[IMG]http://media.scout.com/media/site_logo/rating.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://media.scout.com/media/site_logo/rating.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://media.scout.com/media/site_logo/rating.gif[/IMG][URL="http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=8&c=1&yr=2006&nid=1793592"][COLOR=#0000ff]Elvis Dumervil[/COLOR][/URL]SR6-0/256/-[URL="http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=9&c=12&yr=2006&nid=83&lnid=124&rc=4&csid=127335"][COLOR=#0000ff]Louisville[/COLOR][/URL]Miami, [URL="http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=9&c=12&yr=2006&nid=83&lnid=124&rc=4&sid=62"][COLOR=#0000ff]FL[/COLOR][/URL]

(How hes falling to the 3rd round is beyond me. This is the type of guy that should be a Redskin. Tons of Football talent, chip on his shoulder, sprikle in a little Greg Williams and Greg Blache magic and you might have something special. Reminds me a little of T. Suggs except hes going to have to wait a lot longer)
[B]CB (PR) [/B]9 [IMG]http://media.scout.com/media/site_logo/rating.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://media.scout.com/media/site_logo/rating.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://media.scout.com/media/site_logo/rating.gif[/IMG] [URL="http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=8&c=1&yr=2006&nid=1832026"][COLOR=#0000ff]Devin Hester[/COLOR][/URL] JR5-11/185/4.35 [URL="http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=9&c=12&yr=2006&nid=83&lnid=124&rc=4&csid=127351"][COLOR=#0000ff]Miami (Fl)[/COLOR][/URL] Riviera Beach, [URL="http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=9&c=12&yr=2006&nid=83&lnid=124&rc=4&sid=62"][COLOR=#0000ff]FL[/COLOR][/URL]

(one word. Playmaker. Reminds me of Rascoe Paris except for the fact that he will play defense. Plus we might have to stick with Redskin tradition. Find a school in Florida and acquire all its players (If you don't get the joke then you probably shouldn't be here. Otherwise see Steve Spurrier and Shane Mathews) Also reminds me of Chris Gamble)

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I also predicted that Adam Archuleta and Bradon Lloyd would be great players. I thought the Redskins were going to the Super Bowl in 2000. Thought that Maryland would repeat as NCAA champions. Thought the Orioles could make the playoffs back in 2005. Thought that Mario Williams over Reggie Bush was the stupidist move ever. I even thought at one point that Michael Vick could be a good pocket passer.

Nostrodamus was famous for talking non-stop. At one point people started writing everything the guy said so whenever something big happened, people had a huge catalog of vague predictions that they could point out as saying that this event was predicted by nostrodamus. Such is the life of a sportswriter.

Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire
 

[quote=Drago;420607]I appreciate the fact that D.S. took his time with this hire and didn't rush into it. Obviously he wasn't comfortable with any of the other more qualified candidates or he would have hired them right away and not waited to talk to Spagnoulo. I liked Zorn's press conference, [B]it reeked with knowledge and confidence. [/B]I'm looking forward to a fresh start.[/quote]

Which part? The 87 "ums" he said, or when he referred to our colors as "maroon and black?" To me he seemed nervous, out of place, and he said in his own words that it's a "miracle" to be standing there as our head coach. Knowledge and confidence aren't quite the adjectives I'd use.

For possibly the first time ever I fully agree with Peter King.

Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire
 

Jim Zorn is an up and coming star in the NFL. Fassel's proven twice he's a dead end street and is further proving it today with his bitter reaction to the hiring of someone he himself endorsed. Got to agree with some of the comments above that if Fassel was such a catch, he'd have already been caught by other teamns looking for an OC or HC. No one was talking about him as an option until DS interviewed and now King thinks he's the answer for a team King never has a good thing to say about? Let King and Fassel muck around in their bitterness, but I think the Skins are better off with the rising star of Jim Zorn's optimistic leadership!

Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire
 

[quote=jamf;420629]If the redskins hired fassel, PK article would be about how the redskins hired the wrong guy and that Zorn is going to be the next superstar coach.

PK points out that Fassel was fired as OC while his team was 4-2. He forgets to mention that the ravens were last in the league in offense that year and the two previous years.
This man couldn't coach an offense to mediocre success and he is supposed to lead this team?

Give me a break, I would rather take a shot at someone with potential than give someone who has proven to be mediocre another shot.[/quote]

Fassel also wasn't shopping for the groceries in Baltimore. It's not his fault he was given Kyle Boller, Anthony Wright, and a no receivers to work with. He also took a Kerry Collins-led team to the Super Bowl in NY.

I don't dislike Zorn, but I think Fassel would have been the better hire. Remember, regardless of who we hired yesterday we had Zorn in the bag as OC. And OC in itself was a promotion for him. He could have devoted all his efforts to the offense and developing Campbell. Now both Zorn and the Redskins are in unchartered waters big time. I hope for the best and expect the worst.

I ask you, would we be better off with Fassel as HC and Zorn honing the offense and JC's skills, or with no Fassel and a guy who was a position coach 3 weeks ago running the whole show?

Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire
 

[quote=GMScud;420745]Which part? The 87 "ums" he said, or when he referred to our colors as "maroon and black?" To me he seemed nervous, out of place, and he said in his own words that it's a "miracle" to be standing there as our head coach. Knowledge and confidence aren't quite the adjectives I'd use.

For possibly the first time ever I fully agree with Peter King.[/quote]

Have you ever seen a Gibb's press conference? I love the guy but if you remember his re-introduction Gibbs was Giddy as hell. His voice cracked, he has that crazy laugh, made jokes about himself (one of the most endearing characteristics that is Gibbs). And this is a guy thats won three Super Bowls and led the Redskins through what is known as the Decade of Dominance.

Plus when Zorn was asked football questions he seemed right at home, just like Gibbs who was always prepared and calm when faced with questions about X's and O's.

My point is don't judge this guy by his introductory press conference. The whole media flavor of the week is Synder fucked up (which he kind of did), so to add to that writing about Zorn being nervous and out of place only helps to build on that momentum. Wait till we get on the field, I think a lot of us are going to be pleasantly surprised.

Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;420754]Have you ever seen a Gibb's press conference? I love the guy but if you remember his re-introduction Gibbs was Giddy as hell. His voice cracked, he has that crazy laugh, made jokes about himself (one of the most endearing characteristics that is Gibbs). And this is a guy thats won three Super Bowls and led the Redskins through what is known as the Decade of Dominance.

Plus when Zorn was asked football questions he seemed right at home, just like Gibbs who was always prepared and calm when faced with questions about X's and O's.

[B] My point is don't judge this guy by his introductory press conference.[/B] The whole media flavor of the week is Synder fucked up (which he kind of did), so to add to that writing about Zorn being nervous and out of place only helps to build on that momentum. Wait till we get on the field, I think a lot of us are going to be pleasantly surprised.[/quote]

I'm not judging him by his introductory press conference. I just don't think knowledge and confidence are the two words I'd use to describe said press conference. I know he's a good man and a good coach. I'm just nervous about him as OUR head coach right now.

Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire
 

[QUOTE=GMScud;420752]Fassel also wasn't shopping for the groceries in Baltimore. It's not his fault he was given Kyle Boller, Anthony Wright, and a no receivers to work with. He also took a Kerry Collins-led team to the Super Bowl in NY.

I don't dislike Zorn, but I think Fassel would have been the better hire. Remember, regardless of who we hired yesterday we had Zorn in the bag as OC. And OC in itself was a promotion for him. He could have devoted all his efforts to the offense and developing Campbell. Now both Zorn and the Redskins are in unchartered waters big time. I hope for the best and expect the worst.

I ask you, would we be better off with Fassel as HC and Zorn honing the offense and JC's skills, or with no Fassel and a guy who was a position coach 3 weeks ago running the whole show?[/QUOTE]

I tend to agree...and congrats on 2,000

(though I don't expect the worst)

Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire
 

I have to agree with Peter King. Making Zorn the HC may turn out to be a good move, but if we had hired Fassel, we could have had our cake and eaten it to. The only caveat for me would be that I would have wanted Zorn calling the plays with Fassel acting more as a "leader of men."

Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire
 

[QUOTE=GMScud;420752]Fassel also wasn't shopping for the groceries in Baltimore. It's not his fault he was given Kyle Boller, Anthony Wright, and a no receivers to work with. He also took a Kerry Collins-led team to the Super Bowl in NY.

I don't dislike Zorn, but I think Fassel would have been the better hire. Remember, regardless of who we hired yesterday we had Zorn in the bag as OC. And OC in itself was a promotion for him. He could have devoted all his efforts to the offense and developing Campbell. Now both Zorn and the Redskins are in unchartered waters big time. I hope for the best and expect the worst.

I ask you, would we be better off with Fassel as HC and Zorn honing the offense and JC's skills, or with no Fassel and a guy who was a position coach 3 weeks ago running the whole show?[/QUOTE]

The answer is we're better off with Zorn as HC. Fassel is proving all over the media today that he's no leader, just an ego. More to the point, it's obvious the FO wanted Zorn as OC to employ a WCO scheme. Fassel is from the Walsh tree, but not a big WCO guy. We didn't need Fassel for the D and he didn't possess the WCO skills needed to integrate the offense, so it's best to go with a guy many around the league viewed as a rising star and not shoulder him with a HC who'd muddy the process. Fassel would have been an excess ego, not a benefit to the team. He wasn't value added in the end, so why pay him when he wasn't going to bring anything to the table?

Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire
 

[quote=OverseasSkinsfan;420778]The answer is we're better off with Zorn as HC. Fassel is proving all over the media today that he's no leader, just an ego. More to the point, it's obvious the FO wanted Zorn as OC to employ a WCO scheme. Fassel is from the Walsh tree, but not a big WCO guy. We didn't need Fassel for the D and he didn't possess the WCO skills needed to integrate the offense, so it's best to go with a guy many around the league viewed as a rising star and not shoulder him with a HC who'd muddy the process. Fassel would have been an excess ego, not a benefit to the team. He wasn't value added in the end, [B]so why pay him when he wasn't going to bring anything to the table?[/B][/quote]

Head coaching experience? A vast knowledge of the NFC East? Two-time coach of the year? An NFC Championship? I wouldn't exactly say he wasn't bringing anything to the table. Fassel apparently approved of the Zorn hire as OC and thought very highly of him. I don't know precisely how they would have integrated offensive philosophies, but I don't think it would have been a big issue.

Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire
 

[QUOTE=OverseasSkinsfan;420778]The answer is we're better off with Zorn as HC. Fassel is proving all over the media today that he's no leader, just an ego. More to the point, it's obvious the FO wanted Zorn as OC to employ a WCO scheme. Fassel is from the Walsh tree, but not a big WCO guy. We didn't need Fassel for the D and he didn't possess the WCO skills needed to integrate the offense, so it's best to go with a guy many around the league viewed as a rising star and not shoulder him with a HC who'd muddy the process. Fassel would have been an excess ego, not a benefit to the team. He wasn't value added in the end, so why pay him when he wasn't going to bring anything to the table?[/QUOTE]

Interesting take and I agree with you about everything but Fassels ego. He has been very PC in all his comments, even saying that he would still like to work for THE SNYDER. I think right now he is more interested in keeping his name "out there" should other vacancies (of any kind) pop up.

I wonder if Fassel would be willing to be an "Assistant Head Coach - Quarterbacks" under Zorn or whether that would just be too weird. No one can dispute that Fassel has an excellent record of working with QBs. Zorn really won't have much time to work with Campbell, so we currently need one of two things:

1) A veteran WCO Starting QB (Hell, Mark Brunell)
2) A PROVEN QB coach who can develop Campbell.

Personally, I hope to never see Brunell on the field in anything other than a pre-season game ever again.

Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire
 

[QUOTE=talk show host;420794]Interesting take and I agree with you about everything but Fassels ego. He has been very PC in all his comments, even saying that he would still like to work for THE SNYDER. I think right now he is more interested in keeping his name "out there" should other vacancies (of any kind) pop up.

I wonder if Fassel would be willing to be an "Assistant Head Coach - Quarterbacks" under Zorn or whether that would just be too weird. No one can dispute that Fassel has an excellent record of working with QBs. Zorn really won't have much time to work with Campbell, so we currently need one of two things:

1) A veteran WCO Starting QB (Hell, Mark Brunell)
2) A PROVEN QB coach who can develop Campbell.

Personally, I hope to never see Brunell on the field in anything other than a pre-season game ever again.[/QUOTE]

For a look at Fassel's non PC interview about the Skins decision to hire Jim Zorn, hit [url=http://www.profootballtalk.com]ProFootballTalk.com -- The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet[/url]. I thought he was poised at first too. but he's moved on to a more bitter position now.

Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire
 

[QUOTE=GMScud;420793]Head coaching experience? A vast knowledge of the NFC East? Two-time coach of the year? An NFC Championship? I wouldn't exactly say he wasn't bringing anything to the table. Fassel apparently approved of the Zorn hire as OC and thought very highly of him. I don't know precisely how they would have integrated offensive philosophies, but I don't think it would have been a big issue.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying Fassel and Zorn wouldn't have gotten along personally, just saying I don't think what he was going to add was worth the $s and more potentially would have hindered the WCO integration. All head coaches got to start sometime.
Ironic that many are saying you have to have been a HC before to lead the football team in Washington, but the next President of the US will never have been a "Head Coach" of anything either before they take over in Washington. Don't want to get overly political here, just happened to see a story on TV before I started typing. Thought it was an interesting perspective though.