Re: Colt Brennan
 

I don't follow college football enough to know which programs run the run and shoot, or primarily shotgun offenses, I live and breathe Pro Football and I understand it's more about how they absorb their coaching once they make it. Look at Ryan Leaf...he came from a great school, and he decided he was the man, and didn't listen to anyone. It's all about how willing they are to succeed. It's hard work...and to me, Colt seems willing to put in that work...but you never know.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=GTripp0012;449480]Moon?

Colt didn't play in a run and shoot, he played in a spread, which produces successful passers at the same rate as pro style college offenses.

If Brennan was successful in the NFL after falling to the 6th round, it would be unprecedented. Then again, his statistics in college were totally unprecedented. There's a big difference between Chang's numbers, and Brennan's, and presumably, there will be a difference in the way they adapt to the pro game.[/quote]
Colt definitely played in the Run & Shoot, this is June Jones' favored system. He also used it when he was HC in Atlanta. The Spread has evolved from the same offensive "tree" though.

skinsfan69 is right, I couldn't name any average or better NFL QBs that came from a college offense that was primarily a shotgun based offense. If you can name some, I'd like to hear what you come up with. Alex Smith & Vince Young come to mind, but I would argue neither is an "average" NFL QB right now. But the jury is still out on both of them.

What was the major difference in numbers between Chang & Brennan? Chang set the NCAA record for career passing yards and is third on the all-time TD list behing Brennan. Let's hope there is a difference in how Brennan adapts, Chang is in the CFL.

Not the norm but not unprecedented, for a 6th round or later QB to be successful, Brady, Derek Anderson, Matt Hasselbeck, Romo (undrafted), Jeff Garcia (undrafted), Trent Green (8th Round), Kurt Warner (undrafted)

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;449506]Colt definitely played in the Run & Shoot, this is June Jones' favored system. He also used it when he was HC in Atlanta. The Spread has evolved from the same offensive "tree" though.

skinsfan69 is right, I couldn't name any average or better NFL QBs that came from a college offense that was primarily a shotgun based offense. If you can name some, I'd like to hear what you come up with. Alex Smith & Vince Young come to mind, but I would argue neither is an "average" NFL QB right now. But the jury is still out on both of them.

What was the major difference in numbers between Chang & Brennan? Chang set the NCAA record for career passing yards and is third on the all-time TD list behing Brennan. Let's hope there is a difference in how Brennan adapts, Chang is in the CFL.

[b]Not the norm but not unprecedented, for a 6th round or later QB to be successful, Brady, Derek Anderson, Matt Hasselbeck, Romo (undrafted), Jeff Garcia (undrafted), Trent Green (8th Round), Kurt Warner (undrafted)[/b][/QUOTE]

Exactly...and if he doesn't work out...so what? It only cost us a 6th rounder. No big deal.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;449506]Colt definitely played in the Run & Shoot, this is June Jones' favored system. He also used it when he was HC in Atlanta. The Spread has evolved from the same offensive "tree" though.

skinsfan69 is right, I couldn't name any average or better NFL QBs that came from a college offense that was primarily a shotgun based offense. If you can name some, I'd like to hear what you come up with. Alex Smith & Vince Young come to mind, but I would argue neither is an "average" NFL QB right now. But the jury is still out on both of them.

What was the major difference in numbers between Chang & Brennan? Chang set the NCAA record for career passing yards and is third on the all-time TD list behing Brennan. Let's hope there is a difference in how Brennan adapts, Chang is in the CFL.

Not the norm but not unprecedented, for a 6th round or later QB to be successful, Brady, Derek Anderson, Matt Hasselbeck, Romo (undrafted), Jeff Garcia (undrafted), Trent Green (8th Round), Kurt Warner (undrafted)[/quote]There's one big name you guys are forgetting. Drew Brees. Also, don't forget Ben Roethlisberger. Miami (OH) was a spread offense when he played there.

Also a handful of others with a track record of success or at least potential. Culpepper at UCF. Leftwich at Marshall. Kolb at Houston last year, is a guy that most scouts thought had 2nd round skill, and did go in the second round. Flacco played out of the Shotgun primarily at Delaware.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=GTripp0012;449480]Moon?

Colt didn't play in a run and shoot, he played in a spread, which produces successful passers at the same rate as pro style college offenses.

If Brennan was successful in the NFL after falling to the 6th round, it would be unprecedented. Then again, his statistics in college were totally unprecedented. There's a big difference between Chang's numbers, and Brennan's, and presumably, there will be a difference in the way they adapt to the pro game.[/quote]

June Jones coaches the run and shoot offense which has 4-5 wr's on the field at all times and is a pass first offense. The knock on it is the QB is never ever under center. Jack Pardee also ran it when he coached at Houston in college. Andre Ware and David Klingler would put up huge huge passing stats. I think I remember these guys throwing for 600-700 yards in some games. However not one of them ever made it in the pro game. No Qb's that play in the system ever seem to make the transition to the pro game.

The spread is what Alex Smith and Vince Young ran at college and it's run by West Virginia and Florida. The field is spread out by formation but you could have a fullback and a TE on he field most of the time. And you run the option from the shotgun. It's a run first offense.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

My point about the run and shoot is that it's an incredibly rare offense, and just because two guys who played in it at the same school couldn't translate it doesn't mean no one can. Quarterbacks given adequate experience translate just fine out of the spread.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

I listened to the kid on Redskins radio and liked what he had to say. I like the kid. I think he will do well.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=ptracy20;449318]Guys please remember one thing. Colt had a great season playing in a pass happy offense agianst sub par teams. In the bowl game agianst Georgia his first real test all year he looked awful. He is a career backup at best and never anything more.[/quote]

Are you seriously faulting a guy for his teams performance against a superior SEC team. There was only 1 other playmaker on that offensive unit. Everyone else was just a body lining up against the superior recruiting of Georgia. Oh you're right, I can see how that is Colt Brennan's fault.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=That Guy;449500]cooley wasn't a big school player (1260yrds receiving as a fullback (that never blocked)).
[B]
as far as successful QBs coming out of shotgun only offenses... ben roth up in pit only won a superbowl. is that example good enough?[/B][/quote]

Yeah, the "shotgun" argument isn't really valid. College offenses use the shotgun a lot more than in the pros, so it's very very common for QB's to have to adjust.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;449477]This doesn't bode well for Brennan....remember the last #5 we had....I'm just sayin'

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At least now anyone with a Shuler jersey rotting in their attic can get the name replaced and hope it's a jersey they can actually be seen in.

There won't be any shame as long as he's still on the bench...when he hits the field, that's when the embarrassment of being seen with his number on could begin. :)

Re: Colt Brennan
 

this kid will be a massive steal when the redskins release him in a few yrs time sine JC will become a pro bowl QB under zorn brennan will develop alot and we will either trade or release him in say 3 years time

Re: Colt Brennan
 

But who would want him if he's never taken a snap?

Sure he could be a quality backup in the right system, but having no experience will not make him valuable enough to be a "steal" for us.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

Right now Brennan is hurt and will have a tough time knocking of Campbell or Collins when he's 100%.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

First off, I am a Campbell fan and think he will excell in this new offence but I do like the CB pick.. Seriously whats not to like about this guy, the doubters about his arm are just wrong. Look at his highlights. The comparisions to Montana have some crediblity, Joe was criticized about his arm and came in to the west coast offence sat for 2 years and u know the rest. Im not saying we have the second comming here but hey we drafted the NCAAs all time leader in touchdowns with a 6th round pick. With that being said I reserve all judgement of him as should everyone until we see him in the preseason.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[QUOTE=Sheppdog;449948] The comparisions to Montana have some crediblity[/QUOTE]

[SIZE="4"]WHAT[/SIZE]? C'mon man. Don't compare CB to Joe.
Don't.