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[quote=SmootSmack;512798]See #2

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/370946-post1.html[/URL]

Every other post these days is about someone associated with the team, usually Vinny, being an idiot. I thought maybe the thread title for this should be a bit more specific[/quote]

Good call.

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[quote=Defensewins;512703]Vinny Cerratto reminds of George W. Bush. Nobody really loves the guy. We all tolerate him because he is in power. I wonder if he can dodge a shoe like W?[/quote]

At least Bush had a term limit.

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[quote=Drift Reality;512834]At least Bush had a term limit.[/quote]

LOL!
And Bush can dodge a high and fast smelly one.

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I honestly think it's sad there is nothing that can be done about a terrible owner. I wish there was some democratic system through which NFL owners could somehow be voted out of the league if they were deemed incompetent. I guess there would be too much turnover in the NFL for that to happen.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;512813][B]- Pat Sims - DT - Auburn - [/B]Looks like he's having a productive season for Bengals in all honesty it looks like he would have been a good fit here
- [B]Ray Rice - RB - Rutgers - [/B]Honestly would have rather gotten Kelly.

So in retrospect, knowing how the draft turned out and looking at how this season turned out I think our ideal draft should have been as follows.

[B]48th - Pat Sims - DT - Auburn - [/B]We get the big guy up the middle to help create a push and take pressure off our DE's.
[/quote]
Didn't someone draft Sims for us in the Warpath Mock Draft :)

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[quote=redsk1;512707]I'm no VC fan, but i was thinking the same thing. He's drafting on a combination of best overall and need. There was x amount of lineman he would have taken w/ the 21st pick. They were gone and he felt like the DE's at that level were not worth it. So we traded down. In the 2nd round, he felt like the WR's on the board served talent and a need. So, i see what's he doing.

I guess he felt no other lineman was worth one 2nd and he could get his guy (Rhinehart in the 3rd).[/quote]
Your common sense and rational approach has no place here!!!

Great post, best post in the thread. Agree 100%

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[quote=GoSkins!;512696]At least he is good at drafting safeties.
Taylor
Landry
Horton
Doughty

no real busts there... or could that be coaching????[/quote]

First Joe Gibbs drafted Sean Taylor and Landry,.........????

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[quote=DarkKnight;512846]First Joe Gibbs drafted Sean Taylor and Landry,.........????[/quote]

Thats right and Kellen Winslow was crying because he wanted to be here.

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[quote=Defensewins;512836]LOL!
And Bush can dodge a high and fast smelly one.[/quote]

Sooo, your trying to say he can't catch leather either? lol.

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Since every other team was raiding our practice squad why can't we simply raid other teams practice squad and fill these needs? unless it all boils down to CAP reasons?

I know some will say they are on the practice squad for a reason. but I'm talking about looking at teams that have an over abundance of talent at O-line or D-line. ie; Bucs for D-line and Eagles for O-line. Perhaps looking at other teams for these same positions.

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I STILL like this 2008 draft even though so many "fans" want to bitch and whine about it come week 14 . I actually think it is funny in a way how Vinny calls out the "fans" by saying if we selected a DE like Merling or Campbell ad they had the same production here as they had in their teams, then I can imagine the response ...

[Quote random guy] I cannot believe we took this bum Merling at 21 ! He hasn't started more than 2 games . Vinny is an idiot especially when you think the Falcons were dangling three (3!) second round picks for our 21 - we could have seriously upgraded our WRs which must be the worst in the league , I meen we could have got Devin Thomas and someone like Malcom Kelly with those picks .. I meen this is the WCO we NEED big receivers and who have we got a Giants PS reject and McNobody..Vinny has to go Snyder is to blame ...etc etc [/Quote Random guy]

Now given the fact that no one in our FO can see into the future you have to go off how the players play in collage . It is so much easier to guess who is going to be good 14 weeks into a season rather than on draft day ...

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;512731]You say Vinnie is so stupid that nobody else in the NFL would hire him and then you conclude that he deserves two more years at the helm. Huh? I don't begin to understand your reasoning.

If he's too stupid to hold the position anywhere else, shouldn't your conclusion have been that he should be taken out of the job?[/quote]

Just for the sake of keeping things together. If a new GM comes in then he's going to blow the whole thing up... new coaches, new systems and so on. He's only had one off season by himself. As bad as this draft looks, we can't judge it after one year. We all need to be a little more patient.

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[quote=GMScud;512700]Isn't it friggin awesome that Jason Taylor - $8M a year and a 2nd round pick - has comparable stats to the two DE's that Vinny tries to dog with his made up stats?? :doh:[/quote]

Exactly what I was thinking. Holy shit Cerrato is more incompetent than I previously thought - obviously he was thinking ahead of time about the draft possibilities skins fans discussed in Merling and Campbell and yet he doesn't even take the time to look up the f'ing stats before he tries to throw them under the bus. This guy is a walking travesty.

I agree w/ so many of you that Cerrato deserves the boot way more than Zorn... but we all know it won't happen.

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[quote=WaldSkins;512824]I like how you give an example of how Vinny contradicted himself and then you bad mouth him, which leads you to say that he should be given two more years. If he is "really really stupid" why would you want him here for two more years.?????[/quote]

More than anything I just think we need to keep things together around here. New GM means new coaches.

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I have a question for all the FO bashers and I know betters... .

In this upcoming draft would you take a second or third round talent with our first round pick simply because it is a OL or DL? i.e. a possition of need . Would you pick up someone who might go undrafted in the third round ?

We have been down this drafting for need under Gibbs and yes it worked out in some cases (Sean Taylor) but there are instances where we could get more value by taking the BPA . That when we lock onto someone ( like Roky McIntosh, Jason Campbell) and overpay to get him rather than take the best player/deal available when we pick, or we get cornered into drafting a particular possition (i.e. CB Carlos Rogers) because of what happens in FA when there is more talent available elsewhere .

I really think we forget how bad the Skins were between 93-97 ... so bad indeed when Reggie White left the Eagles he went round every other team except the Redskins because he was looking for a "playoff contender"

So bad that when we got a bucket of picks for Ricky Williams from the siants we came away with Jon Jansen and Champ Bailey ... thats it ..

We also traded 1,2,3rd round pick for Brad Johnson in 1999, the year we also let that bum Trent Green go via free agency...

And remember although 1999 was the year Snyder bought the team but most of FA and the draft was run by the Cook Estate .

Also in the 90s we drafted such memorable players like : Andre Johnson (1st round) Skip Hicks ( a good situational player but 2nd round pick?) Heath Shuler, Stephen Alexander ( never lived upto his hype), Micheal Westbrook and a bunch of no bodies even the most ardient of Skins fans would struggle to have heard of ...