I would love to see brunell tear it up against the giants. But honestly even if he throws for 400 yards and 5 td's im gonna wish ramsey was in.

I disagree about putting in Ramsey when the team isn't playing well yet, especially the o line. We did that last year with Spurrier, and he looked shell-shocked. Sometimes it makes more sense to bring a guy along slowly and put him in in situations where the rest of the offense can really carry him. That's not the deal yet. I think he should (and will) get meanignful time this year (bet Brunnel won't stay healthy), but I think it may make sense to bring him along a little slower, given the way he's looked lately.

As for Brunnel, he's shown flashes. I think the whole offense isn't clicking, not just Brunnel (though he's a big part of it). Portis needs to dominate. That has not happened. I say give it till the bye week before we start in on the changes. I know it sucks to lose, but instability and inconsistency has been the way it's been done for the last 5 years. Let's hold the line a bit here. TRUST GIBBS. He wants to win more than you, believe it or not.

[QUOTE=smootsmack]I think we should probably consider that Gibbs anticipated a possible slow start and saw that it would take time to get the players to understand and succesfully execute the plays on a consistent basis. As a veteran QB, I think Brunell is better suited to lead the team right now. While this team is struggling I don't see the benefit of putting Ramsey in there to take more beatings.

I see it as Brunell laying the foundation for Ramsey. In a year or so Ramsey will step into a polished offense.

I think Ramsey has a very bright future, but I don't think he would be a better choice than Brunell right now. I don't think Brunell is the one costing us the games[/QUOTE]

Consider this. Brunell was sacked five times on Monday night. No sacks on Sunday. No turnovers since the Giants game. 322 total yds in offense against the Giants, 325 yds in offense against Dallas. 287 yds against the Browns.

Smoot, Gibbs did anticipate that the offense was going to struggle from the jump. But it is the offense as a whole that is struggling. If Brunell was still turning the ball over and fumbling I could understand the sentiment. But Brunell isn't hurting this team. He's progressing as the team progresses.

Agreed!
 

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan] Ramsey's short passing game blows and Brunell's deep ball blows. Right now, I'd go with Ramsey.

I was against getting Brunell to begin with (due to dead cap space concerns) but giving up a high second rounder for him when Kerry Collins and others were on the market was insane.

That 2nd rounder would have helped us out nicely.

Brunell just doesn't cut it and anyone who thinks he does hasn't been watching out scoreboard lately.[/QUOTE]

It was a big stretch for both Brunell and Portis! I definitely disagreed with the Brunell trade, and I was 50/50 for the Portis deal. But I knew Champ wasn't comming back, so we got value for value. With Brunell we have a nearly dead arm, and equally as important, dead cap space!

I would have preferred HOF Coach Gibbs come in and do better with the same material OBC could not. Instead, HOF Coach Gibbs has gone with his heart! Getting Brunell, calling all of the uneeded TOs, and throwing the red flags! Wrong moves in the wrong place at the wrong time!

[QUOTE=SUNRA]Consider this. Brunell was sacked five times on Monday night. No sacks on Sunday. No turnovers since the Giants game. 322 total yds in offense against the Giants, 325 yds in offense against Dallas. 287 yds against the Browns.

Smoot, Gibbs did anticipate that the offense was going to struggle from the jump. But it is the offense as a whole that is struggling. If Brunell was still turning the ball over and fumbling I could understand the sentiment. But Brunell isn't hurting this team. He's progressing as the team progresses.[/QUOTE]

Well then, I guess we agree. Right?